Of course because the US makes alliances with those who fit our purpose at the time but then become our enemies later. It was the US who placed Saddam Hussein & the Shah of Iran in power, it was the US who backed the Taliban back in the 80's & 90's when they were still called the Mujahadeen. Also, fun fact, if it were not for the economic support of US business interests of the Nazi's, and the US government who turned a blind eye at the time, the German economy would have completely collapsed by 1934 and WWII would have never happened. US foreign policy since day one has been amazingly shortsighted and as a result we keep stepping on our own dicks over and over again. That being said I do not give McCain a pass or any other politician regardless of affiliation for mistakes and / or misdeeds. I did not agree with 99% of McCain's positions, however he did spend 5 1/2 years as a POW and was respected by his peers. A person who dodges the draft does not have the right to pass judgment on another who did not, especially when the person dodged the draft not because they were a conscientious objector, but because he was an entitled little twat. Finally, if a person avoids the draft, for any reason, he or she should not be able to send troops into harms way for obvious reasons. You cannot say, "um, I will not fight but I have no problem sending others to do so." That's bullshit.

Whoops, wrong again Steve. When Obama took over the country had just spiraled into a depression akin to 1931, the difference being the centrist Obama continued with the republican bail out of the banks which stopped the depression and turned it into a massive downturn instead. Of course fixing something like that will take time and that is why by the end of his second term America had completely recovered. If Roosevelt had been a two term President he would have had the lowest GDP in American history but WWII changed that. The depression of 1893 under Cleveland and the Depression of 1920 -21 under Wilson / Harding were eased by the fact that we had a more true free market system whereby there was no to big to fail and thus the economy bounced back much faster. The Depression of 1931' - 40' (people think it began in 29' with the stock market crash but not completely true as the US did not truly enter a depression until 18 months later due to failed Coolidge policies) was more akin to 2008 in that it affected the greater financial market vs. speculative failures of earlier depressions and thus lasted longer. The fact is, what Obama and much of congress did saved the US from serious disaster. I did not agree with the bail out, however it was necessary along the lines of cutting off an arm to save the body. The problem is no corrective and preventative legislature of merit came out of it. As a result, we are currently heading toward a similar disaster akin to 2008 but due to different forces. Our current stock market is incredibly artificially inflated. If it were not for the stock buy backs the corporations are doing due to the tax cuts (no new jobs, wages stagnant or falling, and inflation rising faster than any time since the 1970's) the stock market would be around 15,000 - 16,000 right now adjusted. Now, add in the tariffs being imposed and all economic indicators show a major market correction by end of the third quarter or end of fourth quarter at the absolute latest. I would not be lauding my portfolio right now if I were you Steve, I would be liquidating as quickly as possible and shifting to Treasury notes as inflation is about to go through the roof, especially because of this trade war which we will lose. A quote from one of my favorite movies sums it up perfectly, "...it's all one big shit sandwich, and we all gotta take a bite."

Emasculated? Me? Surely you jest sir. Nature was kind enough to ensure I was very, very well endowed... with a healthy sense of self worth and service to my fellow human being. Nothing is more uplifting than knowing you are helping your fellow neighbors and making a difference. Ahoy matey! I believe the main sail has been hoisted!

I noticed something was weird between the two but did not notice the marks. As much as a John Wayne Gacy or a BTK are pure monsters, there is something extra creepy, extra menacing about a sociopathic teen. There were a lot, and I mean a LOT of references to The Bad Seed in the last episode. From the attempted poisoning, to the dialogue, etc. So, anyone watching Mindhunter yet???

Who me? Well, since you mention it, I believe I can respect a man on the one hand for his later in life integrity and the fact he spent 5 & 1/2 in a POW camp. Plus, disagree with much of his policy issues and his blatant opportunism earlier in his career. A man can be more than one thing you know. Kinda like how I admire what Barack Obama is, what he did, and what he accomplished yet still be pissed off at him because he was way too much of a centrist, did not abolish the Patriot Act, and intensified the drone program. The problem with Trump is I have found a person with zero redeeming qualities, a feat I believed impossible until now. Truthfully, you can name any President from American history and I point out several good things they did even though they were bad Presidents. Even Andrew Johnson stood against the Radical Republicans during reconstruction and was part of the buying of Alaska. All our Stable Genius has done is reduce the office of the President to a cartoon, a laughing stock twittering away like some cranked up clown at 3am. The man is a walking Kurt Vonnegut novel.

