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  1. Exactly. And remember, the sound coming from the soundboard was a direct feed, with no speakers involved. Think about that. If you have ever listened to a bass-heavy album on computer speakers vs a proper home stereo setup, you know what I mean. The band was running an absolutely massive sound system in 1977 (check the preshow pics from Seattle 1977). All of those large speakers and subwoofers are what hit the audience. So, that "thin" Alembic bass and Bonham's kick drum on the soundboard sounded MUCH different when they got pushed through those speakers.
  2. I don't think anybody really knows the answer to this, besides those who truly are in the know. We can listen to these recordings as much as we want, and make deductions based on cuts, or certain qualities of the recording, but the reality is that there are about a dozen things that can affect how a soundboard recording will sound, most of which have to do with the sound rig itself. The band's sound changed every single tour, so naturally the soundboards will sound different as well, regardless of the media that was used. The interesting thing here is that the Cleveland 1977 soundboard is a one-off, made by a venue member who plugged in his own cassette deck to the board, via a patch provided to him by the soundcrew. Yet, put Cleveland side by side with the 1977 soundboards from New York, Landover, or Fort Worth, and there really isn't that much difference. The Cleveland recording we all know so well doesn't sound worlds different from those other soundboards from the 77 tour, and yet those other boards were presumably made using the soundcrew's own professional equipment. Which says to me that the recordings we are hearing have less to do with the media recorded to (cassette vs reel to reel) as they do with the actual feed coming from the board. There are dozens of variables that are involved. Microphones, preamps, compressors, limiters, effects, the board itself. Just give a listen to a modern soundboard from a band like Pearl Jam or from any number of bands who have allowed soundboard patches. A lot of these recordings sound "flat" or compressed, while others sound nice and open. And yet these are all being made in high resolution digital with very nice equipment. So, again, it's not the media being recorded to, it's the larger rig that matters most. Keep in mind, the priority for the soundcrew was to run a sound rig that was as good as it could possibly be for the crowd listening to it at the concert. The soundboard recording wasn't a priority for any other reason than to make the band's own reference copies. If they cared about documenting the shows in "best" quality, they would've lugged around a multitrack to every show, which we know that they didn't do.
  3. Yep. It's out there complete (minus a few cuts), and it was also put on the TCOLZ bootleg Long Drive to Seattle.
  4. Since we're talking about multiple shows from the 77 Forum run, I'd recommend the following: 6/21/77 - Winston Remasters 6/22/77 - Four source lowgen mix 6/23/77 - Winston Remasters (the vinyl version is good too, but I prefer the Millard tape version) 6/25/77 - Winston Remasters 6/26/77 - Dadgad version 6/27/77 - Winston Remasters or Dadgad Remasters (I haven't listened to this in a long time, I remember liking both)
  5. Check out the alternate source. More atmosphere and crowd, better dynamics. It's just a little rougher around the edges, but I like it.
  6. Yes. The West Palm Beach show on March 8 was cancelled. Check the events section in the timeline on the official zep site. There is a copy of the letter regarding the cancelled show.
  7. I really don't think so. Conspiracy Theory came out just as the internet communities really started getting serious about documenting the official live history of shows and tapes, so it really was one of those rare shows that slipped through the cracks. Kind of like how the Dallas shows were thought to take place on different dates, or that there was a second date in Pittsburgh. Online tour itineraries were still full of errors about a lot of shows. There are still rumors about extra/cancelled shows in the itineraries from most years. I think the past 5-10 years has seen a ton of cleanup in that regard, with fans having checked posters, advertisements, and gone to libraries or online newspaper archives to confirm/disprove individual concert dates. Lots of cool websites up now too. Royal-orleans, ledzeppelin-reference, theyearofledzeppelin, the official site. It wasn't long after Conspiracy Theory came out that ticket stubs and newspaper articles were found. The only other show that has been rumored was from Austin 1975, but that show was disproven by lack of ticket stubs, lack of newspaper articles, no posters, and even a testimonial from a fan who was at University of Austin at the time who confirms that no such concert could've happened in Texas without him knowing about it.
  8. Apparently, he doesn't know either.
  9. So which 1975 show would fit with the title and hype? Rotterdam 1/11/75 - First show of 1975, with the debut of PG songs. No circulating sources. Minneapolis 1/18/75 - First show of US tour. No circulating sources. Chicago 1/21/75 - First show with How Many More Times. Incomplete audience source. Pittsburgh 2/1/75 - No circulating sources. New York 2/3/75 - First show with Dazed and Confused. Audience source. Uniondale 2/4/75 - Incomplete audience source. Houston 2/27/75 - No circulating sources. Long Beach 3/12/75 - One of the best shows of the tour. Multiple audience sources. Seattle 3/21/75 - Another top show of the tour, with the most encores, and also has that episode regarding the stolen guitar. Multiple audience sources. LA 3/24, 3/25, 3/27 - 3/27/75 has the longest ever Dazed and Confused. All three shows have audience sources.
  10. Yep. The recent soundboard for Fort Worth 75 was titled "Rock Super Stars", which I thought was an otherwise random title, until I noticed that it was a reference to the headline of the newspaper article previewing the show. Maybe "Deus Ex Machina" is listed somewhere in an article for one of the shows from 1975-1977?
  11. If it's a 1977 show, I'd hope for the Badgeholders gig. Fits with the Deus Ex Machina bit with Keith Moon showing up later in the show. If it's a 1975 show, maybe the Chicago show when they first started playing How Many More Times as a substitute for Dazed and Confused?
  12. The Cobra source is great too. That's the stereo one with the girl saying "Robert Plant get over here" before Whole Lotta Love or one of the encores I think.
  13. Yeah, I've never seen/heard of a real lowgen for the Dub/Blimp/TMOQ source, which is why that Empress Valley bootleg was such a surprise, since they obviously got ahold of a copy that only they have access to. Those Neutral Zone CDs were copied so many times by other bootleg labels that it doesn't surprise me that eventually some tape copies were getting traded as lowgens.
  14. Thanks for posting the info. Had forgotten who was involved in those remasters. The version you guys did of the 3/17/73 Munich show is the best version I've heard of that show. So good. Regarding the Dub tape, what I can hear on the Heavy Vibraphones version is that the usual "faked" crowd noise pasted on the beginning of the Vinyl and Neutral Zone CDs, before Immigrant Song, has a loop of a few more seconds of crowd noise that someone must've cut-and-pasted to make sound longer. The original sample came from Dub pasting it on that tape copy that was put onto the vinyl and Neutral Zone CDs, so it shouldn't exist as a "longer" version via a lowgen or the master. It's from after Heartbreaker. There's also the same repeat note before Since I've Been Loving You on the Vibraphones tape, which matches with the Vinyl/Neutral Zone CDs, and all of the songs are cut in the same places, so no new tape either. So Vibraphones was either an edited and re-arranged copy of the Neutral Zone CDs, or an edited version of one of any number of bootleg releases that also copied the Neutral Zone discs. Speaking of, Last Stand Disc did a good version cloning the Neutral Zone CDs and putting the songs in the right order. That's a good one to get to at least get the song order right in the same sound quality as the original Neutral Zone bootleg.
  15. Does the low gen copy of yours have the repeat note at the beginning of Since I've Been Loving You? Does it have all of the same cuts between songs? If so, then it's sourced from the Neutral Zone CDs. There were lots of bootlegs that came out after the Neutral Zone CDs that put the songs back in the correct order, but they also all kept that same repeat before Since I've Been Loving You and they all had the same cuts between songs as the Neutral Zone CDs.