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Well seeing you called it irrelevant ... allegations of a musical genius surfing kiddie porn for research or whatever have to be taken far more seriously than another musical genius not crediting an obscure music source from 1928 or 1968.. They're not even in the same ballpark..

One act is worthy of a cash settlement and some embarrassment ...

The other act is worthy of 10 years in jail and your name being mud for all eternity.

When discussing one's music , personal mishaps have no relevance.

In fact , it shows the lack of understanding and unease one has in there "musical genius" , that in there rebuttal of a certain artist stealing music , the biggest "no , no" amongst credible musicians , is to revert to one's personal life , as if it has any merit at all.

Which it very obviously does not.

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When discussing one's music , personal mishaps have no relevance.

In fact , it shows the lack of understanding and unease one has in there "musical genius" , that in there rebuttal of a certain artist stealing music , the biggest "no , no" amongst credible musicians , is to revert to one's personal life , as if it has any merit at all.

Which it very obviously does not.

I didn't defend Page's actions... Did I? I take copyright infringement very seriously. Some of the claims are ridiculous, traditional arrangement, public domain old folk songs that nobody knows who originated. Zeppelin made them into something completely different. Some claims are legit and have bothered me for a few years now...

The allegations made towards Townsend are far more serious. He admitted he tried to or did access a site with his credit card. He claims it was for research. The law accepted this and I sincerely hope that's what it was. But, I don't consider his personal mishap irrelevant at all. You do and that's what I reacted to. I would never support a musician who's into this crap is all I can say.

We obviously aren't going to come to an agreement "Sabbath" so this is all I'm going to say.

This is way too serious a subject to go back and forth about. I won't do it. Peace.

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How tasteless can you lot get to reduce an argument about the artistic merits of both Led Zep and The Who to the level of referring to Pete Townshend’s arrest for accessing child porn on the internet. Is that the justification and depth of your opinions and analysis on why Led Zep is better than The Who?

Pete Townshend was foolish without a doubt but was cleared was he not? However, I agree mud sticks. I can’t believe you lot have reduced a perfectly good argument to the level of what is worse: Child porn or plagiarism. I guess on that basis Led Zep is the better band.

No one has offered a convincing argument as to why Led Zep is the better band. I don’t really think it matters but Led Zep fans clearly do.

My argument was all about originality and the cultural significance of the 2 bands. I have already stated my opinion on both bands here. All I can be accused of is of being biased, which Led Zep fans clearly are.

All I have seen here is a limited depth of analysis on who is the better band. Then as soon as a fan of The Who has an opinion the argument has now been reduced to personal digs at Pete Townshend, and all because someone has had the audacity to point out Led Zep’s substantial indiscretions and borrowing of other musician’s ideas.

Admittedly everyone in the arts borrows from someone else as popular culture feeds on itself, however, Led Zep have been elevated to a status they hardly deserve. Led Zep had nothing to say except to offer except watered down versions (lyrically speaking) of Muddy Waters and Howlin Wolf songs.

Anyway according to some of you my opinions are irrelevant. If so why start this argument in the first place??????

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Ok lets try this John. Forget the stuff they plagiarised for now, and just listen to the original stuff. Still a pretty great body of work, no? I think so.

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How tasteless can you lot get to reduce an argument about the artistic merits of both Led Zep and The Who to the level of referring to Pete Townshend’s arrest for accessing child porn on the internet. Is that the justification and depth of your opinions and analysis on why Led Zep is better than The Who?

Pete Townshend was foolish without a doubt but was cleared was he not? However, I agree mud sticks. I can’t believe you lot have reduced a perfectly good argument to the level of what is worse: Child porn or plagiarism. I guess on that basis Led Zep is the better band.

No one has offered a convincing argument as to why Led Zep is the better band. I don’t really think it matters but Led Zep fans clearly do.

My argument was all about originality and the cultural significance of the 2 bands. I have already stated my opinion on both bands here. All I can be accused of is of being biased, which Led Zep fans clearly are.

