I was under the impression that Baez version only said traditional and that's why Page listed his as traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page.

For the same reason that Ann Bredon sued Page for Babe I'm Gonna Leave You but didn't sue Joan Baez and willie Dixon sued for Wole Lotta Love but didn't sue The Small Faces for You Need Loving. They didn't care about artist integrity if someone who wasn't making any money recorded it, they only cared when there was cash to be made of a successful act.

Did he remaster them anew for the individual albums or did he just use the same remasters he did for the box sets?

My favorite Zep song is from III, which is Since I've Been Loving You. However, favorite album is tough. It's between I and II. I always saw those as sister albums

Presence is a mood album for me. I'm never gonna play just one track on it but rather play the album in it's entirety. That being said, If I could only keep one of the two I'd keep ITTOD because it has more variety.

I never disliked it but I found the alternate mix on the Deluxe Zep IV far more enjoyable.

Hello, I haven't been on ere in a while and I have voiced a lot of my points on a general music forum I'm part of and should have thought to come here first, my bad for sure. Here's a copy and paste of my own comment on that forum after finding out the verdict. I'm not gonna lie.This win for Zeppelin was an emotional moment for me and so was this trial.I'm almost glad now that it went to court, because it vindicates them, and brings forth a lot of facts about each song, as well as musical composition in general, for the Zep opponents to consider.I don't believe everyone who sided with Spirit are Zep haters and these comments are not aimed at them.But there are many, who had Zep lost this case, would have then attempted to trash the entire song, and pay no mind to the details of the case that favored Zeppelin.I'm gonna be 46 in a couple of weeks.Had Zeppelin lost their official claim to Stairway To Heaven, even just the intro, I would have aged 10 years.I kept Googling "Stairway To Heaven" on my phone early in the day, knowing that I'm on the East Coast and I would have to consider West Coast time.At about 130 pm East Coast time, about 1030 am West Coast time, I glanced again at my phone while sitting at the drive thru at the bank.I saw on Google from a Billboard link "Led Zeppelin Wins 'Stairway To Heaven' Jury Trial"A huge sense of both joy and relief came over my body and I felt emotion in my face.No, I didn't cry, lol, but I swear, I probably could have made myself at that point.I felt like they were attempting to take away a huge part of our youth and a huge part of Rock and Roll history.I felt they had no right, over something so short and common, to go so hard after a song that means so much to so many, especially this many years later. Even though it was only about a short intro, that intro is so iconic, it would have still royally sucked had they lost

I haven't purchased any of the companion discs except for Zep I for the concert. I have downloaded all the deluxe material. The rough mixes are really cool. The reference mixes, not so much. I do enjoy the backing tracks too.

Seems like most people who bash other artists are clearly envious of the massive success of the one they're bashing. Baker insulting Bonham and Moon, as well as the Stones in a different interview, by claiming they aren't very good musicians and that Charlie Watts was the best musician in the band. Then as discussed here before, we have Keith Richards insulting Zeppelin and Bonham in particular. Then Pete Townsend once said that he played a Beatles track without the lyrics and it was bloody awful. Note that the bands being insulted on these examples are Zeppelin The Stones and The Beatles. Basically the three biggest bands ever. So it's clear the insults come from people who wished they had been as big or don't like that someone was as big as them.

Good points no doubt, but at least in the U.S. it's sales tell us that many Zep fans don't own it in regular form. Many own both early 90s box sets and therefore own all the tracks. Others own it within the 2 complete cd box sets. I recognize that a lot of sales figures for any album, are based on casual fans, as well as many who only listen to an album a few times. Still, I feel like if every die hard Zep fan owned a copy of Presence that it would exceed the 3 million. I have always wondered what Zep's cd sales were. Just cds, not other formats from back in the day. Presence probably does even worse just under the cd format. Not sure.

I always wonder what it is that has made this album, not only receive a lot of flack, but commercially be so underwhelming compared to other Zep outings. In the U.S. it sits at 3 million. Of Course the RIAA only certifies by the millions (With the exception of the first 500,000) so if it's pushing 4 million we won know until it gets there. Still, ITTOD is certified in the U.S. at 6 million, and 3 million of that is after it's initial splash. Regardless of peoples perceptions of ITTOD, I believe it was aided greatly by the fact that Zep hadn't released any new material in 3 1/2 years since Presence. ITTOD also had a lot of radio play because of the radio friendly material. I only mention ITTOD because it has also received less than stellar reviews in recent years by some. But still, all these years later, you would think that Presence would have climbed to 5 million.

I was raised on The Beatles during the 70s and early 80s. I owned all of their Capital albums on vinyl and then all their EMI cds. My love for Zeppelin and The Beatles is a weird brother against brother battle. I had cliches, but the apples and oranges thing really does apply here. Both are fruits, both taste great and both are good for you. Still both taste and fell differently and it depends on which mood you are in at the moment. You can make that analogy with anything, but I think it really applies to these two bands, at least in my world. I also love The Who but less than these two. I like The Stones quite a bit but with them I'm more of a signature tracks fan. I think Zeppelin and The Beatles are the two bands that, although, have different foundations and influences (Beatles - R&B, Zeppelin-Blues) both have the most in common as it applies to delving into various genres and studio experimentation. It should really be no surprise that they are the top two bands off all time commercially. Usually, stats and figures can be misleading, but in this case, I think it speaks genuinely to the greatness of each group.

The o2 gig has really grown on me even though the guys are older. Something about knowing they rehearsed so much and the energy you feel from the crowd, who understand what they are witnessing. The entire thing just has the triumphant feel. It doesn't matter that Jimmy's solos and Plant's voice aren't what they used to be. They're still damn good, all thing considered. And even without Bonzo, just knowing it's his blood and someone who was tight with the guys all those years, as well as being someone who actually knew their music inside and out, makes it feel very genuine. JPJ, as always, was a rock.

No you're not. I think the vocals are much better but that Jimmy's solo is better on the master.

I think people just sort of think of ITTOD as solo Plant because it's the last regular Zep album before Plant went solo and his voice is much more similar on the album to his solo stuff, than on previous Zep albums. I think people just sort of think of ITTOD as solo Plant because it's the last regular Zep album before Plant went solo and his voice is more similar on the album to his solo stuff, than on previous Zep albums, if for no other reason, his age.