The Rover Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Some person in my theatre busted out a lighter for stairway lol Back in the late 60's., I remember the local theater having a smoking section. When I went as teen with my parents, they sat in the smoking section, and I sat in the regular section No lighters at my showing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I saw the movie on Wednesday night in Paramus, New Jersey. Fabulous conditions, what with the digital IMAX technology. My only complaint was the choice of setlist. Yes, no setlist is going to please everyone, but I think one or two quieter, accoustic numbers would have added to the vibe. After all, this light and shade thing was what Zeppelin were all about. Don't get me wrong, I love the whole riff-heavy rock and roll stuff, but not when it's the whole show. Still haven't time to put my thoughts down but I did want to address a couple points. 1. Regarding the lack of acoustic songs. Live Aid and the Atlantic 40th Anniversary reunions were plagued by, among other issues, sound and technical problems. This time they wanted to do it right, and that included getting the sound up to snuff...even if that meant rethinking the choice of instruments and effects and amps they would use. If need be, they would revamp their entire rig, 70s sentimentality be damned. Hence...no Danelectro for Jimmy. Now, part and partial to all the sound issues that needed to be sorted was the venue itself, the O2 Arena. Being a fairly new arena, it had already gotten a reputation for having horrible acoustics for a concert. That's why Jimmy was checking out shows there, to try and figure out how best to utilize the O2. Now, there was already enough pressure on the band for this performance without throwing concern about the venue's acoustical properties into the mix. Whatever EQ levels and micing and speaker placement issues you sort out for a gig, you have to draw up a whole new set of figures if you decide to do acoustic numbers. It is my educated guess that with all the things they already had to worry about, including the 11th-hour injury to Jimmy's finger, why take further risk by introducing an entire new set of variables that an acoustic set would entail? 2. The volume problem. Knock on wood, I was lucky I didn't have the sound or picture glitches many of you have reported. My ears were ringing after leaving Theatre 5 at the AMC Universal Citywalk 18 Cinemas on Oct. 18. And while the screening on the 17th started low, by the end of Ramble On, it was fixed and the sound turned up. But I think the loudness issues definitely were because of a low sound mix on the movie. The reason I think this is that I've never had problems with low volume at that theatre before. I saw "Dark Knight" and "Dark Knight Returns" and "Prometheus" and any number of action movies at Universal Citywalk and it was always gut-punchingly loud. Before "Celebration Day" started, the Fathom Events ads were plenty loud. Then the movie started and it took until "Ramble On" to get the sound cranked. Then, when the movie was over and the final credits complete, the ads came back on and this time they were painfully loud....double the loudness they were at before the movie. This signals to me that "Celebration Day" either was mixed nearly 50% below the loudness levels of the typical Hollywood action movie, or it was a case of the sound from the hard drive being compromised somehow during its transmission. Of course, once the theatre realizes or has it brought to its attention that the sound is too low, it is up to them to turn it up! Shame on those theatres that were negligent in their duty and gave you a substandard presentation. But the problem originated from the low mix and Omniverse Vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 That's interesting Strider as it could have been the mix itself and not the fault of the individual theatres. It was fine where I saw it for the premiere in NYC and in CT as well (by the end of GTBT) it was perfect volume wise as was the mix with so much clarity with the individual instruments etc. Probably better than the NYC mix at the premiere at the Ziegfeld. Although, I gave a nice detailed review for the premiere, I still promise to give one for my second viewing as I promised you that. Just catching up with all of these posts on the forum the last several days, as there's been so much activity here and so much to go through. I guess, that's a good thing. Seems like, we have quite a few new members with the activity of Celebration Day over the past several days or so. All good and hope they contribute wisely...no trolls please! Really, looking forward to a great and detailed review from you Strider shortly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird1999us Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I went to the 6:30 showing at the Midtown Art Theater in Atlanta, GA last week. It was awesome! I called the next day and asked about the 27x40 theater poster and they still had it so I snagged it the next day! My buddy who went the same night to a seperate theater couldn't manage to get a theater poster from anyone since they'd all been accounted for... he wanted to trade me some other music stuff for the poster but no way am I giving it up! Here she is hanging in the theater...first thing I saw when I walked in: And in the back of my car! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Knebs Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 definitely need your review the Celebration Day volume level was certainly not pushed, punched and cut like for voice overs and trailers. It allows the quiet to be quiet and the thunder to be the thunder. Nearly everything today is over compressed and pushed and "leveled." The modern method is to kill the dynamic range in favor of artificially pushing quiet signals near the peak loud signals and shoving the peaks back toward the quiet, oh I just described 99% of streamed media and commercial media. Average or level out the signal- collateral damage is neutering a chunck of the artisianship. If it sounds good at the source, leave it the ef alone. Record the sound and stay out of the way. Down off the soap box now... Great points Strider. Really, looking forward to a great and detailed review from you Strider shortly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird1999us Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 definitely need your review the Celebration Day volume level was certainly not pushed, punched and cut like for voice overs and trailers. It allows the quiet to be quiet and the thunder to be the thunder. Nearly everything today is over compressed and pushed and "leveled." The modern method is to kill the dynamic range in favor of artificially pushing quiet signals near the peak loud signals and shoving the peaks back toward the quiet, oh I just described 99% of streamed media and commercial media. Average or level out the signal- collateral damage is neutering a chunck of the artisianship. If it sounds good at the source, leave it the ef alone. Record the sound and stay out of the way. Down off the soap box now... Great points Strider. Yep! Dead on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezer Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I just hope there are no audio issues on the Blu-ray release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 I just hope there are no audio issues on the Blu-ray release. I seriously doubt, there will be any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planted Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I watched in Millbury, MA at a new theater so sound was not a problem, IMHO. But, I'm no sound tech. ;-) The theater was packed, which was a pleasant surprise. I was also struck by the parents who brought their kids. Very cool. It reminded me of my Dad escorting me to Tom Petty earlier this year. As I was sitting in the theater I was immediately aware that I was attending this show alone which initially made me a little self conscious. Then the show began, WITHOUT ALL THE PREVIEWS. Yes! I felt like I was in a time machine and I was a teen again. Mind you, I was 13 in 1980 so I never had the opportunity to see them live, but I had a bad ass boyfriend in 9th grade who introduced me to this band called Led Zeppelin. There aren't many things I can thank him for, but I will be eternally grateful for his interest in music. (As an aside, we were students at Nipmuc Regional in Mendon, MA...where Aerosmith first hit the stage). After I got over the shock of how fuck'n delicious Robert looked, rubbing his mouth up against that microphone...yyyeeeeoooowwww, I regained my concentration and enjoyed how happy they all appeared to be on that stage. And how great they were. By the time Kashmir (one of the first songs I was able to recognize as LZ) played, I was in tears. I was completely captivated by these men and their talent, and their willingness to share it. And my face hurt from smiling. I love it when that happens. I walk in the door and my daughter is first to greet me with a question: 'Mom, did you cry?' 'Yeah'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowblue Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 And my face hurt from smiling. Almost: "Her face was cracked from smiling..." Lovely review. The days are dragging now for the DVD to come out to watch their talent and enjoyment over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Knebs Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 crazy kid here is trying to sell bootlegs of a Celebration Day on Craigs List... oh ehm ghee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebird1999us Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 crazy kid here is trying to sell bootlegs of a Celebration Day on Craigs List... oh ehm ghee Yeah there was a guy on ebay selling audience recorded bootlegs from like Yugoslavia for some ungodly amount of money on ebay. Way more than the $26 amazon charged me to preorder the deluxe cd/blu ray/dvd combo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planted Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Almost: "Her face was cracked from smiling..." Lovely review. The days are dragging now for the DVD to come out to watch their talent and enjoyment over again Hi shadowblue! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my post, even though it is a week late! There are so many great ones here to enjoy! This working for a living really cuts into my play time! Be well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 OK, after watching three times, here’s my review: Dates and Places · Premiere at Hammersmith 12th October · Greenwich PictureHouse 18th October · Westfield Vue 21st October (a day out with the TBL crew) My visit to the O2 Cineworld, right next to where they originally performed the gig, had to be cancelled, due to Pete Townshend scheduling his Q&A on the Celebration Day itself. That ticket went to my mate instead. Some general thoughts first: Difficult to imagine this could have been captured any better. Glad they didn't go for the 3D fad or anything like that. I’m curious as to what this would like on an IMAX screen though. The video and sound qualities are both what I would expect in the 21st century, and I didn't notice too many ‘improvements’. The thing that stood out most for me was witnessing the interaction between the guys on stage. It certainly looks like they all had a ball, especially when they were able to loosen up after the first couple of numbers. In comparison with TSRTS, obviously the earlier movie had the greatest drummer in the world behind the kit, and at that time they were all in their prime, with superb performances. Having said that, I could never really get into the fantasy sequences (I’m sure they could have filled in the gaps some other way), and it’s well documented they re-shot some of the footage. In Celebration Day, we have the advantage of a bunch of songs from Physical Graffiti and Presence, recorded with pinpoint accuracy. Although the Third Eye DVD and Blu-ray obviously couldn't match this, they have done a sterling job of filling the five-year gap, and capture the evening more faithfully (if less selectively) in a way…the feedback and a few of Robert’s plantations have been excised in the official version of events, as have Jason’s bit of solo singing, and his ‘not worthy’ bow at the end, but they were all part of what really happened, warts ‘n’ all. Compared with the concert itself, my perspective on the night, about 20 feet in front of the mixing desk was somewhat compromised by having to see over everybody’s heads, but I had a reasonable view most of the time, and could, of course, see everything happening on the screen behind the stage. The movie provides a deluxe view of proceedings, which was certainly missing from the Third Eye boot and YouTube footage. I had no issues at all with fixing the feedback, and as far as I could tell, at the end of Dazed and Confused, it just sounded like the drums had been pushed down in the mix, rather than actually re-recorded…I could be wrong on that count! Another difference which certainly can’t be reproduced was the fact that the moment they launched into Good Times, Bad Times was the climax of two nervous months for me; having scored my passcode on eBay I was constantly worried that things might go wrong, and the ticket be cancelled at the last moment! The Sunday and Monday, collecting the tickets and getting psyched up for finally seeing the band again after a 28 year wait, securing the spot on the floor of the arena, watching to the support acts…it was all part of the story. Celebration Day opens a couple of minutes before the first number, and believe me, by that time it felt like an aircraft you have been sitting in for ages had finally started taxiing up the runway! Some specifics: There were a few elements in Dazed and Confused that I felt were missing on screen. First of all, I’m sure I remember the whole arena being covered with lasers, which created an amazing atmosphere; this doesn't really come over in the film; maybe I’m looking back through rose-tinted spectacles? Secondly, I distinctly remember seeing Jimmy’s right hand turn into a blur at Knebworth…and the same thing happened for a couple of seconds at the O2. The movie cameras caught this to an extent, but not at the angle I saw on the projection behind the stage on the night. Finally, the sound during the bow solo as it echoed around the arena didn't come across for me in the same way , but that’s probably impossible to reproduce; a genuine ‘you had to be there’ moment. One slightly annoying thing for me at the gig was that the bass seemed a bit indistinct early on, especially as I picked a spot in the expectation that the sound balance would be best. The movie certainly gives JPJ the right emphasis in the mix. I sure didn't realize he was using a fretless bass, little details like that provides a far more comprehensive picture. As I mentioned, the close-ups allow a good indication as to the on-stage chemistry, much more than I was aware of. I've got to be honest, it seems like Robert, far from being the party-pooper who won’t allow them to reform, was actually the one