All I have seen here is a limited depth of analysis on who is the better band. Then as soon as a fan of The Who has an opinion the argument has now been reduced to personal digs at Pete Townshend, and all because someone has had the audacity to point out Led Zep’s substantial indiscretions and borrowing of other musician’s ideas.

Admittedly everyone in the arts borrows from someone else as popular culture feeds on itself, however, Led Zep have been elevated to a status they hardly deserve. Led Zep had nothing to say except to offer except watered down versions (lyrically speaking) of Muddy Waters and Howlin Wolf songs.

Anyway according to some of you my opinions are irrelevant. If so why start this argument in the first place??????

I don't think your opinions are irrelevant. It's a preference.

Are you surprised to see most fans on a Led Zeppelin site prefer Led Zeppelin to The Who? If you come in here with guns blazing, you're going to the same reaction every time.. If I went on The Who.com and started shitting all over them... I'd get the same cool reception that you got here .. and you know this...

For me I'll try my best to offer an honest breakdown of the 2 bands.

Guitar - I consider Jimmy Page a better all around Guitarist, But Pete Townsend is perfect for The Who and an incredible Rhythm Guitarist. Townsend gave a lot of room for Keith Moon and John Entwistle to play around his solid rhythms.

Bass - I consider John Entwistle possibly the best rock Bassist of all time.. He had a style all is own that has never been duplicated. John Paul Jones is less adventurous and bombastic, but always very musical, melodic and the ultimate team player.

Keyboards - Jones no brainer there... Plus Orchestral arrangements ... a real musical genius here..

Vocals - I prefer Robert Plant but would certainly not get all offended at someone who prefers Roger Daltrey.. who's also very very good. I prefer Daltrey's not ad-libbing as much as Robert used to live.. He knew when to put the mike down and let the band rock..

Drums - I prefer John Bonham. He was solid and would play for the song, But he could also whip out stuff that Moon Baker and Mitchell couldn't ever dream of.. Some of Bonham's stuff sounds simple and basic till you try to play it. It's anything but. Keith Moon was like a stream of musical ideas and never played the same thing twice, he was always in pure react mode.. But he was hit or miss, At times unbelievably good and at times sloppy and erratic. His decline in the late 70's was far more obvious and sad (to me) than Bonham's.. Watch the Shepperton footage of Won't Get Fooled Again and Baba O'Riley and he's hanging on for dear life.. His playing on Young Man Blues is in my all time favorite drum footage. Bonham sounded excellent till the end.. He seemed to have lost some energy 1977 on but was still quite steady and powerful.

Production - Jimmy Page no outsiders..

Recorded output Studio .. Zeppelin.. The Who made some brilliant albums and some not quite so.. Who's Next is my favorite.. I will add I know every millisecond of Zeppelin's studio output, not so The Who.. But from I heard Zeppelin albums were more consistent.

Live Albums - The Who - I'll agree Live At Leeds is one of the all time great live albums... I actually prefer The Kids Are Alright, which is also one of my favorite Rock Documentaries. Jimmy Page did way too much editing with the live albums for my liking. I'll take a real 2 track bootleg over a "live album" messed with.

Songwriting - I'd rank Townsend as one of the best complete songwriters in rock .. He wrote 90+% of their music and lyrics..

But Page / Plant also wrote some amazing music. Your dismissal of them lyrically to me is odd when Plant wrote amazingly heartfelt lyrics like Ten Years Gone, Friends, In The Light, and All My Love I'm Gonna Crawl just to name a handful..

Plus, John Paul Jones added some brilliant ideas as well and a very strong songwriter ... as a one on one force Townsend is hard to beat but Zeppelin had more than one major songwriter...

Lasting impact - a tie.. The Who were loved by the Punk Rock movement while Zeppelin were hated. I'm not British so I won't pretend to know all about the Mod movement and what The Who meant to the Punk Rock Movement.. But yes they had a huge impact..

Led Zeppelin has influenced every hard rock band that has come along since their formation. Led Zeppelin has only increased their impact, legacy and legend by disbanding when John Bonham died.. I can almost understand The Who continuing without Moon.. but without Moon and Entwistle, it's just not right.

