TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Simone Joyner, Getty Images A music fan has stabbed himself to death after allegedly being unable to sleep for three months as a result of hearing loss from a concert by Them Crooked Vultures, the group featuring former Led Zeppelin bassist John Paul Jones. According to Fox News, 52-year old Robert McIndoe claimed to be suffering from severe tinnitus following a London concert by the group, which also includes Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters on drums and Queens of the Stone Age frontman Josh Homme. Reportedly, McIndoe previously tried to end his life via overdose earlier in the month, with his widow Shirley explaining, “He just wanted not to be suffering.” The Daily Mirror quotes his psychiatrist as stating that her patient had “accepted death as a side-effect of stopping the noise.” This is obviously a tragic story, and if we can get on our soapbox for a minute, please consider wearing earplugs to rock concerts. There’s a variety of very good brands available. Your listening pleasure will not be adversely affected; in fact, you’ll get to enjoy rock and roll for many more years if you take care of your ears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I guess the lack of ability to hear caused him to have to listen to the voices in his head more clearly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Everyone always wants to blame someone else for their actions. Especially, if the one they're blaming is wealthy and therefore a lot could possibly be obtained in a lawsuit. Probably, frivolous . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Well he's not gonna instigate a lawsuit now that he's dead. He got tinnitus - after the gig - perfectly possible and a bloody hellish thing to live with. Having said that I really do agree with you in general about compensation culture - a blight on our times, it sometimes makes me wonder where it will all end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Turn it up, man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hecube Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I went to a TCV show and the sound was awful and awfully loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I work at gigs all the time and had to walk out of the last Lenny Kravitz show I was at - just insanely loud. It's not clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 When KISS came to the o2 in 09' my ears died for about a week, there should be more regulations for indoor concerts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargroves Tangie Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 My husband swears he got tinnitus after the Page & Plant concert we saw in 1998, but I believe that it was the accumulation of all the loud concerts he went to over the years & it just so happened that P & P was the "final straw". Now he wears earplugs to all shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 them crooked vultures were VERY LOUD in sydney when i saw them, but it was my choice to go the concert, and i could have worn earplugs. i didn't get tinitus from the concert, but i have had it. i got it after surgery about 20 years ago, and had it for a year or so. it drives you crazy! but i never once considered killing myself over it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot dog Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 This is a tragic case, must be an awful thing to have. One of the first things that struck me when Zeppelin came onstage at the O2 was how loud they were - they sounded absolutely brutal, which made it all the more awesome. Obviously not so loud that it became a problem like the Lenny Kravitz gig Knebby describes, but just right. I can still remember the shudder I felt from Jason's bass drum during Kashmir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cecil. Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Well a rock comcert may get loud.The fellow had problems lazy reporting . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Pete Townshend of The Who has severe tinnitus, mine is mild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Some very good points from everyone. I'm just speculating that the individuals family might be using this as an easy target in a possible frivolous lawsuit to sue and gain a lot of cash that they may see as easy. Just remember the satantic suicides back some years ago, I think involved Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne and music by others. Can't remember the specifics, but I'm sure someone can help here. Weird stuff. Seems just after the money for most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cecil. Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Some very good points from everyone. I'm just speculating that the individuals family might be using this as an easy target in a possible frivolous lawsuit to sue and gain a lot of cash that they may see as easy. Just remember the satantic suicides back some years ago, I think involved Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne and music by others. Can't remember the specifics, but I'm sure someone can help here. Weird stuff. Seems just after the money for most. Really cheap journalism some "study" will mention that earplugs should become law when attending a rock concert. Would that be the"suicide solution" court case Superdave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 The issue is if someone is mentally unhinged and goes un-diagnosed, there is a possibility something, anything will set them off. The suicide solution case with Ozzy back in the 80's was an example. It turned out for both Ozzy and also Judas Priest in a similar case that both young adults had a history of mental abnormality before listening or knowing about either