having the most fun! Jimmy’s guitar is certainly a lot clearer than I've heard before. I suppose they had a direct feed from his amps; I would like to think that he hasn't interfered too much in this area. To sum up, no doubt I’ll notice even more once I have the time to study the DVD when it comes out, but I doubt I will ever match seeing it on the big screen, surrounded by other die-hard fans like at the Hammersmith premiere. Having the members of the band come on and introduce it really was the icing on the cake. P.S. Congratulations to all those in the audience who made it to the final cut. Who was that girl crying at the end of Kashmir, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hey ex-zep-fan, Some good news...Girls Aloud are reforming for a comeback tour, and I believe Justin Bieber is still touring! Lots for you to look forward to, while us boring old Zep fans mope about the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenbauer 6 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Some general thoughts first: Difficult to imagine this could have been captured any better. Glad they didn't go for the 3D fad or anything like that. Completely agree with you 101% on the gimmicky '3D' sh!t. That would've killed it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hecube Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Saw it again this evening. I won't do a lengthy review considering I'm not much good at writing and others have done a sterling job of reviewing the movie. That said, it was every bit as enjoyable as the first time I saw it, with the added bonus that I knew when to look for eye and ear candy (guitars and tricky playing spots). Side note: our theatre experienced a malfunction that was rather long that happened during "In my time of dying" (close to 40 minutes of troubleshooting). When they finally fixed it, they asked the audience where in the movie we wanted to start over. Everyone said: "Start the movie all over again!". Finally, for our trouble, they gave us vouchers for the same chain, anytime, anywhere, any movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowblue Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Compared with the concert... Some specifics: There were a few elements in Dazed and Confused that I felt were missing on screen. First of all, I’m sure I remember the whole arena being covered with lasers, which created an amazing atmosphere; this doesn't really come over in the film; maybe I’m looking back through rose-tinted spectacles? Secondly, I distinctly remember seeing Jimmy’s right hand turn into a blur at Knebworth…and the same thing happened for a couple of seconds at the O2. The movie cameras caught this to an extent, but not at the angle I saw on the projection behind the stage on the night. Finally, the sound during the bow solo as it echoed around the arena didn't come across for me in the same way , but that’s probably impossible to reproduce; a genuine ‘you had to be there’ moment. I've been thinking about this too. The experiences were so, so different for the same event. I saw much more in the movie, I felt much more at the concert. Not surprisingly, after meticulous re-mix and mastering, the sound was much more defined in the movie. I don't clearly recall the lasers in D&C but there are 2 'had to be there' moments for me, which I can almost pick up in the boot (I only have an audio), definitely not there in the movie (on 1 viewing): - In D&C when Jimmy turned around for the violin bow there was a collective gasp of "he's getting it" in the crowd around me. - In STH following Robert's line "and the forests will echo with laughter", there was an audience (around me anyway) spoken chorus of the TSRTS "does anybody remember laughter" - which Robert has wisely left to history. I'll need to see the DVD to try (again) to identify the backscreen moment which my fluked avatar captures. One concert moment (absent from Celebration Day, of course) which I'd be happier to not recall, was when the not-unexpected surge foward occurred at the start (I was about central floor) some 'well-ard' London (I presume, English anyway) bell-ends started throwing their weight, fists, elbows and shoulders around to get where they felt they were entitled. Coudn't believe it at such an event. I spent the first half of GTBT scrambling for some safer people to be around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 - In D&C when Jimmy turned around for the violin bow there was a collective gasp of "he's getting it" in the crowd around me. That reminds me of the roar of approval just before Jimmy launched into his first solo of the evening. I didn't notice it in the boots or in the movie. Maybe it was just the people around me, but I'm sure everybody was anticipating it... As for the lasers in D&C, you can certainly see the same kind of thing in the movie during Whole Lotta Love. Could be that I've got a bit Dazed and Confused myself, but the way I remember it, at a certain point in the song, the lasers started playing over the crowd as well as Jimmy. I suppose I could look