There...I think that's a pretty honest appraisal..

I prefer Zeppelin but also love and respect The Who.

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I don't think your opinions are irrelevant. It's a preference.

Are you surprised to see most fans on a Led Zeppelin site prefer Led Zeppelin to The Who? If you come in here with guns blazing, you're going to the same reaction every time.. If I went on The Who.com and started shitting all over them... I'd get the same cool reception that you got here .. and you know this...

For me I'll try my best to offer an honest breakdown of the 2 bands.

Guitar - I consider Jimmy Page a better all around Guitarist, But Pete Townsend is perfect for The Who and an incredible Rhythm Guitarist. Townsend gave a lot of room for Keith Moon and John Entwistle to play around his solid rhythms.

Bass - I consider John Entwistle possibly the best rock Bassist of all time.. He had a style all is own that has never been duplicated. John Paul Jones is less adventurous and bombastic, but always very musical, melodic and the ultimate team player.

Keyboards - Jones no brainer there... Plus Orchestral arrangements ... a real musical genius here..

Vocals - I prefer Robert Plant but would certainly not get all offended at someone who prefers Roger Daltrey.. who's also very very good. I prefer Daltrey's not ad-libbing as much as Robert used to live.. He knew when to put the mike down and let the band rock..

Drums - I prefer John Bonham. He was solid and would play for the song, But he could also whip out stuff that Moon Baker and Mitchell couldn't ever dream of.. Some of Bonham's stuff sounds simple and basic till you try to play it. It's anything but. Keith Moon was like a stream of musical ideas and never played the same thing twice, he was always in pure react mode.. But he was hit or miss, At times unbelievably good and at times sloppy and erratic. His decline in the late 70's was far more obvious and sad (to me) than Bonham's.. Watch the Shepperton footage of Won't Get Fooled Again and Baba O'Riley and he's hanging on for dear life.. His playing on Young Man Blues is in my all time favorite drum footage. Bonham sounded excellent till the end.. He seemed to have lost some energy 1977 on but was still quite steady and powerful.

Production - Jimmy Page no outsiders..

Recorded output Studio .. Zeppelin.. The Who made some brilliant albums and some not quite so.. Who's Next is my favorite.. I will add I know every millisecond of Zeppelin's studio output, not so The Who.. But from I heard Zeppelin albums were more consistent.

Live Albums - The Who - I'll agree Live At Leeds is one of the all time great live albums... I actually prefer The Kids Are Alright, which is also one of my favorite Rock Documentaries. Jimmy Page did way too much editing with the live albums for my liking. I'll take a real 2 track bootleg over a "live album" messed with.

Songwriting - I'd rank Townsend as one of the best complete songwriters in rock .. He wrote 90+% of their music and lyrics..

But Page / Plant also wrote some amazing music. Your dismissal of them lyrically to me is odd when Plant wrote amazingly heartfelt lyrics like Ten Years Gone, Friends, In The Light, and All My Love I'm Gonna Crawl just to name a handful..

Plus, John Paul Jones added some brilliant ideas as well and a very strong songwriter ... as a one on one force Townsend is hard to beat but Zeppelin had more than one major songwriter...

Lasting impact - a tie.. The Who were loved by the Punk Rock movement while Zeppelin were hated. I'm not British so I won't pretend to know all about the Mod movement and what The Who meant to the Punk Rock Movement.. But yes they had a huge impact..

Led Zeppelin has influenced every hard rock band that has come along since their formation. Led Zeppelin has only increased their impact, legacy and legend by disbanding when John Bonham died.. I can almost understand The Who continuing without Moon.. but without Moon and Entwistle, it's just not right.

There...I think that's a pretty honest appraisal..

I prefer Zeppelin but also love and respect The Who.

You have misunderstood my point completely , with your last comments in response to mine .... but no worries and respect.

As for this above post here , fantastic breakdown , not that I necessarily agree , especially in respect to Moon , but regardless great efforts and post!

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No one has offered a convincing argument as to why Led Zep is the better band.

