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About JohnOsbourne

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  1. The '71 Hampton and 9-29-71 Osaka Immigrant Songs are monsters and let you know right away the band's on another level those nights. Rock and Roll from 3-12-75 Long Beach also falls in that category. To a lesser extent, RnR from the 7-11-73 Milwaukee show and the two available NY 73 nights, although in general the '73 versions don't necessarily indicate how epic the show will or won't be.
  2. Completely agree. I really need to have my "bootleg ears" on to listen to this show (even then it's a challenge), but it's clearly excellent (superb NQ in particular), would love to have a soundboard of this one.
  3. Contrary to the OP's opinion, I quite liked Ross the Boss-era Manowar. (Well, OK, they were still pretty dumb, but whatever.)
  4. Probably not Styx or Journey clones, but they definitely would have reflected that milieu. They probably wouldn't have been much different from Plant's solo work, perhaps a few more rockers had Jimmy managed to get clean.
  5. Actually I tend to compare Presence and Technical Ecstasy; both albums have a very negative vibe, reflecting the state of the bands at the time, and are both generally underappreciated and/or unfairly maligned. (Unlike Presence, Technical Ecstasy does have a few clunkers, so not surprising it's often dismissed.) Similarly, Never Say Die, like ITTOD, is crap for the most part.
  6. Presence is a truly great album, and certainly the end of an era. ITTOD is awful, I just cannot abide the change of style. (Yes, I know it incorporates elements that had always been in Zep's music, but it signaled a change of direction for the 80's, and not for the better IMO.)
  7. Great pics. FWIW the following night's show in Montreal is excellent, seems to escape notice.
  8. Fair point, definitely plausible. They're definitely going to squeeze this lemon dry. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
  9. Mid-July? Where'd you hear that?
  10. I like the outfit from the Seattle-Vancouver shows in '73.
  11. Agreed, very nice cover version.
  12. Well, your exact statement was "Taking other artists songs and claiming them as their own is the extent of how they changed music." Claiming someone else's work as your own is the definition of plagiarism, no? And plagiarism is usually cause for dismissal, I'd say. At any rate, I don't disagree with you that their impact on popular music *as a whole* was not as revolutionary as the Beatles. It is true that hard rock existed before Zep (e.g. the great Cream is underappreciated here), but as others have already noted in this thread, hard rock after Zep was very different, and other pioneers in the genre (Sabbath, Purple) acknowledge Zeppelin's trail-blazing here. I'd say their influence on the sub-genre of metal/hard rock (say what you want about it, it is not simply a minor or niche market) IS revolutionary.
  13. It is true their popular impact was not nearly as revolutionary as The Beatles (or Elvis). Although, they were probably the first band to inspire an almost communal following in their fans (admittedly, not necessarily a good thing, and it could be a particularly American manifestation, not sure how fervent European Zep fans are). However, it seems pretty extreme (not to mention petty) to dismiss their musical impact as amounting to plagiarism. Or are you simply claiming that subsequent musicians are not completely forthright in acknowledging their influences due to Zeppelin's precedent? If so, who cares?
  14. Good points. Even the other two contemporary bands who, with Zeppelin, can be considered the founders of heavy metal - Sabbath and Purple - explicitly acknowledge Zeppelin's influence in framing their sound.