through every bit of youtube footage to see if anyone else caught the moment, but I suspect life's too short! One concert moment (absent from Celebration Day, of course) which I'd be happier to not recall, was when the not-unexpected surge foward occurred at the start (I was about central floor) some 'well-ard' London (I presume, English anyway) bell-ends started throwing their weight, fists, elbows and shoulders around to get where they felt they were entitled. Coudn't believe it at such an event. I spent the first half of GTBT scrambling for some safer people to be around. Apologies for my fellow Limeys. I was on the floor too, from the sound of it a bit behind you, but didn't really notice too much pushing and shoving. No more than at any other gig of comparable size, so it was probably more to the fore as you got closer to the stage...Might have been an age thing, I was approaching 45 at the time, I'm not really up to forcing my way to the front anymore, I just felt lucky enough to be there in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuforte Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 May I ask just one question? Why would they use super 8 cameras in the movie? Since nobody seem to talk about them I guess they might be some sort of noble thing? Just asking for curiosity... I feel I am missing something to be unable to appreciate them popping out in a high definition movie. Besides, don't get me wrong, I've seen it twice and my blu ray copy is pre ordered. I completely loved the movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janvier Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 May I ask just one question? Why would they use super 8 cameras in the movie? There's some discussion in this other thread, from post #44 onwards: Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehwalled Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 is there a bootleg of the film out there yet? i can not wait until the dvd comes out. can.....not.....wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles J. White Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I saw the gig at the cinema in Halifax. It was a very moving, Page looked and sounded spectacular. At the end of every song, almost everyone in attendance at the cinema was clapping. At the end of the gig, everyone stood up and cheered. During Kashmir my eyes began to well up, it was the most powerful version of the song I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishhead Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I watched in Millbury, MA at a new theater so sound was not a problem, IMHO. But, I'm no sound tech. ;-) The theater was packed, which was a pleasant surprise. I was also struck by the parents who brought their kids. Very cool. It reminded me of my Dad escorting me to Tom Petty earlier this year. As I was sitting in the theater I was immediately aware that I was attending this show alone which initially made me a little self conscious. Then the show began, WITHOUT ALL THE PREVIEWS. Yes! I felt like I was in a time machine and I was a teen again. Mind you, I was 13 in 1980 so I never had the opportunity to see them live, but I had a bad ass boyfriend in 9th grade who introduced me to this band called Led Zeppelin. There aren't many things I can thank him for, but I will be eternally grateful for his interest in music. (As an aside, we were students at Nipmuc Regional in Mendon, MA...where Aerosmith first hit the stage). After I got over the shock of how fuck'n delicious Robert looked, rubbing his mouth up against that microphone...yyyeeeeoooowwww, I regained my concentration and enjoyed how happy they all appeared to be on that stage. And how great they were. By the time Kashmir (one of the first songs I was able to recognize as LZ) played, I was in tears. I was completely captivated by these men and their talent, and their willingness to share it. And my face hurt from smiling. I love it when that happens. I walk in the door and my daughter is first to greet me with a question: 'Mom, did you cry?' 'Yeah'. wow! great post amongst the great posts! Loved reading this..... thanks, Rich aka FishHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DayBender Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Date : October 25th 2012 Venue: Cineplex Odeon Niagara Falls Ontario Two days later and I still can't believe what I saw and heard...and I really can't put it into words...The venue was half full but man was it LOUD ...one ad and off we went ....it was an assault on the senses and only by Black Dog did it really start to cook for me and from then on it just picked up momentum like a freight train...Kashmir was most likely the highlight for me...one thing I did love was how the camera work made it seem so intimate ...the smiles...the gestures and nods...The audience was very restrained...but no worries there at least you could just soak it all in...they've added extra showings and I think I might just go again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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