Here is your fucking convincing argument that you want someone to offer you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y

The greatest live band that has ever been and most likely will ever be!

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Thank you The Chase for the first convincing argument I have seen on here. Charles White has offered up Kashmir. Thank you but like Led Zep you have nothing to say, Apart from swearing and displaying rage as an answer that you hope will convince YOU that Led sep are so great. This has become a siege mentality on here. An argument I can't win and quite frankly I don't care.

Look at the arguments that you lot have dared to create without a plausible answer. Led Zep V The Doors, Led Zep V ACDC. Then Led Zep V The Who. Without considering the simple fact that all these bands come from different eras, cultures and backgrounds. These bands if you care to think for just one moment are subject to their own particular back ground and culture.

Yet the question, which the fans of Led Zep have dared to ask has been queried and they react with anger. I can understand that to some extent as it is (in their own minds) a personal attack on your own thought process. It is an argument you have created on this forum, and apart from The Chase you lot have failed to answer and have been thoroughly exposed for the limited knowledge of music that you clearly have.

Sometimes the truth is painful. I am certainly not saying that my argument is true. it is just my opinion. But from what I can see on this forum you lot have shown blind ignorance and even though you lot beg the question, you hate the fact that anyone differs from your limited opinion.

Anyway this argument is so boring. Why compare bands in the first place??? If you understood music then you would surely realise that music is subject to cultural differences, time, place etc??? Do you really want me to explain this??????

Led Zep are an English band but yet they look to America for what they think is the authentic blues. So this is what they come up with. 'been dazed and confused for so long it's not true, wanted a woman, never bargained for you, lots of people talking, few of them know'.

I can't continue with the rest of the lyrics because they are so generic and ridiculously boring.

All I wish to say is thank you for asking this question, which i am sure you lot will answer with such venom and anger. I bet you throw Pete Townshend's indiscretion with child porn on the internet into the equation. Simply because you have nothing to say. The Chase, however, has had the decency and the heart and dignity to give a plausible answer to the question that has been asked without resorting to play ground euphemisms.

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Here is your fucking convincing argument that you want someone to offer you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-MdiUm1_Y

The greatest live band that has ever been and most likely will ever be!

Not even a top 5 live act of the 70's alone , I can think of many who blew them completely off the stage , with far more structure and less sloppy play .... but Zeppelin certainly came guns a blazing to do there very best , Page always saw to that , Zep was and is his baby.

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So boring. What have you got to say? Led Zep are blues plagiarists???? You will completely ignore whatever I say just to prove your point. So what do you do?????? Post Kashmir again. Is this really the best you can come up with?????

This is not an argument I am even interested in but somehow I have been caught up in it. I can almost guarantee that YOU know nothing about music However, keep screaming and shouting as I am sure by your complete rage (like a school bully) and anger you will get your point across to absolutely no interest from anyone apart from your own one sided comrades on this website.

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I don't think your opinions are irrelevant. It's a preference.

Are you surprised to see most fans on a Led Zeppelin site prefer Led Zeppelin to The Who? If you come in here with guns blazing, you're going to the same reaction every time.. If I went on The Who.com and started shitting all over them... I'd get the same cool reception that you got here .. and you know this...

For me I'll try my best to offer an honest breakdown of the 2 bands.

Guitar - I consider Jimmy Page a better all around Guitarist, But Pete Townsend is perfect for The Who and an incredible Rhythm Guitarist. Townsend gave a lot of room for Keith Moon and John Entwistle to play around his solid rhythms.

Bass - I consider John Entwistle possibly the best rock Bassist of all time.. He had a style all is own that has never been duplicated. John Paul Jones is less adventurous and bombastic, but always very musical, melodic and the ultimate team player.

Keyboards - Jones no brainer there... Plus Orchestral arrangements ... a real musical genius here..

Vocals - I prefer Robert Plant but would certainly not get all offended at someone who prefers Roger Daltrey.. who's also very very good. I prefer Daltrey's not ad-libbing as much as Robert used to live.. He knew when to put the mike down and let the band rock..