As soon as she said she was Persephone I knew she was the killer, and then her little speech about how though Hades may have been the one in charge, it was Persephone who meted out punishment in the underworld. She is one cold child. Shhhhhh...don't tell momma.

Have you people lost your collective minds? This whole video is stupid. There were no POW's left in Vietnam after 1973, there was never any proof because why would the Vietnamese keep the 2,646 Americans missing in action? The majority of that number constitutes soldiers that were blown up or shot up to such a degree their remains could not be identified, soldiers left behind on the battlefield and later killed, and of course, believe it or not, soldiers who just said fuck it and left Vietnam, living under a new name. If there were any left over there they would have simply killed them and be done with in by 75'. Stupid ass video. That is not what is being argued, this is very simple to understand. McCain still served in combat, was shot down, and lived in a POW camp for 5 & 1/2 years. He refused early release and waited until everyone else was released before going home. Whether he was tortured or not, given preferential treatment or not, he was still shot down and rotted in a POW camp for 5 &1/2 years. He was not out chasing beaver for 5 &1/2 years having a good ol' time partying and evicting minorities from buildings he owned while having daddy keep his ass out of the military. Nope, he still put his ass on the line. Something our current President has NEVER done. Trump is the poster child for the philosophy of Looking Out for Number One. Pathetic RIP Commander McCain, I may not have always agreed with your position, but I came to respect you for you integrity later in life. McCain is a model life for the work in progress, and I believe the last 20 years of his life he had indeed become a good man.

That is a pretty sad attempt at a rebuttal, actually, it was not a rebuttal but a bait and switch, and a poor one at that. Sad.

The man was not perfect, he would be the first one to admit such himself, but by the last 20 years of his life his integrity could not be questioned. I also am in the camp of "silent service" that is, if you serve that is your choice and you do not use that service to benefit yourself. However, I would take hearing about McCain's torture in an NVA POW camp over Cadet Bone Spurs (Trump) stating on record that avoiding STD's was his own personal Vietnam while is jackass father pulled strings to get him 4 deferments from service. Seriously, you have to be a SERIOUS asshole to dodge the draft, chase pussy, and stay cosy knowing daddy's connections will keep you safe... and then 50 years later talk shit about a POW. I really would be hard pressed to find a better example of how low and disgusting a person could be, captured on video as well.

What an absurd and ridiculous post

If you are such a winner, why bother to explain? Every winner I know never needs to explain that he / she is a winner. Bonnie & Clyde were boys being boys, girls being girls? So murder and theft are normal behaviors now? Talk about a Steve-O flip flop. Seems the Steve-O protesteth too much

Anything by the Ohio Players

Per your own words: "No mental illness with this man, just massive balls. This guy knew what he was doing, and was so sick of the profound bullshit associated with being a man in our society that for 90 minutes he took his life into his own hands. Answering to nobody." Sounds like if you admired the guy any more you would have asked him on a date had he lived. Then there is the fabricated social constructs of social constructs, "the profound bullshit associated with being a man in our society." Talk about a load of absolute shit! Awww, whats wrong, are poor white men sad because they no longer hold absolute power over women and minorities? Awwwww, boo hoo. Suck it up buttercup. I guess getting along on personality and talent alone is not cutting it. Oh well. The very fact of your above quote pretty much proves white privilege, because if it was simply a construct, why so butthurt over equality? BTW, Bonnie & Clyde were sociopathic twats, I don't see why anyone with half a brain would romanticize those two losers.

So let me get this straight, when a black guy steals a pair of $120 Nike's he is a thug, but when some white guy steals a 10 million dollar plane and endangers the lives of others (you know there were humans on the ground below him right?), he is a hero? I heard of white privilege but DAMN!

