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ArmsofAtlas1977

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  1. Okay, keeping in mind that we're limiting it to 73, 75, and 77, I'll think of one from each tour. First out the gate is Providence on July 21. This one is such an easy pick for me, both because it's one of the bands best nights ever and definitely Robert's best of the year. It's a real shame that they didn't start testing the tapes for Song Remains the Same until the following show in Baltimore 75 is a bit of a tough one, because with Seattle coming out now, it's hard to think of what might top it, especially for shows we don't have on soundboard already. So I'll go with the opener in Minnesota, especially if it's true that Robert was still in good voice. If they had good performances of The Wanton Song and When The Levee Breaks, it'd be a real treat! So then we get to 77. This is the toughest one to choose for...28 April in Cleveland is a fantastic show. On the other hand, I get the feeling 31 May in Greensboro was maybe the best one of the year and we don't have a recording at all. I'm going to play it safe and choose Cleveland. I'll also throw in the Copenhagen warmups in 1979. It's hard for me to believe there isn't a soundboard from those two shows when it's so late in their career.
  2. Instrumentalists can keep getting better and better as they age. Unfortunately for singers, the instrument ages with them (and not in a good way.) Worse than that, Led Zeppelin were reckless, and Robert did not take care of his voice at all. No warming up beforehand, smoking and drinking during shows and an unfortunate tendency towards pushing his limits for the sake of showboating. On top of that, the tours were ridiculously relentless. Their European Tour in the spring of 1970 was 15 shows in 18 days, and by that point the shows were two hours or more. He also famously continued to tour despite vocal complications like the flu. Yes, cancelled shows are a mess, but you've got to put the long-term needs of the band first. Things like Robert's voice make me wish we could take a time machine back to manage the band better. Peter Grant got them their money, but also failed to prevent so much damage to the band themselves. At the risk of getting too off-topic, I won't get into here, but it really is too bad!
  3. I would much rather have heard 1980 go on than 1977. The 77 tour seemed to be winding down on its own even before tragedy struck, whereas by the end of the 1980 European Tour they were still easing back into the spirit of touring. Beyond that, I just don't see what they might have done to finish 77 that would have been that interesting. Yeah, maybe a professional recording, but my guess is that the result would have been as middling as TSRtS. The peak of 77 was way back in Cleveland, with a second wind in LA. I really doubt they were going to top either of those had the tour continued. They were exhausted, the shows were getting dragged out to absurd lengths, and the drugs were getting worse and worse as the tour continued. On the other hand, 1980 was headed to very new ground whether it was their last tour or not. Jimmy was talking. Carouselambra was 100% going to be played. They were scaling down the size of their venues, the length of the shows, and focusing on new material. Moby Dick and the guitar solo were gone. This was a band who had learned from the mistakes of the past and were just starting a new approach, only to have the whole thing collapse overnight. To me, that tour is clearly headed in a much more interesting direction than "Listen To This Eddie-lite." The only thing that could ruin it is the only thing that did: drugs. But that plagued them just as badly in 77.
  4. The other day I was thinking about Led Zeppelin and had an odd idea. In 1976, Led Zeppelin was taking a break from touring. At the same, their biggest fans were finally getting their own big break. Who were these fans? A band named Heart. Bootlegs of this group show that when they were given an hour on the radio, they would fit 3 Led Zeppelin songs into their set. That same year, Heart was trying to part ways with their old label and find a new one. We also know they had sent a demo to Swan Song (never listened to until they were closing their doors and cleaning out the warehouse.) From this, we can conclude that Heart would be thrilled to work with Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin was also facing difficulties as they matured. Robert's voice prevented him from being able to sing certain songs altogether, and made other performances often lackluster. Some of their later compositions also struggled to reach their potential in a live context, simply because they were so layered and complex. Achille's Last Stand and The Song Remains the Same are good examples of this. By now you might see where I'm going with this, but anyway...what if Led Zeppelin had signed Heart to Swan Song and had them open their shows on their 1977 tour? When it came Zeppelin's turn to take the stage, members of Heart would have been happy to fill out certain songs. Imagine Ten Years Gone with two more guitarists, or Battle of Evermore with Ann Wilson doing the counter melody. A missed opportunity to my ears!
  5. What would excite me most from them would be Knebworth. I think it's a much stronger performance than Earls Court and has a lot less songs in common with HTWWW. Other than that, we're still getting a rather steady flow of bootlegs. Maybe maybe maybe someone closer to the band is holding onto higher-quality tapes of a few soundboards, but I doubt it.
  6. January 10 is my favorite show of 1969. This one is a really great one though, and I agree with the comment earlier that it is probably the best one to get new people into the bootlegs. Fantastic audio quality and a tight set
  7. 1977 isn't a great year for Zeppelin in general, but it has some really great shows. In that way, Landover is a sample of the tour itself: not great shows overall, but with the occasional really great performance (5/28 Kashmir and 5/30 Achille's come to mind right away.) Unfortunately, the brittle soundboards lack the warm quality of the Miller's boots from the Forum, so there's little reason to listen to them at all. If you want an outstanding, consistent performance from this tour, I recommend April 28. The only show from 77 where the performance is superior enough to the Forum shows to justify the step down in audio quality.
  8. 24 July 1979 in Copenhagen
  9. Sound is muddy and muffled, but this version from 2 April 1973 in Paris is the best I've ever heard.
  10. It's unreleased and has never been bootlegged but it definitely exists. It's been talked about by various members and it's in their archive.
  11. I've listened a lot of 77 and this is what the setlist should have been: Sick Again Nobody's Fault But Mine In My Time of Dying Since I've Been Loving You No Quarter Ten Years Gone White Summer/Black Mountain Side Kashmir Achille's Last Stand Listen to the shows like that and there's your 90 minutes!
  12. I think this is highly accurate. As time went on, it seems to me that Page became more and more interesting creatively with his improvisations, but he also stopped playing with fluency. It was a weird problem, because there were moments when this was completely untrue (the 24th of Copenhagen 1979 was perhaps the most fluid performance of his life). Perhaps, as his library of improvisational ideas expanded, it led to more and more hesitation during actual performances?
  13. For me, it would be neat to have a live release of some of their later material because, on CD, we've got nothing past Houses of the Holy. For that purpose, I think a release of Knebworth would be a lot more exciting.
  14. I've read that Plant was very eager to perform the song but Jone's wasn't able to get the sound he wanted live. I've never looked further into that story, but I assume it is referring to the 1975 tour since that was the first one they did post-Physical Graffiti. Anyway, live performance technology developed a lot during the late 70s and I'm sure Jones could have got the sound he was looking for by 1980. Had I been on the management end of things, I would have pushed for In The Light to be their new "epic" piece after they had kicked out No Quarter and Dazed and Confused. It's pretty easy to imagine the band stretching their legs and taking the song on a 15-20 minute ride, and that's just the sort of thing the 1980 tour needed.
  15. I think that the "20 minute" All My Love is an urban legend that might have grown of some weird combination of the 20 minute Helter Skelter (that actually exists) and the slightly extended version (which also actually exists.) It is a shame the extended version wasn't released, but I think what would have been way better is an official release of Zurich concert from the 1980 tour. It has three ITTOD songs and the FM source is even better than the Paris 69 he did release. One of the best Achille's Last Stands as well! Anyway, I feel All My Love is generally underrated. It's some of their best lyrics, and beautiful performed.