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2012 American Presidential Election

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  1. 1. Who are you for?

    • Obama (US Citizen)
      25
    • Romney (US Citizen)
      25
    • Other Candidate (US Citizen)
      8
    • Not Voting (US Citizen)
      5
    • Obama (Non-US Citizen)
      15
    • Romney (Non-US Citizen)
      1
    • Other Candidate (Non-US Citizen)
      1
    • Don't Care (Non-US Citizen)
      4

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Since American politics have gotten a lot of attention lately I thought I'd post a poll and see who we're for. I even added polls for people from countries other than the USA so we can see what they think. Personally, I won't be voting this year because I think they are both bums.

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I too won't be voting. I have yet to vote at all, I'm 21. It's not that I don't care, its just that it wont make a difference. I live in a democratic state so our electoral votes will be going to Obama anyway, unless something goes horribly wrong. He hasn't been that bad, Romney is going to be way worse though.

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^ I vote but just haven't for president yet due to the fact both parties nominated losers. And personally I think for Romney to do a worse job there would have to be an actual difference in the two candidates. They both have the same track record, they just spew out different hot air imo.

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My vote is mostly against Obama, much like Obama spent much of the 2008 campaign emphasizing how he was "not Bush" (not even addressing the idiocy of that sentiment given Bush wasn't running).

That's why I feel not voting is a vote for Obama.

Romney isn't the optimal candidate, but he's a person I trust to do the right thing, as opposed to Obama's wish to "transform" America.

After almost 4 years, that's a transformation most people don't want.

And I'd like to see him choose Marco Rubio as his VP running mate.

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My political views are underdeveloped, and a little lofty. America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering. I'm going to bow out now as I see myself derailing this thread

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America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering.

Hear hear!

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Theodore Roosevelt, too bad he is not around today, we desperately need someone like him...or Jefferson, or Martin Van Buren.

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My political views are underdeveloped, and a little lofty. America needs a transformation but it needs to be the right one. People need to be educated to make decisions, just not swayed with buzz words and fear mongering. I'm going to bow out now as I see myself derailing this thread

This is one of the best positions I've seen on politics. It sees the problem and that campaign bs is just that yet it's not dogmatic and condescending.

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I'm voting for Obama... again.

In the great scheme of things it won't matter because I know how my state will go... but I'll vote anyway. Too many people have died in the past just so I could do so.

Feel free to trash away... not that my permission is needed. B)

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President Obowelmovement will not get my vote, but I live in CA so it doesn't really matter. Willard Romney is a disappointing choice from the Republican ticket.

I would like to see more emphasis on the races for Senate and the House. Those jackasses are every bit as responsible for the screwing up of our country and they don't get as much coverage as the POTUS race does. They need term limits and a mandatory retirement age.

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obama has nothing to run on; no accomplishments. His biggest so-called victory, obamacare, is the largest mandated tax hike ever on the American people! More than half dont want it! He has opened the boarders, disability has quadrupled, welfare and food stamps tripled, and wants to keep taxing and regulating business. He is a community organizor now running the countries budget! Its funny - there is nothing behind the cool sppeches and smile. He does not like America and is taking us down the wrong road! ALl he does is blame bush! Still! Well, his record is far worse than bush!! what have you done obama???? nothing! Hope and change: How's it working for you America?? FIRE this FAKE SOCIALIST.

Read up on the 20 big taxes YOU will be hit with with obama care. In short you will be paying MORE for LESS.

http://dcxposed.com/2012/06/29/taxed-to-death-obamacare-law-contains-20-hidden-tax-hikes/

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I just think it's a shame that people get old and crazy. If Thatcher and Reagan were still around, we wouldn't all be in this mess right now.

I'd say that Thatcher and Reagan are two of the people most directly responable for us being in "this mess" right now.

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I'm voting for Obama... again.

In the great scheme of things it won't matter because I know how my state will go... but I'll vote anyway. Too many people have died in the past just so I could do so.

Feel free to trash away... not that my permission is needed. B)

At least your honest. I can respect that.

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^ I vote but just haven't for president yet due to the fact both parties nominated losers. And personally I think for Romney to do a worse job there would have to be an actual difference in the two candidates. They both have the same track record, they just spew out different hot air imo.

One is a successful businessman and governor, the other is a community organizer and short term senator who voted "present" a lot. If you don't like Romney that's valid but in no way shape or form do they "have the same track record".

