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  1. Yes, a very poignant episode and very well acted as well.
  2. Too bad Henry Hill is deceased as he was an associate of the Lucchese Family and operated during this very period. I bet he would have had a bit of insight. Now regarding Oakland, what a tragedy. I remember in the late 70's with Creem always on with the black magic and bad karma shit regarding Zeppelin. I distinctly remember after Plant's son Karac died them running a story about a combination of Page's occult practices and the bad karma from the Oakland incident as the likely cause for Karac's death. Some sort of karmic retribution. Even as a kid reading that I was outraged and thought this went beyond bad taste, to start laying blame for the death of a child like that. I don't know who the editor of Creem was in 1977 - 1980 was when all these crazy stories started coming out but the guy was a real asshole to allow such trash. I stopped buying Creem after that. As bad as RS was at least they were not throwing around Weekly World News or National Enquirer level bullshit around. That being said I recently heard a few songs from both Oakland gig's and both were pretty good, especially the 24th as Strider pointed out. I really liked the 24th show and if things would have worked out the remaining dates would have likely been on par with the NY & LA runs. Regarding the make up Chicago gig as an all request show...I highly doubt that one. Just imagine some punter yelling out for Johnny Paycheck's I was the only Hell My Momma ever Raised, or Paper Lace The Night Chicago Died. Now THAT would be a concert to remember! Even if they stuck to only Zeppelin material I wonder what they would do if someone requested In the Light or an old chestnut like As Long As I Have You????
  3. Yes, this makes sense. I completely forgot it was a cash business until, roughly, the mid to late 70's.
  4. You are a fortunate man Steve, good for you. I hope you have a great time on your vacation. Stay safe and have fun.
  5. I understand what you are saying however all of those duties generally fall to the tour manager. If Grant was doing double duty as both manager AND tour manager, what was the need for Cole? Was Cole in essence not the road manager but actually a combination of "Director of Entertainment" for the band as well as head of security? Another important question I wish to ask which again circles back to Mr. Weiss. What many people are not aware of is the mobs control over segments of the record industry but, more importantly in regard to performing, the venues, promotors, and all the union workers which ran those concert halls. This more than any other reason is why bands were exploited to such a degree before Grant came along, after all, who is gonna screw with the mob? This again brings me back to Weiss. If Weiss indeed had mob contacts which has been suggested, I believe this more than anything else would have aided Grant in changing the industry. Grant my have been a savvy, tough guy but the mob would have had him for breakfast with little effort if he caused them problems. However if Weiss was behind the scenes, making payoffs, or what they used to call a "skim" back in the day, everything begins to make much more sense. If Weiss had the mob connections and Grant could use this, it would have made his job much easier indeed. Most know that both Grant & Cole had connections to the London & Essex Firms, after all, the Bindon boys worked for both the Richardson & Kray Firms. However, I doubt either one would have had any connections to the American mob which ran and controlled all of those concert halls and venues. I guess the combination of Grant and Weiss is what actually changed the industry, at least that is what makes the most sense. Thanks for that link BTW, I never knew Grant suffered from serious back issues and later Diabetes and other illnesses. That would surely explain the drug use, at least insofar as pain management is concerned. Again, not minimizing Grants contribution in any way, I am just very curious about what exactly Weiss did and if he did indeed have mob connections which aided in Grant's success.
  6. I guess you missed my comment referring to his actions from 68' - 71' being the exception for the above stated reasons. Grant had established all of this and more for Zeppelin by 71'. My concern was for post 71' and especially post 74' in particular. After the 73' NA tour, Zeppelin had cemented their place and legacy in R&R history, no one, and I mean no one was going to mess with Zeppelin after this point with the dealings and reputation of Grant, Cole, and Weiss after 1973 in particular. So again, once all of this had been secured, did Grant go on the road with the band instead of taking care of business in London as a manager is supposed to do? Or let me re-phrase since Mook pointed out the exact reason Grant went on the road with the band: Why didn't anyone ask the obvious question why the manager is on the road with the band when they employ a road manager for that job, and, if the manager is on the road with the band, who exactly is back minding the store so to speak?