Drums - I prefer John Bonham. He was solid and would play for the song, But he could also whip out stuff that Moon Baker and Mitchell couldn't ever dream of.. Some of Bonham's stuff sounds simple and basic till you try to play it. It's anything but. Keith Moon was like a stream of musical ideas and never played the same thing twice, he was always in pure react mode.. But he was hit or miss, At times unbelievably good and at times sloppy and erratic. His decline in the late 70's was far more obvious and sad (to me) than Bonham's.. Watch the Shepperton footage of Won't Get Fooled Again and Baba O'Riley and he's hanging on for dear life.. His playing on Young Man Blues is in my all time favorite drum footage. Bonham sounded excellent till the end.. He seemed to have lost some energy 1977 on but was still quite steady and powerful.

Production - Jimmy Page no outsiders..

Recorded output Studio .. Zeppelin.. The Who made some brilliant albums and some not quite so.. Who's Next is my favorite.. I will add I know every millisecond of Zeppelin's studio output, not so The Who.. But from I heard Zeppelin albums were more consistent.

Live Albums - The Who - I'll agree Live At Leeds is one of the all time great live albums... I actually prefer The Kids Are Alright, which is also one of my favorite Rock Documentaries. Jimmy Page did way too much editing with the live albums for my liking. I'll take a real 2 track bootleg over a "live album" messed with.

Songwriting - I'd rank Townsend as one of the best complete songwriters in rock .. He wrote 90+% of their music and lyrics..

But Page / Plant also wrote some amazing music. Your dismissal of them lyrically to me is odd when Plant wrote amazingly heartfelt lyrics like Ten Years Gone, Friends, In The Light, and All My Love I'm Gonna Crawl just to name a handful..

Plus, John Paul Jones added some brilliant ideas as well and a very strong songwriter ... as a one on one force Townsend is hard to beat but Zeppelin had more than one major songwriter...

Lasting impact - a tie.. The Who were loved by the Punk Rock movement while Zeppelin were hated. I'm not British so I won't pretend to know all about the Mod movement and what The Who meant to the Punk Rock Movement.. But yes they had a huge impact..

Led Zeppelin has influenced every hard rock band that has come along since their formation. Led Zeppelin has only increased their impact, legacy and legend by disbanding when John Bonham died.. I can almost understand The Who continuing without Moon.. but without Moon and Entwistle, it's just not right.

There...I think that's a pretty honest appraisal..

I prefer Zeppelin but also love and respect The Who.

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When I listen to songs like In the Light, Kashmir, All My Love, In The Evening, Hot Dog - it just seems to let my mind wander in a way that would never happen with The Who. In general terms Robert is a much better singer from a phrasing perspective, has a better range, and better baritone, and more importantly actually writes his own lyrics for the most part unlike Roger. Jimmy Page has recorded everything from the Sitar (and a much better player of the sitar compared to George Harrison), he worked magic with the bow, he rocked the banjo, and came up with some very funky and amazing slide guitar work with In My Time of Dying, his mandolin work on Battle of Evermore is excellent, and wrote the book on crunchy riffs, I can't imagine how anyone would ever compare Peter to Jimmy, but again, most people don't, most people know Jimmy was the master, in fact Jimmy played guitar work on some early Who songs, and of course besides Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page is the guy who most rock guy guitar guys have been influenced by. And again, John Bonham is the king of rock drummers as most rock drummers love Bonham. John Paul Jones was very much like Page, a guy who worked the studio, and his solo projects outside of Zeppelin have been excellent and interesting.

Led Zeppelin were not a blues band, they were a band who embraced all types of music, it is there for you to hear but you have to be willing to listen to the music.

Besides the fact that Zeppelin came up with Kashmir puts them in a league of their own, unlike The Who, Kashmir is one of those songs which transcends the rock genre and people who are not even into rock music recognize it.

