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  1. I know for a fact that this vendor's 1980 CHICAGO poster is a FAKE -- I've seen the actual Chicago Tribune newspaper ad for this (sadly, it was printed on the day John Bonham passed) and while it had the Swan Song and Zeppelin (circa 1973) logos, the rest was added on by some imposter. The text does appear to be correct, though; but there is a font that wasn't in the original, either. [I have too much time on my hands today!! ]
  2. Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could direct me to where I could possible view the outtakes of the Zep promo pics they shot in a field (Bonzo's farm?) for either Knebworth or the In Through the Out Door album? (see sample here). I am only guessing that they were taken by Neal Preston. P.S.: I don't need the one where Percy drops his trousers... Thanks!
  3. ... but seriously, folks -- just my opinion, mannnn, on a POSSIBLY better In Through the Out Door: SIDE ONE In the Evening (the only song to start this album, one of the all-time best intros to a song) Wearing and Tearing ("It starts out like a murmur...") Southbound Suarez/Soiree Darlene All My Love (with the Plant vocal cold ending) SIDE TWO Carouselambra Hot Dog I'm Gonna Crawl Fool in the Rain ("Gotta get home now...")
  4. Relative Values: Former Led Zeppelin front man, Robert Plant, and his son, Logan, a brewer The rock god Robert Plant, 68, and his son, Logan, 37, who runs a north London brewery, discuss family tragedy, separation and “talking rubbish in the pub” Robert By 1977, it felt like we were getting to the end of Led Zeppelin. In 1975, I’d been in a serious car accident and spent months in a wheelchair. Then, in 1977, we embarked on a lacklustre tour of America, but in the middle of it I got a phone call from home saying we’d lost our boy, Karac [Karac Pendra Plant died of respiratory issues. He was five years old]. I dropped everything and rushed back home to Stourbridge [in the West Midlands]. Me, my then-wife, Maureen [Logan’s mum], and our daughter Carmen, who was eight, tried to maintain some sort of logic and just deal with each day. But the media hammered us. They even tried to break into our home. I thought: “How has it come to this?” My mojo for life, for music, for everything just vanished. And, to a certain extent, it never came back. I gave up the jazz cigarettes and the other stuff. As far as I was concerned, I was finished with the band and I was going to retrain as a teacher. I just wanted to be close to the joy of children ... It was Bonzo [Led Zeppelin’s drummer, John Bonham] and his wife, Pat, who encouraged me to carry on with the music, so I did. We did one more album, plus a couple of sloppy tours, but then we lost Bonzo [Bonham died in September 1980 after a heavy drinking session]. It was all over. Logan was actually born in 1979. He appeared in the middle of this explosion of emotion and pain. When I look back, it was as if he arrived like some sort of phoenix, attempting to drag us from flames. The loss of Karac made me and Maureen even more focused on being parents. All I wanted to do was stay around and try to make up for what had happened, but it became obvious that we could never get back to the golden days. Maureen and I eventually said goodbye to each other when Logan was about four. Did it have anything to do with Karac? I just think we couldn’t continue to shoulder this grief. We sat down one day and said: “We can’t take any more.” Logan lived with his mum and Carmen, but he spent holidays with me and used to come out on tour. He always brought his skateboard. While we were sound-checking, he’d be racing around Madison Square Garden. As a parent, I was overcautious. It didn’t matter if he was having a kip on the tour bus, someone always guarded him. There was guilt on my part, too. Guilt I wasn’t there all the time. Thank God Logan turned out to be a great kid. The only time we disagreed was over his music taste. Bloody Bon Jovi’s Livin’ on a Prayer constantly on the car stereo. And that Swedish band … Europe. The Final f****** Countdown. I was on the verge of strapping him in the back seat and driving off a cliff! Even as a kid, he used to love coming to the pub with me, so I wonder if that set him off on the path to owning a brewery [Logan now owns Beavertown Brewery in north London]. There are some great breweries round the Black Country and he could definitely recognise the taste of decent beer. My grandfather, another Robert, was a famous drinker. When my father became disenchanted with my career choice, it was Robert who encouraged me. He used to say, “When you’m finished a concert, make sure you get plenty of neck oil,” meaning beer. Logan never met him, but he loved that story and Neck Oil has become one of Logan’s bestselling beers. I know that you’re only talking to me and Logan because I used to be in that band, but that band and my entire career have always fitted in around the family. Father to son, and now Logan to his son, Harlen. Family, roots and love. The great, unfolding story that we are all a part of. The only stuff that matters. Logan The reality of who Dad was didn’t hit me for years. I’d stand at the side of the stage, listening to 50,000 people screaming as they watched this golden god in the spotlight. Him and my dad didn’t seem to connect in my head. All I was interested in was when could I have a big pizza. I can remember my mum and dad splitting up, even though I was only four. They’d met as teenagers, had my sister, Carmen, when Dad was 20 and then Led Zeppelin happened. Life went crazy for the next 10 years. Looking back, I think losing Karac made them very emotionally attached to me and Carmen, and that played a huge part in how they handled the separation. It was completely amicable, a lot of love and respect, and us kids came first. Considering the hell they’d been through, they did a brilliant job. We stayed in the West Midlands, but initially Dad