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Mithril46

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  1. It's pretty obvious Robert's ego slowly started to balloon starting soon after Zep up to the great "Fate of Nations", and went atomic afterwards. There is a story that pror to the Shaken' n' Stirred album, Plant sent Robbie Blunt a guitar synth. Not only did Plant want Blunt to master it, he sent the bill to Blunt($2000). Now you know a bit why some of the sounds on the album are so cheesy. Even in 85'( even now, actually) guitar synths were toys for guitarists to play around with at home, and a good keyboard/synth could almost always sound better than a guitar synth, and do emulations of other instruments better. And concerning Jimmy. Not slogging other musicians like Robert, Jimmy retains a certain humbleness and reserve despite his superstar status. Jimmy has made some "musical" lapses of judgement, but probably looks askance at Robert's self righteous ease of insult of others. Please fix the doubling thing, if possible.
  2. Why should Jimmy have had an issue with Coverdale in that interview, since he wasn't shackled into that project ?? I guess you could say Jimmy should have had an issue then with Paul Rodgers. Jimmy had much praise for Paul's voice, but said a few times he wanted to attempt some more adventurous musical terrain, which was done a little bit, but it was kind of implied that Paul wanted to stay in his comfort zone.
  3. That's typical Robert. Dismissing former collaborators. And even feeling a bit embarrassed going back to Zep, when the band's operandi was to create a musical and visual juggernaut never seen before or since. As if musical exuberance in youth or very early middle age is unforgivable and silly.
  4. Well I think Robert was kind of dictating or implying his end in Zep concerning ITTOD and any tours forward. This whole thing about getting leaner, yes maybe a bit, but then you are biting the hand that feeds. Prove me wrong, but I've never heard anyone say concerning Zep's 80' European tour that the band has regained it's former glory simply by cutting out most of the jams, and now watch out,"Zep is back"!!!! I respect fans of the 80' Euro tour, and some band members had serious health/drug/alcohol troubles, but regardless for me Zep 80' just didn't work. Not convinced at all had they continued that they would have gone further with the "80" model.
  5. All this going back and forth is very interesting. But also sad and ridiculous, considering all the potentially great collaborations and possibilities lost. Seems like no one talks to anyone else( although I thought Jimmy and Robert were spotted looking rather friendly numerous times outside the courthouse in the STH lawsuit). I think it is worthwhile to put the microscope more on Jimmy, because obviously with him you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.If he actually spent a while crafting an hour worth of non Zep sounding excellent material, you may even see Plant back. And even not, there would be no shortage of great musicians breaking down his door. AAhh... sorry the acid kicked in halfway thru my Po!.&@st. PO#>ST.
  6. Those three Zep tracks aren't my Zep favorites, although at Knebworth 90' Wearing and Tearing was pretty powerful. My question is the jam-out in Darlene; is that a true jam in the studio, or was some of it pieced together ? Page even at that stage was capable of playing a great solo, but as a guitarist myself some licks sound possibly overdubbed or cut in. The solo in Hot Dog is kind of similar, great solo but it does sound like certain phrases were cut in. If Darlene all the way thru is simply a excellent song with a quite worthwhile jam outro , is there any proof of this. Still a excellent song, but I have my suspicions about the piece being a bonafide studio live jam, with no funny business. Nothing wrong with studio trickery, but then it's not what most think as a fully live jam.
  7. Never were Plant and Jonesy buddies. During the ITTOD sessions, they were drinking pints of Pimm's, a normal musician activity but unlikely done among "mild" aquaintances. During Zep, Jones called on Page twice (documented) that certain sections of Kashmir and ALS wouldn't mesh with Page's various guitar parts(actually they worked). But correcting Plant, find me an example. Then in 86' with the short lived Zep rehearsal reunion, after the sessions Plant invited everyone to some tavern to drink, but Page(perhaps he was attempting to get soberr) never showed. I don't think Plant totally dislikes Jonesy, but certainly there is some strange energy there. It doesn't help that Plant himself sometimes says some rather contradictory things in the same interview.
  8. Yeah, well I thought the fashion change was interesting(fan since 77', but too young for live shows) but even the shorter songs etc., how exactly did the "economy" really make the songs more powerful ? I think it's great that there are champions out there for that 80' tour. But to me much of that tour was like a somewhat disabled Porsche which could only hit 100 mph, not the 180 it's meant to do. Zep at half speed or coasting along, good for some, but I can't forget the musical hurricanes and wrecking balls of the past. I agree, though, Zep was almost totally contrary to what came musically and culturally in the 80's. Sorry if there is a blank space or double entry, I can't fix it.
  9. Ha Ha. Many have complained about that powerful but somewhat shrill and obtrusive Alembic bass. File that in with that ?($5000) Yamaha keyboard which sounded like a Toy's R Us kid keyboard. Sorry about these double entries, I have tried everything to eliminate them. Perhaps there are saboteurs afoot, or I really am a computer moron.
  10. Well certainly C. Jones and Michael Lee weren't seen as up to Zep's "real" rhythm section. However, have you ever actually seen P/P live in 98', or heard/seen audio/videos of their shows ?? Page was a little erratic but still usually good at least in 95'. 98', Page came out all guns blazing, quite a few critics and fans will attest he played fantastic, even as good as Zep. Plant wasn't weak by any standard, either. Not Zep but Lee and C.Jones weren't a farce by any means. Perhaps you've seen some of those shows or heard them. Many people just automatically assume it couldn't possibly be any good, without actually hearing the shows. Forget WIC... Live the songs were much more potent.
  11. Well certainly C. Jones and Michael Lee weren't seen as up to Zep's "real" rhythm section. However, have you ever actually seen P/P live in 98', or heard/seen audio/videos of their shows ?? Page was a little erratic but still usually good at least in 95'. 98', Page came out all guns blazing, quite a few critics and fans will attest he played fantastic, even as good as Zep. Plant wasn't weak by any standard, either. Not Zep but Lee and C.Jones weren't a farce by any means. Perhaps you've seen some of those shows or heard them. Many people just automatically assume it couldn't possibly be any good, without actually hearing the shows. Forget WIC... Live the songs were much more potent.
  12. Yeah, agreed very strong instrumentation, but Plant does go into some IMO odd vocal mannerisms a bit. Still not sold on why the tracks didn't make an EP before Knebworth, some weak explanations. I think ultimately the songs are very good but there are sections where are some weaker spots.
  13. Yeah, agreed very strong instrumentation, but Plant does go into some IMO odd vocal mannerisms a bit. Still not sold on why the tracks didn't make an EP before Knebworth, some weak explanations. I think ultimately the songs are very good but there are sections where are some weaker spots.
  14. Not sure if the new approach worked. Zep was born to jam, I believe way too much jamming was removed. Although Jimmy and Bonzo may not have been up to it anyway. The clothes change was cool, but that couldn't hide Jimmy and Bonzo's lack of stamina or erosion of skills. But hey, If some fans dig the 80' live Zep , that's fine
  15. Actually much of the TSRTS DAC guitar solo after the bow thing gets pretty dissonant, IMO not quite jelling all the time either. Very original, but at certain gigs 73'-75' , again too out there. Steve Howe was much better and more lyrical using dissonance in a musical way. Certainly different styles. The thing with Page and Davis, experienced jazz players can take a one chord modal vamp and still play very conventionally jazzy licks, whereas a rock or half fusion player tend to sound trapped in such a format. Page said he played jazz as a session man , but can't find this stuff on the sessionman releases. TUF, very interesting dissonance, and it works. Surely if Page applied himself he could get some jazz stuff together, but forget about Jimmy at any point showing up at a jazz open mike and burning.