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And for the record the intro to Stairway to Heaven is NOT the same guitar bit as Taurus

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No offence John, but the fact that some of us haven't responded to your challenge is more a reflection of our indifference to your approach, than a lack of something to say. I have to want to participate, yet everytime I try, I realize that I don't have to explain myself, nor do I want to. You've come, and you will go, and life will carry on. In the meantime, I can only respect your decision to like what you like. I have decided to like what I like, and with total confidence, I don't think twice about those who don't concur. Led Zeppelin vs The Who is an all encompassing topic. It is broad and does not state that all comments must pertain to music. The fact that Townshend is a shameful pervert is very much on topic, despite your disdain for those who raised the issue.

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Please do get your facts right Charles White. Jimmy Page did not play on any songs by The Who. It was rumoured that Page played on I Can't Explain but he did not.

I knew eventually knew that someone would lower the tone and refer to Pete Townshend as a pervert. I was not surpassed at all, which sums up the mind set of some people Then the Dark Lord your comment 'the fact that Townshend is a shameful pervert is very much on topic' He was cleared of any wrong doing. But I guess you lot want to believe it so there is no point in arguing about that. However, I am sure you lot will all comment on this as a means of digressing from the original question.

The Dark Lord. Your comment barely disguises your anger and I do not have disdain for those who raised the issue. I was answering the question that was asked on this forum.

Anyway lets agree to disagree on this subject. You all like a self indulgent and bloated rock band and I think they are criminally over rated but certainly not talentless.

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And for the record the intro to Stairway to Heaven is NOT the same guitar bit as Taurus

The first three notes of the intro clearly and undeniably are. Well that's how I've heard it for the past forty years...Just those first three notes, that's all.

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Please do get your facts right Charles White. Jimmy Page did not play on any songs by The Who. It was rumoured that Page played on I Can't Explain but he did not.

I knew eventually knew that someone would lower the tone and refer to Pete Townshend as a pervert. I was not surpassed at all, which sums up the mind set of some people Then the Dark Lord your comment 'the fact that Townshend is a shameful pervert is very much on topic' He was cleared of any wrong doing. But I guess you lot want to believe it so there is no point in arguing about that. However, I am sure you lot will all comment on this as a means of digressing from the original question.

The Dark Lord. Your comment barely disguises your anger and I do not have disdain for those who raised the issue. I was answering the question that was asked on this forum.

Anyway lets agree to disagree on this subject. You all like a self indulgent and bloated rock band and I think they are criminally over rated but certainly not talentless.

John , love your passion for The Who , i enjoy them very much myself , fantastic artist!

As are Zeppelin , very talented in there own right , sound musicians with a solid stage presence.

I tend to agree with much of what you have to offer , and without question in the world of grading artist , one's personal life has zero significance at all in the outcome.... where that came from is just a lack of understanding of how people miss view musicianship , very common in fact.... I'm sure the individual who came up with that quote , meant no harm.

As for The Dark Lord , he is a genuine man with a true love , backed up with impeccable knowledge for the band he loves .... He deserves nothing but strong respect , for he is the real deal.

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John , love your passion for The Who , i enjoy them very much myself , fantastic artist!

As are Zeppelin , very talented in there own right , sound musicians with a solid stage presence.

I tend to agree with much of what you have to offer , and without question in the world of grading artist , one's personal life has zero significance at all in the outcome.... where that came from is just a lack of understanding of how people miss view musicianship , very common in fact.... I'm sure the individual who came up with that quote , meant no harm.

As for The Dark Lord , he is a genuine man with a true love , backed up with impeccable knowledge for the band he loves .... He deserves nothing but strong respect , for he is the real deal.

You keep harping on this point.. I get it. We all get it... It doesn't make his music any different.,.

Let me clarify how I feel. I wouldn't support an artist into this crap. period.. no matter how good their music was.

If proven true, it would negatively affect how I feel about him (or her) and their art form..

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Deleted in the interest of peace and respect. Thanks Doc.

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You keep harping on this point.. I get it. We all get it... It doesn't make his music any different.,.

Let me clarify how I feel. I wouldn't support an artist into this crap. period.. no matter how good their music was.

If proven true, it would negatively affect how I feel about him (or her) and their art form..

