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[DAS]

Alot of people have been buzzing about animated musician holograms or whatever. There has already be a thread about it on this board:
http://forums.ledzep...ifiably-badass/

This brought up an interesting thought here:
http://www.classicro...future-of-rock/

So say the reunion was going to happen this year instead of 2007 or that they did another show or whatever scenario you prefer. Would you rather see Led Zeppelin play with Jason Bonham on drums or a hologram of John Bonham.

[the chase]

Jason.

[shnflacwav]

Led Zeppelin ain't playing anymore.

[reswati]

Jason.................a hologram can not improvise music.

[Tony Defilippis]

true.....a hologram can't.......but.......neither can Jason......and don't take my word for it......go check out "The Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin Experience"........

[Rock Historian]

true.....a hologram can't.......but.......neither can Jason......and don't take my word for it......go check out "The Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin Experience"........

What is that supposed to mean?

[publicenemy3]

Well it obviously means that he thinks Jason isn't good at improvising music. Duh! Oh, and apparently 2Pac want a hologram, just a projection.

The improvising issue is the same thought I had when this came up. Zeppelin plays in the now. They have an idea where they are going, but not a definite plan on how they are getting there. If they had to conform to a recorded drum track, the music would suffer greatly.

Now if they took the RAH performance though, and created projections of each band member and synched it to the performance, then it would work.

[reswati]

The Jason Bonham that drummed at the O2 concert and at the rehearsal one day before that could sure as hell play the drums. He might not be John Bonham, but who is?

[the chase]

Well it obviously means that he thinks Jason isn't good at improvising music. Duh! Oh, and apparently 2Pac want a hologram, just a projection. The improvising issue is the same thought I had when this came up. Zeppelin plays in the now. They have an idea where they are going, but not a definite plan on how they are getting there. If they had to conform to a recorded drum track, the music would suffer greatly. Now if they took the RAH performance though, and created projections of each band member and synched it to the performance, then it would work.

IT WOULD WORK VERY BADLY

[Daniel]

As much as I avoid computer generated music and most science fiction (No offense intended.), just imagine if someday somehow, computer code is written that would allow for John Bonham to be ~recreated in hologram/animatron form. It may not happen in any of our lifetimes (Unless medicine progresses such that we live much longer lives!), or it may never happen, but just think if it does, if artificial intelligence could progress so far, while not taking over the World! But, sadly and probably by the time, that/if it does happen, then Page, Plant and Jones would also need to have computer generated ~equals created as well. It's kind of cool to think that perhaps, someday, my great-great-...,grandchildren will be in a crowd, rocking out to some computer generated near-authentic LIVE Led Zeppelin.

OK, OK. Earth to Daniel, Earth to Daniel, come in Daniel are you still here?

[Rock Historian]

Well it obviously means that he thinks Jason isn't good at improvising music. Duh! Oh, and apparently 2Pac want a hologram, just a projection.

The improvising issue is the same thought I had when this came up. Zeppelin plays in the now. They have an idea where they are going, but not a definite plan on how they are getting there. If they had to conform to a recorded drum track, the music would suffer greatly.

Now if they took the RAH performance though, and created projections of each band member and synched it to the performance, then it would work.

I know what he meant PE3, but I want him to tell me his thoughts....I find it hard to believe that Jason Bonham is incapable of improvising on stage........

[dazedcat]

I can't imagine what the surviving members would feel playing live along with a hologram of a friend thirty years gone. That's creepy really.

In fact I'm pretty sure you could offer Robert Plant the American national debt as payment and he would refuse this outright.

[Jahfin]

My first reaction was that it's creepy as well. In the past we've had Natalie Cole singing along with her Dad on "Unforgettable", Hank Wiliams, Jr. singing along with his on "There's A Tear In My Beer", Johnny Van Zant trading vocals with Ronnie on "Travellin' Man" and more recently The Beach Boys incorporating footage of Carl and Dennis Wilson on their current tour where the surviving members play and sing along with them. Dr. Dre has wisely put the kibosh on the prospect of a full blown Tupac tour.

[Stryder1978]

I thought having Jason playing a drum solo interspersed with the film clip of John playing "Moby Dick" from "The Song Remains the Same" at the O2 gig would have been cool. Jason starts it out and then stops as the stage goes black and we have a film clip of John playing it. Then cut the film, turn the stage lights on to have Jason come in live for a few minutes, then back to John on the screen behind him. Alternate between the two of them for about 10 minutes.

It eliminates the creepy hologram factor and would have been a cool tribute for John IMHO......

[Rock Historian]

I thought having Jason playing a drum solo interspersed with the film clip of John playing "Moby Dick" from "The Song Remains the Same" at the O2 gig would have been cool. Jason starts it out and then stops as the stage goes black and we have a film clip of John playing it. Then cut the film, turn the stage lights on to have Jason come in live for a few minutes, then back to John on the screen behind him. Alternate between the two of them for about 10 minutes.

It eliminates the creepy hologram factor and would have been a cool tribute for John IMHO......

Nah, I don't think that would have worked...The O2 was their time to shine and pay tribute to Ahmed E. (that was the purpose of the gig)

Having done that with the drum solo would have been a little too........cheesy.

That show was not the time or place and I'm glad they didn't.

Edited by Rock Historian, 27 April 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[Stryder1978]

Well, everyone has an opinion. I just thought as many times as Jason pointed and looked toward the skies during the show, I thought him doding a tribute to his father would be very cool.

And I think Ahmet would have approved....

[the chase]

Well, everyone has an opinion. I just thought as many times as Jason pointed and looked toward the skies during the show, I thought him doding a tribute to his father would be very cool.

And I think Ahmet would have approved....

Sure ... That would have been cool. I'm sure nobody would have minded either.. But the night was a tribute to Ahmet.

Jason learning all his Father's drum parts and playing them as well as he did is a very nice and subtle tribute to his Father...

They also played a tight, no nonsense set.

Performing Ramble On, Good Times Bad Times and For Your Life, which were never or rarely played live by Led Zeppelin made it clear that it was all about the songs.. not about solos .. and jams.

Edited by the chase, 28 April 2012 - 09:28 AM.

[DAS]

Personally I'm in favor of keeping it real (I don't mean that in the way a rapper does). Holograms and videos and so forth I just don't like. I think Led Zeppelin did the coolest thing possible by getting John's son to play with them. I've been to concerts where they played video of a dead person singing or playing and they all sing or play along and it's actually very lame when you see it in person. When I see live music I don't want to hear a recording. If that's what I wanted I'd just go watch a Miley Cirus lip sink show. I don't think the Moby Dick idea above is terrible but I really think that adding a recording to a real live concert will cheapen it a little. Even though John Bonham was the greatest ever I prefer to let things go.

[TashaZoso16]

Keep it real... Jason is great, Holograms just take away from the music

[Sagittarius Rising]

I say we get that John Edwards guy and ask John personally.