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[DAS]

Since American politics have gotten a lot of attention lately I thought I'd post a poll and see who we're for. I even added polls for people from countries other than the USA so we can see what they think. Personally, I won't be voting this year because I think they are both bums.

[publicenemy3]

I too won't be voting. I have yet to vote at all, I'm 21. It's not that I don't care, its just that it wont make a difference. I live in a democratic state so our electoral votes will be going to Obama anyway, unless something goes horribly wrong. He hasn't been that bad, Romney is going to be way worse though.

Edited by publicenemy3, 09 July 2012 - 10:17 PM.

[DAS]

^ I vote but just haven't for president yet due to the fact both parties nominated losers. And personally I think for Romney to do a worse job there would have to be an actual difference in the two candidates. They both have the same track record, they just spew out different hot air imo.

[TypeO]

My vote is mostly against Obama, much like Obama spent much of the 2008 campaign emphasizing how he was "not Bush" (not even addressing the idiocy of that sentiment given Bush wasn't running).
That's why I feel not voting is a vote for Obama.

Romney isn't the optimal candidate, but he's a person I trust to do the right thing, as opposed to Obama's wish to "transform" America.
After almost 4 years, that's a transformation most people don't want.

And I'd like to see him choose Marco Rubio as his VP running mate.

[publicenemy3]

My political views are underdeveloped, and a little lofty. America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering. I'm going to bow out now as I see myself derailing this thread

[Melcórë]

America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering.

Hear hear!

[Sagittarius Rising]

Theodore Roosevelt, too bad he is not around today, we desperately need someone like him...or Jefferson, or Martin Van Buren.

[DAS]

My political views are underdeveloped, and a little lofty. America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering. I'm going to bow out now as I see myself derailing this thread

This is one of the best positions I've seen on politics. It sees the problem and that campaign bs is just that yet it's not dogmatic and condescending.

[Major Major]

I just think it's a shame that people get old and crazy. If Thatcher and Reagan were still around, we wouldn't all be in this mess right now.

[Lake of Shadows]

I'm voting for Obama... again.

In the great scheme of things it won't matter because I know how my state will go... but I'll vote anyway. Too many people have died in the past just so I could do so.

Feel free to trash away... not that my permission is needed.

[3hrsoflunacy]

President Obowelmovement will not get my vote, but I live in CA so it doesn't really matter. Willard Romney is a disappointing choice from the Republican ticket.

I would like to see more emphasis on the races for Senate and the House. Those jackasses are every bit as responsible for the screwing up of our country and they don't get as much coverage as the POTUS race does. They need term limits and a mandatory retirement age.

[shnflacwav]

[Mudslider]

obama has nothing to run on; no accomplishments. His biggest so-called victory, obamacare, is the largest mandated tax hike ever on the American people! More than half dont want it! He has opened the boarders, disability has quadrupled, welfare and food stamps tripled, and wants to keep taxing and regulating business. He is a community organizor now running the countries budget! Its funny - there is nothing behind the cool sppeches and smile. He does not like America and is taking us down the wrong road! ALl he does is blame bush! Still! Well, his record is far worse than bush!! what have you done obama???? nothing! Hope and change: How's it working for you America?? FIRE this FAKE SOCIALIST.

Read up on the 20 big taxes YOU will be hit with with obama care. In short you will be paying MORE for LESS.

http://dcxposed.com/...dden-tax-hikes/

[greenman]

I just think it's a shame that people get old and crazy. If Thatcher and Reagan were still around, we wouldn't all be in this mess right now.

I'd say that Thatcher and Reagan are two of the people most directly responable for us being in "this mess" right now.

[Mudslider]

I'm voting for Obama... again.

In the great scheme of things it won't matter because I know how my state will go... but I'll vote anyway. Too many people have died in the past just so I could do so.

Feel free to trash away... not that my permission is needed.

At least your honest. I can respect that.

[mstork]

^ I vote but just haven't for president yet due to the fact both parties nominated losers. And personally I think for Romney to do a worse job there would have to be an actual difference in the two candidates. They both have the same track record, they just spew out different hot air imo.

One is a successful businessman and governor, the other is a community organizer and short term senator who voted "present" a lot. If you don't like Romney that's valid but in no way shape or form do they "have the same track record".

[Sagittarius Rising]

Until term limits are established, Citizens United ruling is overturned, and until K Street is dismantled with all lobbying activity being deemed illegal the US will continue with the pantomime of side show politics. The unfortunate fact is this, even if an ideological candidate made it to the house or senate, much less the presidency, they would be excluded from "the club" until they played along. If they remained idealistic they would turn into another John Quincy Adams presidency, or if a congress person, get nothing done ( since no one would support you) and be voted out the next election.

Its all about the money, its a crime our country is sold to the highest bidder and all our leaders are whores in one way or another.

BTW, I read something interesting the other day. It turns out the Thomas Jefferson who wrote "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" in retrospect thought those were the most selfish words he ever wrote and if he could he never would have wrote them. Interesting perspective from a very interesting man, I don't think I agree with his assessment but I do understand his point.

[TypeO]

I'd say that Thatcher and Reagan are two of the people most directly responable for us being in "this mess" right now.

I'm just trying to figure out how you got Major's quote under my name! lulz

[TypeO]

Until term limits are established, Citizens United ruling is overturned, and until K Street is dismantled with all lobbying activity being deemed illegal the US will continue with the pantomime of side show politics. The unfortunate fact is this, even if an ideological candidate made it to the house or senate, much less the presidency, they would be excluded from "the club" until they played along. If they remained idealistic they would turn into another John Quincy Adams presidency, or if a congress person, get nothing done ( since no one would support you) and be voted out the next election.

Its all about the money, its a crime our country is sold to the highest bidder and all our leaders are whores in one way or another.

Ahhh, common ground.
It exists.

Well said.

[DAS]

One is a successful businessman and governor, the other is a community organizer and short term senator who voted "present" a lot. If you don't like Romney that's valid but in no way shape or form do they "have the same track record".

Both were very liberal in the past. It is true that Romney actually had accomplished things before running and is less likely to completely destroy the country but he has a terrible record. I recall Romney passing the now national healthcare bill in his state. Besides being social conservatives worst nightmare as a porn pusher, insanely pro-abortion (though if I recall I think he opposed infanticide whereas Obama is the biggest infanticide supporter in the nation's history) and pro-gay marriage. I fail to see a large difference in foreign policy between the parties except that the current failure-and-chief runs around apologizing for our country and making a fool of himself but ultimately the adhere to the same policies. Iraq will be my example. Democrats wanted the war more than Republicans did but then when it became unpopular they said it was Bush's war because voters are to stupid remember. If you can show me in his track record (not what he says because I suspect politicians lie) why he is significantly different or better I will vote for him (even though it's pointless since no Democrat has won my state since Truman I believe).