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Until term limits are established, Citizens United ruling is overturned, and until K Street is dismantled with all lobbying activity being deemed illegal the US will continue with the pantomime of side show politics. The unfortunate fact is this, even if an ideological candidate made it to the house or senate, much less the presidency, they would be excluded from "the club" until they played along. If they remained idealistic they would turn into another John Quincy Adams presidency, or if a congress person, get nothing done ( since no one would support you) and be voted out the next election.

Its all about the money, its a crime our country is sold to the highest bidder and all our leaders are whores in one way or another.

BTW, I read something interesting the other day. It turns out the Thomas Jefferson who wrote "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" in retrospect thought those were the most selfish words he ever wrote and if he could he never would have wrote them. Interesting perspective from a very interesting man, I don't think I agree with his assessment but I do understand his point.

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I'd say that Thatcher and Reagan are two of the people most directly responable for us being in "this mess" right now.

I'm just trying to figure out how you got Major's quote under my name! lulz

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Until term limits are established, Citizens United ruling is overturned, and until K Street is dismantled with all lobbying activity being deemed illegal the US will continue with the pantomime of side show politics. The unfortunate fact is this, even if an ideological candidate made it to the house or senate, much less the presidency, they would be excluded from "the club" until they played along. If they remained idealistic they would turn into another John Quincy Adams presidency, or if a congress person, get nothing done ( since no one would support you) and be voted out the next election.

Its all about the money, its a crime our country is sold to the highest bidder and all our leaders are whores in one way or another.

Ahhh, common ground.

It exists.

Well said.

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One is a successful businessman and governor, the other is a community organizer and short term senator who voted "present" a lot. If you don't like Romney that's valid but in no way shape or form do they "have the same track record".

Both were very liberal in the past. It is true that Romney actually had accomplished things before running and is less likely to completely destroy the country but he has a terrible record. I recall Romney passing the now national healthcare bill in his state. Besides being social conservatives worst nightmare as a porn pusher, insanely pro-abortion (though if I recall I think he opposed infanticide whereas Obama is the biggest infanticide supporter in the nation's history) and pro-gay marriage. I fail to see a large difference in foreign policy between the parties except that the current failure-and-chief runs around apologizing for our country and making a fool of himself but ultimately the adhere to the same policies. Iraq will be my example. Democrats wanted the war more than Republicans did but then when it became unpopular they said it was Bush's war because voters are to stupid remember. If you can show me in his track record (not what he says because I suspect politicians lie) why he is significantly different or better I will vote for him (even though it's pointless since no Democrat has won my state since Truman I believe).

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I'm just trying to figure out how you got Major's quote under my name! lulz

The autoquote function is clearly out to get you.

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Both were very liberal in the past. It is true that Romney actually had accomplished things before running and is less likely to completely destroy the country but he has a terrible record. I recall Romney passing the now national healthcare bill in his state. Besides being social conservatives worst nightmare as a porn pusher, insanely pro-abortion (though if I recall I think he opposed infanticide whereas Obama is the biggest infanticide supporter in the nation's history) and pro-gay marriage. I fail to see a large difference in foreign policy between the parties except that the current failure-and-chief runs around apologizing for our country and making a fool of himself but ultimately the adhere to the same policies. Iraq will be my example. Democrats wanted the war more than Republicans did but then when it became unpopular they said it was Bush's war because voters are to stupid remember. If you can show me in his track record (not what he says because I suspect politicians lie) why he is significantly different or better I will vote for him (even though it's pointless since no Democrat has won my state since Truman I believe).

Not quite: House vote: R 215-y & 6-n

D 82-y & 126-n

Senate vote: R 48-y & 1-n

D 29-y & 21-n

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I'm not necessarily talking about the actual vote count though without the Democrats support it could have never happened. Some of the leading voices in support of going to war were Democrats. It wasn't just Bush's war but they bailed on him to protect there own tails.

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Both were very liberal in the past. It is true that Romney actually had accomplished things before running and is less likely to completely destroy the country but he has a terrible record. I recall Romney passing the now national healthcare bill in his state. Besides being social conservatives worst nightmare as a porn pusher, insanely pro-abortion (though if I recall I think he opposed infanticide whereas Obama is the biggest infanticide supporter in the nation's history) and pro-gay marriage. I fail to see a large difference in foreign policy between the parties except that the current failure-and-chief runs around apologizing for our country and making a fool of himself but ultimately the adhere to the same policies. Iraq will be my example. Democrats wanted the war more than Republicans did but then when it became unpopular they said it was Bush's war because voters are to stupid remember. If you can show me in his track record (not what he says because I suspect politicians lie) why he is significantly different or better I will vote for him (even though it's pointless since no Democrat has won my state since Truman I believe).