moved away. I think he missed it, though, ’cos he eventually moved back. And that’s really what my old man’s all about. He doesn’t care about hanging out in LA or buying a castle in Spain; he just wants to connect with his family and the Black Country. He’s supported Wolves all his life and it’s been passed down the line. It’s not always an easy job … driving four hours to watch an uneventful nil-nil draw. Stopping at some Chinese outside Lincoln. But I genuinely believe that’s where you’ll see the real Robert Plant. Talking rubbish in the pub. Just the other week, he came back from America, had a kip, then drove straight to a Wolves away game. That’s far more important and precious to him than some story about Led Zeppelin and a fish. [According to rock legend, the band allegedly pleasured a girl with a fish in 1969.] Do I like Zeppelin? After I got my first Walkman, Dad gave me this whole collection of albums on cassette. He just said, “This was a band I used to be in.” I didn’t know anything about them, but they became my favourite band. Still are. I used to hassle him all the time. “Dad, why don’t you get Zeppelin back together?” I didn’t understand the weight of history, the loss of Bonzo and what it meant to him. I just wanted to see them play live. I did eventually at the 2012 reunion. There were lots of tears that night. There have been some amazing moments. Being at the White House with him when Zeppelin were receiving an award. The Obamas, the Clintons … everybody was there. But there were also times when it annoyed me that Robert Plant was my dad. When I was about 8, I loved Guns N’ Roses and remember thinking: “I wish Axl Rose was my dad.” Life could have been so different! STRANGE HABITS Logan on Robert He does fart a lot ... I think he got it from his mum Robert on Logan He farts a lot ... I think he got that from me Logan's brewery website: TOP: Logan shares a craft beer with his dad at his pub, the Duke’s Brew and Que in east London, which used to house his brewery in the BELOW: basement; Father and son in 1985
  5. Yes, I agree: HTWWW is far too clean, not enough crowd in the mix. At least with Burn Like a Candle you get a feel for the concert. Wish it was mixed a little bit more like The Song Remains the Same, where you hear the occasional whistle or yell from the crowd.
  6. I haven't read the book, but browsing through it at a bookseller recently, I saw a somewhat recent picture of Phil Collins and Plant inside it. Caption (paraphrased) has Collins calling him "Planty" and says he likes Plant's sense of humor -- and like George Harrison, is suspicious of fame and blind faith (whatever that refers to).
  7. SIDE ONE: In the Evening Achilles Last Stand For Your Life Hots On for Nowhere SIDE TWO: Carouselambra Darlene Wearing and Tearing I'm Gonna Crawl *I don't necessarily agree with the other tracks as "junk."
  8. "A little bit more of the treble. Now ease up on the bass. There, there! Perfect."
  9. Hi, I was wondering if anyone found it odd and may even have a possible explanation for the vocal edit on the Compilation version of "Houses of the Holy (Rough Mix)," specifically the "Satan and man" bit (or, as I believe it to be, "Slide on down"). The compilation version just has a blip of the first syllable of that line. Kind of strange. Makes me wonder. Thanks, Dpat
  10. Opinions are like rear ends: Everyone's got one, and here's mine: Inconsistency of Robert Plant's lyric writing. His lyrics range from cosmic highs to generic school boy scribblings. Too many of the songs are written about him losing his woman and/or love. Not expecting him to be Bob Dylan, but he never really wrote anything meaningfully deep. "We just want it to be about the music, maaaan." Speaking of Percy, some of his lyrics were indecipherable anyway, especially later on. Lockjaw from too much coca? The Companion Discs. I understand a lot of the stuff was already out there illegally, but most of the songs sound 98% like the original release. Would liked to have hear more songs in their embryonic stages (see The Beatles "Anthology" discs). No audio releases of complete concerts, say from 1975 or even 1980. Who cares if they weren't perfect sounding? Not putting "The Rover" on the Houses of the Holy album instead of "D'yer Mak'er."
  11. Interesting question! I would hazard a guess that Bonham did not know of Peart's playing, due to Rush's lack of popularity in England in the 1970s. Rush didn't get really famous in England (Bonham's home) until their 1980 album release, "Permanent Waves," (Spirt of Radio, Freewill) as the album charted in the U.K. charts to the #3 position. [Previously, I believe, only 1977's "A Farewell to Kings" charted in the U.K. to #22, probably because of the "Closer to the Heart" track.] Rush's 1981 "Moving Pictures" (Tom Sawyer, Limelight) help them to become even more famous, but by then, sadly Bonham had departed us. Was Bonham a fan of (what we now call) "classic rock" back in late 1970s, 1980? It was somewhat uncool to be during that period in England -- and maybe one of the reasons why Zeppelin steered "In Through the Out Door" to a more "pop," less hard rock sound overall. If John did hear Peart's playing, it may have been on the 1977 tour in the U.S.? I don't know. Like other posters here have commented, probably the only person who might know is his son, Jason.
  12. If you skip to about 2:04 into this video, you might start to hear some Buddy Rich influences into Bonzo's live version(s) of "Moby Dick" in parts of this song. Granted (not Peter), drum soloing is more limiting than most other standard instruments, but it is interesting to hear where some of Bonzo's influences (along with Gene Krupa) may have come from:
  13. Hi, Does anyone know what Robert Plant sang near the end of the live versions of No Quarter during the 1973 and 1975 tours? It sounds something like "this is you without quarter." It is right before, "The pain, the pain without quarter..." Thanks.