artist. They were lucky, America has become a blame oriented society where no one wishes to accept responsibility, and anything which may deviate from the norm (see West Memphis 3) must be rooted out and destroyed. I know this may be a hard pill to swallow, but in 2011 America, if you are not christian and not striving solely for the almighty dollar, you are a deviant. Welcome to the late 17th century redux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2walsh Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 That's why you should carry some cheap ear plugs in your pocket...just in case! But this dude had problems before seeing TCV. What a shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Zep Girl Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I go to drag races. DRAG RACES. Which are 10 times louder than a concert & I haven't lost any hearing. Even if I did, I wouldn't blame it on anybody but myself. It's my fault I didn't wear ear plugs not their fault because that have a loud car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarius Rising Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I go to drag races. DRAG RACES. Which are 10 times louder than a concert & I haven't lost any hearing. Even if I did, I wouldn't blame it on anybody but myself. It's my fault I didn't wear ear plugs not their fault because that have a loud car. I hear you there girl, those "ladies" can get pretty loud. And, if those versions of "I will Survive" don't give you tinnitus nothing will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I don't know what the true solution to this really is. Earplugs can help, but don't solve it. People just need to accept responsibility for their own actions. Now if it's a mental or physical problem one may have that may be different. But it wouldn't be a bands fault that this happened because of your condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I must have bionic ears...I've been to over 2,000 concerts and haven't suffered any hearing loss at all. I wore earplugs for the first year going to concerts, but from around mid-1973, I've never worn them since. I get my eyes and ears checked annually and miraculously I still have 20/20 vision and perfect hearing. Do I hearing ringing after a loud show? Yes, but by the next day it's usually gone...2 or 3 days if it was a REALLY LOUD concert like the recent Swans show. In fact, in all the concerts I've been to, the only show I saw where I sustained physical damage(we'll talk about the mental damage seeing the likes of Creed and Limp Bizkit did later, haha), was the My Bloody Valentine concert at the Santa Monica Civic a couple years ago. It was so LOUD(as I knew it would be, having seen them back in the day), that it shook a filling loose from my lower back molar. Probably happened during the "noise holocaust" section. I didn't notice until the next day when brushing my teeth I saw a big hole where the filling had been. But I never once thought about sueing the band over it. The pleasure that show gave me was compensation enough for losing a filling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzepfan Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I do "feel" for this man's family and friends. It is a very unfortunate situation. I have had, only twice, hearing problems after a concert....and it was my own fault for not bringing earplugs and/or moving from my location. Yngve Malmsteen and Alice Cooper. Zep at the 02 was "music to my ears" and didn't seem anywhere near as loud as many other shows I've been to. As far as there being government regulation, I wholeheartedly disagree. Very very few suffer from problems and it's usually because they are too close to the speakers and/or they didn't bring earplugs to protect themselves. As far as lawsuits - people need to think and act for themselves and not hold others responsible for their actions, or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I do "feel" for this man's family and friends. It is a very unfortunate situation. I have had, only twice, hearing problems after a concert....and it was my own fault for not bringing earplugs and/or moving from my location. Yngve Malmsteen and Alice Cooper. Zep at the 02 was "music to my ears" and didn't seem anywhere near as loud as many other shows I've been to. As far as there being government regulation, I wholeheartedly disagree. Very very few suffer from problems and it's usually because they are too close to the speakers and/or they didn't bring earplugs to protect themselves. As far as lawsuits - people need to think and act for themselves and not hold others responsible for their actions, or lack thereof. Well said Dave. Good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigzepfan Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It's really unfortunate that the legal system "protects" people and awards huge lawsuits for people who don't protect themselves. I'm thinking back to the lady at McDonalds who sued and got millions for spilling hot coffe on herself. and i repeat she spilled it on herself!!!! If it wasn't hot she probably would have sued for the coffee not being served hot enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 It's really unfortunate that the legal system "protects" people and awards huge lawsuits for people who don't protect themselves. I'm thinking back to the lady at McDonalds who sued and got millions for spilling hot coffe on herself. and i repeat she spilled it on herself!!!! If it wasn't hot she probably would have sued for the coffee not being served hot enough. So true Dave. That's why we call a lot of these lawyers who base their firms litigation on frivolous claims like this ambulance chasers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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