Respectfully, I think you're attaching some things that have no relation to Romney, such as the Iraq vote, to his record. No, he's not the second coming of Reagan. But his stated goals include repealing Obamacare, true tax reform, and enacting business-friendly policies that will encourage growth and raise tax revenues the right way. Obama's stated goals include the biggest tax hike ever in Obamacare, another tax hike for couples making over $250K (hey, what happened to "millionaires and billionaires"?) and nearly 900,000 small businesses killing their ability to create jobs. And those are just the goals he's talking about, care to guess what he was alluding to in his "hot mic" moment with Medvedev?

You keep hearing this BS talking point that Massachusetts was "47th in job creation" under Romney. Pure spin from Axelrod and company, give this a look:

http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/07/10/mitt-romney-economic-record-massachusetts-outpaces-barack-obama-record/UXVVRMrD4Wf4dWdDb97mNI/story.html

If Romney goes after his goals and fails, at least he tried. Obama has already done great damage and it can get worse. Again, Romney's no Reagan but if you see what Obama has in store for the next four years you may kick yourself for voting to reelect him. Romney's shortcomings aside, let's stay on topic; there is no similarity in the two candidates stated views, track records, or philosophies. You can't make it sound like there's no difference between voting for one or the other. There's a reason no President has ever been reelected with unemployment over 7.4%. And the REAL unemployment number right now is actually in the teens! A fact Rachel Maddow and her ilk would be pointing out every night if McCain was in the White House.

My first hope was Mitch Daniels but he didn't run. But my boss, an ardent democrat and businessman, is considering Romney because Obama is hostile to business while Romney's track record with Bain and the Olympics is that of a winner and problem solver, regardless of what Obama and his mouthpieces have been saying. If you still think their track records are the same I'd advise you to dig a little deeper because they're not at all.

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I'm not necessarily talking about the actual vote count though without the Democrats support it could have never happened. Some of the leading voices in support of going to war were Democrats. It wasn't just Bush's war but they bailed on him to protect there own tails.

There wasn't much support at all for invading Iraq until bush put SoS Powell and his reputation out there with misleading, and I use that term loosely, information - to Congress and the UN. One of the reasons people were drawn to supporting this invasion was because there was an extreme amount of patriotism being capitalized on after 9-11 and an attitude of either you're with us or unpatriotic and against us. There was never room for debate during those times...this WAS only 10 years ago mind you. How can you not remember that DAS?

BTW, if Romney's record with Bain is so strong for everyone, outside of his cronies of course, then why is his campaign manager distancing the campaign from it and why also not referring to him as Govenor Romney?

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Respectfully, I think you're attaching some things that have no relation to Romney, such as the Iraq vote, to his record. No, he's not the second coming of Reagan. But his stated goals include repealing Obamacare, true tax reform, and enacting business-friendly policies that will encourage growth and raise tax revenues the right way. Obama's stated goals include the biggest tax hike ever in Obamacare, another tax hike for couples making over $250K (hey, what happened to "millionaires and billionaires"?) and nearly 900,000 small businesses killing their ability to create jobs. And those are just the goals he's talking about, care to guess what he was alluding to in his "hot mic" moment with Medvedev?

You keep hearing this BS talking point that Massachusetts was "47th in job creation" under Romney. Pure spin from Axelrod and company, give this a look:

http://bostonglobe.c...7mNI/story.html

If Romney goes after his goals and fails, at least he tried. Obama has already done great damage and it can get worse. Again, Romney's no Reagan but if you see what Obama has in store for the next four years you may kick yourself for voting to reelect him. Romney's shortcomings aside, let's stay on topic; there is no similarity in the two candidates stated views, track records, or philosophies. You can't make it sound like there's no difference between voting for one or the other. There's a reason no President has ever been reelected with unemployment over 7.4%. And the REAL unemployment number right now is actually in the teens! A fact Rachel Maddow and her ilk would be pointing out every night if McCain was in the White House.

My first hope was Mitch Daniels but he didn't run. But my boss, an ardent democrat and businessman, is considering Romney because Obama is hostile to business while Romney's track record with Bain and the Olympics is that of a winner and problem solver, regardless of what Obama and his mouthpieces have been saying. If you still think their track records are the same I'd advise you to dig a little deeper because they're not at all.

I agree that what Romney says for the most part sounds good. However, what he says now and how he governed Massachusetts are two different things. I just don't see him doing the things he says. Especially repealing the healthcare act he passed in his state. I'll be happier to see him win just because of how bad Obama is but I don't want my fingerprints on the train wreck known as the 2012 election. I'll watch from the sidelines.

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