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I did this for the 50th anniversary of MSG
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23 minutes ago, Strider said:
Yes, Jimmy is playing everything. It's a demo of the song he recorded at home while working on songs for the fifth album. That is why he was able to just put it out on his YouTube page. Because it is only Jimmy playing on the demo he didn't have to go through the red tape of getting permission from Plant, Jones, and the Bonham estate. The power of the veto is most likely the #1 reason keeping us from getting any archival live releases.
Thanks! Makes perfect sense.
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I have hoped for a long time that Jason would make some videos showing some of his dad's gear which I'm sure has been in the family. I know some things have been auctioned off over the years, but how cool would it be if he would just showcase some of his dad's drums, cymbals?? Whatever? There are several prominent online drum channels that I'm sure would be very interested in a showcase like that.
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I must have listened to this a dozen times yesterday. I was so inspired that I immediately ran and made a play along video. I assume that's Jimmy playing the mellotron strings and flutes?
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My interview with Ron Nevison about recording Physical Graffiti
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Levee , with a little twist ... 🎻
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On 6/15/2021 at 3:03 PM, Drum Boogie said:
How can you title a book about the great John Bonham "BEAST"??? From what I understand, "The Beast" was what others would call Bonzo in a negative, derogatory way...referring to his bad behavior at times. None of his friends nor family called John Bonham "Beast." Why the f*ck would a John Bonham biographer call his book that??
Exactly, tasteless disrespectful shite title.
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37 minutes ago, AussieOzzieZeppfan said:
Sadly after reading it it doesn't .....
Yeah, that's what I've heard from several people. I also understand it has many errors, about his gear, etc. 😒
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11 hours ago, Christopher Lees said:
I think Page's peak was 73, Europe and the end of July, but a close second is 1971. On another day, I might have said 1971 was his peak, especially the Japan tour. I agree with those who said he started playing sloppy in 1975 and beyond. I noticed this right away, as soon as I started listening to my first 75 boots way back in the day. I was disturbed by his slop. He was this towering figure in my life, the ultimate guitar hero, my musical idol, and I was suddenly faced with the reality that Jimmy was human, all too human, when I listened to his playing in 75 and beyond. In fact, it wasn't until many years later when I started picking up lots of boots from 75 (because of the internet), that I finally came across a few shows that showed me Jimmy still had the spark of genius in him.
I was so happy to hear his playing on 2-14-75, and I had the version from TDOLZ, which was a nice audience version. Then I heard the show from March 27, 1975 and was blown away by the NQ. It was great to see these flashes of greatness return here and there. But in 1973, Jimmy played at an inspired level almost every show, with just a few exceptions. His playing was fresh, inventive, aggressive, sharp, articulate and fast. He was very energetic. Same can be said for 69-72. In 1975, I found him drifting and repeating some used up boring licks over and over again. I found him incoherent at times, like he forgot what he was playing and had to reorient himself on stage in the moment. I do not see it as Jimmy "exploring" and being "inventive". I can tell the difference.
There's simply a level of slop that crept into his playing after 73.
To me, it sounds like he stopped practicing. He probably wasn't as hungry as he was in 69-73, when he had something to prove. He was always on tour and always recording. That keeps the rust off. After an 18 month break from 73 to 75, he sounds like he came back really rusty and slowly got back in shape, somewhat, during the tour. When you stop playing for a while, you lose your vocabulary and your technique both, and that's what Jimmy sounded like to me. There are a number of notable exceptions in 75, but in general, I think he was consistently less great than in 73.
Not to mention, if he was getting drunk then forget it. The fingers do not behave. And once the heroin became a problem, well, then there's no time at all for discipline and practice. A top musician is like a top athlete: they must train and train hard to maintain their top form.💯
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New PFoZ vid premieres this Sat May 15 at 1pm CDT.
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17 hours ago, hummingbird69 said:
I didn't get past his second hot take on live zep. If you do not understand that listening from home is far different experience than being there then he shouldn't be pontificating on the merits of a drum solo that not only functioned as a showcase for Bonzo, but as a break for the rest of the band. Dazed too long? Not in my book. With Dazed you got your moneys worth right there. I know people complain its so long but if you don't have the attention span to listen to a 30 min dazed then how do you make it through a 30 min sitcom?
If you ask the people who were there they will tell you they were blown away and that's all that counts, no amount of armchair quarterbacking can diminish the Greatness of Led Zeppelin live.
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7 hours ago, Strider said:
The only earlier gong auction I found was back in 2009, when a Bonham gong sold for US $ 64,660…which is £ 45, 772.49. So a bit less than this latest sale.
Sorry I guess I was way off on that one. I was going based on memory from years ago.
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9 hours ago, Strider said:
According to the Bonhams website, the gong sold for £ 52,750 (US$ 73,276) inc. premium.
Yeah, I dipped in up to £25,000, but that was really wishful thinking. 😞
If it sold for £52,000 incl the premium, that's actually not as much as I thought it would fetch. The premium is like 20% or more, and then there's VAT, I believe. I think the last gong of his which was much smaller sold for a lot more.
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Time for a Dave Grohl thread?
Anyway, I am hopeful that someday Bonzo's family, i.e. Pat, Deb, Jason , will be willing to talk about him. Especially Jason, regarding his dad's gear, even if it's just for a Drum nerd magazine. I know there are people who would love to conduct some interviews, but Jason seems a bit cagey and protective of his dad's legacy, which is understandable. Still I think it would be of immense value to the legions of fans, drummers especially, since Bonzo is arguably the most famous and influential drummer in Rock, (maybe ever). Like recollections of the music he liked, his influences, his gear, (what happened to all that gear?). I find it odd that Jason has never played one of his dad's kits publicly (that I know of), or even showcased it in a video... or even just a snare. Fans would go nuts over seeing his kids played by Jason. Maybe he views that as sacrilege. 🤔
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I hope it has some substance, especially regarding Bonzo's musical interests, and isn't heavily relying on sordid road tales. The title isn't promising in that regard. Apparently the publisher is calling it the first biography of John Bonham....Hachette books either isn't aware of, or ignored Thunder of Drums. 😒
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Funny I just heard the Mars section of the Planets this afternoon on classical radio. It made me think how Holst really captured the drama and intensity of war. The scene at the beginning of Gladiator when the Romans square off against the Barbarians uses Mars to great effect.
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Previous link is bad. This one is active. Our arrangement of Four Sticks with a little twist.
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28 minutes ago, Strider said:
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On 3/12/2021 at 4:20 PM, jsj said:
In forty years of reading about Zeppelin I’ve never once heard any such notion. If someone in Tull had have played a recorder on the recording I think they’d have revealed all long ago. It didn’t happen.
Never ever heard this tale before either. What is possible is Jones and Anderson might have spoken about recorders, and Jones had the idea. Jones himself said he had recorders and he wanted to use them, but at first Jimmy wasn't keen. Also, it was not Abbey Road....it was Island Studios. Here is a very excellent analysis of Jones Recorder arrangement.
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This is such an important find. Hearing SIBLY from this show is just mind blowing...a superb rendition. Jimmy's on fire throughout this show , especially Heartbreaker, Black Dog , SIBLY and Dazed. Thanks so much to all involved in bringing this source to light. 👍🏻👏🏼
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Thanks, Sam!