By god man you are correct! I looked at that picture and not a single punter is in uniform, proof positive of your statement. Wow, I sure feel like a fool now. My friend was stationed in Germany at Boeblingen outside Stuttgart 79' - 82' (which is the same base I would be at six years later). He was quite the traveller and went all over Europe whenever he had leave. The late 70's and well into the 80's were a tough time for terrorism in West Germany, the Red Army Faction and Rz were particularly nasty. By the time I got there in 88' things had calmed down to a degree compared to the early 80's but the groups were still active, just not as much. I really loved my time in Germany and Europe in general.

Thanks for the geography lesson, BTW, how far is it from London to Bruges? I hear that Bruges is a very calm place.

Season 6 is Roanoke and is filmed as some sort of reality show BS. It really sucked, reminded me of Blair Witch Project 2. Season 7 is called Cult and for some harebrained reason is all about the 2016 election and Trump in particular. Everyone on this board knows how I feel about this issue but come on, did they really have to go there? Now to be fair I have not seen it so it may surprise me however I doubt it. The new Season 8 is called Apocalypse and is a crossover of seasons 1 & 3 and sounds like it will be a return to form and the best season since Hotel (Season 5). Yes, Lily Rabe as a great actress and very pleasant on the eyes. I would love to take her out for a lovely dinner.

So far my favorites are seasons 2 (Asylum), 3 (Coven), and 5 (Hotel). Season 6 was utter rubbish IMO. Have yet to see season 7 however I have read the synopsis and it sounds boring. Thoughts?

Just watched the season finale to Mindhunter on Netflix and they used In the Light quite liberally during the end of the episode...almost the whole song. The scenes they use the song for fit perfectly. This is a great series BTW as it is about the founding of the FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit during the late 70's. The interviews in the series with serial killers are the actual interviews of the real serial killers but read by actors. This is a regular series, not one of those docu-dramas. Very good show

You do realize Rotterdam is not in Germany, nor is it near any US bases. As only four dates of the European tour were outside of Germany (Brussels, Rotterdam, Zurich, & Vienna) it would make sense those dates would have a greater native population. You know, I have no idea why you are getting so worked up over this, I was simply stating what a very reliable friend had told me. Plus, I have known other US servicemen who also attended some of the German gigs and they pretty much said the same thing. But hey, if it calms you down then fine, they are all completely wrong, delusional even and you who admittedly attended only the Rotterdam date are the ultimate source of factual information for tour dates you never attended. You mentioned Dave Lewis, so, how about you post a quote from him regarding the make up of the German audiences as I am sure he would know. Or, have him post here to confirm either way since you are such good friends. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong and will gladly do so. In the time being though, in an effort not to bruise your delicate ego, I defer to your expert opinion on this matter...having attended a single show and all.

So, my friend who was at both shows is somehow wrong but you are correct? Did you attend either the Frankfurt or Munich shows? Did you attend any of the shows?

Yep, massive balls that went right through his skull and became a permanent part of the earth. The winner of this years Darwin Award. Well played sir, well played

I hate to say this but it is likely because it was a European tour at a time when no one in Europe gave a shit about Zeppelin, the Who, the Stones, or any of the "old guard" bands. The Stones did not embark on a tour of Europe until 82' after punk had all but died over there. But 1980...hell no. The European music scene was completely different from the US scene at the time. I venture the US leg of the tour would have been covered extensively and possibly a show or two multi-tracked. As it was when tickets were announced for the American dates they either immediately sold out (dates which tickets were sold) or would have due to insane demand. Zep could have easily played the mega-arenas if they wanted to on the US 80-81' tour but in Europe they couldn't even get arrested if they wanted to. The fact is, the majority of the audience at those European dates were American servicemen. I have a friend who attended both the Frankfurt and Munich gigs and he supported this fact. He said the shows were pretty much USO shows in all but name only, that's how much of the audience were US soldiers.

Another great movie. You would think getting that many top flight actors together it would turn into a shit show as such ensemble casts typically do. Not this movie, everyone is spot on. In particular, Jack Lemmon gives one of, if not the greatest performance of his career. That and Day's of Wine & Roses are my two favorite Lemmon performances. Honorable mention to China Syndrome of course.