  7. One of the things about Zeppelin which always baffled me was Peter Grants position in the band. Was he their manager? Their road manager? Now of course it is on record that Grant was manager and Cole tour manager but the way it actually played out was weird. Typically, the groups manager does not actually tour with the band, hence the need for a road manager. The bands manager is typically too tied up with the financial aspect overall, promotion, glad handing, marketing, working with the record companies and tour sponsors, and getting the logistics down and organizing the tour. Once the band hits the road the tour manager takes over, making sure all of the managers instructors and organizations are carried out and ensuring the road crew does their jobs all while babysitting the band. I understand Grant wanting to be on the road with the band in the early days due his changing of the actual system, but from 70' or 71' on, he had much bigger fish to fry behind a desk. Also, if the actual manager is touring with the band, why pay a road manager? It seems a bit of a redundancy. I have talked to a few band managers in my time and no manager I talked to ever did this or structured things in such a way. Does anyone know why Grant kept going with the band on the road when he should have been taking care of business in London? Especially from 74' on. Once Swan Song was created Grant should have never went on the road as his obligations were to Swan Song and his new acts (this fact is brought up in countless Zep biographies). Of course it is well know that Grant's lack of attention to Swan Song doomed the label. I can understand wanting to have a bit of fun from time to time but at the end of the day you still need to do your job. A manager partying with the band on the road is not really doing their job IMO and looking at Grant's decision making and general behavior from 77' - 79' makes this glaringly obvious. Of course there will be people on this board defending Grant and saying things such as, "well, the tours went off fine for the most part so it looks like he was doing his job," or "what the hell do you know, you weren't there." These are both valid arguments to which I will reply even a broken clock is right twice a day and, as I have brought up before, it appears the real secret behind Zeppelin which allowed the machine to keep going with so much against it was Steve Weiss. I personally believe Weiss was the true support genius behind the band, especially in the later years. Thoughts???
  8. BTW, just to clarify, I was not suggesting the St. Paul show sucked or was sub-par. As you pointed out there is no recording so how would I know. I was only commenting about Grant's recollections in general. I am sure they could have played a spectacular show but with someone high on dope most of the time, who knows what they could have remembered. This is why I like to read Strider's recollections and the recollections of others who attended these gigs. People such as Strider, who were very young at the time and thus likely were not high as a kite nor mad as a hatter on god knows what, will have more concrete memories to pull from. Also, many such people had concert diaries and would write down in detail their experiences from the shows they attended for posterity. Then there is the fact that as a band employee (manager) he would likely have been busy with managerial duties as well and not just casually hanging about enjoying the show. Just watch TSRTS. Grant was busy hunting down pirate vendors while the boys were playing, not operating the sound boards. Which brings me to my next question...was there one particular person who was responsible for the mix at the show? Was he a Showco employee or a direct employee of the band? Does anyone know who this sound engineer was? Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth, if anyone would know which gigs were great it would be that guy. He would also likely know which gigs were taped, if the video feeds were recorded, etc. I ask...who is this mystery man?
  9. I thought you were in Tokyo? Visiting MO on vacation? Nugent is still a great player, I may not agree with his politics but no one can say Nugent is not one helluva monster on that Birdland of his. And his tone! Damn, one of the best tones in rock IMO.
  10. As far as currently active live players, my nod goes to Jeff Beck. IMO no one even comes close, however, that is only my opinion.
  11. I realize you are a bit dense but it is not a stretch to understand someone who is high most of the time is not going to have an accurate recollection of events. I never said either were unable to function, I said that due to their drug intake their memories are not exactly a reliable source.
  12. Sorry to say this but in regard to the 77' tour, anything either Jimmy or Peter said has pretty much zero weight with me. Both Grant and Page were in the depths of addiction on that tour and I am really not sure which one of the two was the worst off but they were both lucky to make it out alive from that tour. Grant thinking St. Paul is the best gig of 77' is like me saying I thought the first Hendrix gig in London was amazing. That is to say, neither one of us was present at either gig, me physically and Grant mentally.
  13. My hunch is one would look at the other, then look at their respective lawyers who would both be drooling over the litigation and gutted estates each would suffer. At that point both would shake hands and have a pint.
  14. You know what frustrates me about RP? The fact he is almost 69 years old and no longer looks and sings like the 25 year old Plant I grew up with. I mean...WTF???
  15. Um...I knew that...(walks away in shame with head down)