Interesting , and with all due respect , I entirely understand your viewpoint and don't much disagree .... but I have in no way harped on any particular point , much like washing your hands after going to the bathroom .... my words were more than appropriate for the conversation presented.

My point of fact , was only conclusive to the misguided information , as given .... and that was just ONE time , in response to the "irrelevant" words quoted by one Mr. White on an unrelated to music matter , which you then decided to rebuttal.

Here n now , with my first response directed toward the original directee , Mr. McNally .... it is only "relevant" and "appropriate" to , for only the second time , but toward McNally "the first" ... show I am in total conclusive agreement with him , for any other assertion would be ignorant to the facts at hand .... before I relayed my viewpoint for McNally not to f**k with The Dark Lord , as he is the man!

I'm sorry if this is sensitive material for you , but do not falsely accuse my words for something they are not. Thanks brother

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Interesting , and with all due respect , I entirely understand your viewpoint and don't much disagree .... but I have in no way harped on any particular point , much like washing your hands after going to the bathroom .... my words were more than appropriate for the conversation presented.

My point of fact , was only conclusive to the misguided information , as given .... and that was just ONE time , in response to the "irrelevant" words quoted by one Mr. White on an unrelated to music matter , which you then decided to rebuttal.

Here n now , with my first response directed toward the original directee , Mr. McNally .... it is only "relevant" and "appropriate" to , for only the second time , but toward McNally "the first" ... show I am in total conclusive agreement with him , for any other assertion would be ignorant to the facts at hand .... before I relayed my viewpoint for McNally not to f**k with The Dark Lord , as he is the man!

I'm sorry if this is sensitive material for you , but do not falsely accuse my words for something they are not. Thanks brother

you kind of lost me... I agree with you. It doesn't affect the music.. It affects how I would feel about the music..No other implications were made.

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who ever said like a led ballon still must feel like a idiot what taient they must have notttttttt

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I also feel it is time to put to bed one more lie that has been spread by some on this thread, Stairway to Heaven: does anyone know the difference between descending and ascending when it comes to picking? Stairway to Heaven was not stolen from Taurus, but a lot of people have never taken the time to understand the difference between the two songs when 'the bit' in question that so many people think is the same, is in fact not the same: descending vs ascending when it comes to the picking of the notes...

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About the Stairway to Heaven Plagerism, I shall settle this once and for all.

Here is the Stairway to Heaven Intro:

E-------5-7-----7-|-8-----8-2-----2-|-0---------0-----|-----------------|
B-----5-----5-----|---5-------3-----|---1---1-----1---|-0-1-1-----------|
G---5---------5---|-----5-------2---|-----2---------2-|-0-2-2-----------|
D-7-------6-------|-5-------4-------|-3---------------|-----------------|
A-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-2-0-0---0--/8-7-|
E-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|

And here is the Taurus intro:

E|------------------------------------------5---5----------------------|
B|------5-------5-------5-------5-------5-------3----------------------|
G|----5-------5-------5-------5-------5---5-----3----------------------|
D|--7-----7-6-----6-5-----5-4-----4-3-------3-3---3-0---------5/6------|
A|--------------------------------------------------------0------------|
E|---------------------------------------------------------------------|

As you can see, apart from the first 3 notes, it is completely different.

And I have played these both on Guitar to check, and they DO sound different

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About the Stairway to Heaven Plagerism, I shall settle this once and for all.

Here is the Stairway to Heaven Intro:

E-------5-7-----7-|-8-----8-2-----2-|-0---------0-----|-----------------|

B-----5-----5-----|---5-------3-----|---1---1-----1---|-0-1-1-----------|

G---5---------5---|-----5-------2---|-----2---------2-|-0-2-2-----------|

D-7-------6-------|-5-------4-------|-3---------------|-----------------|

A-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-2-0-0---0--/8-7-|

E-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|

And here is the Taurus intro:

E|------------------------------------------5---5----------------------|

B|------5-------5-------5-------5-------5-------3----------------------|

G|----5-------5-------5-------5-------5---5-----3----------------------|

D|--7-----7-6-----6-5-----5-4-----4-3-------3-3---3-0---------5/6------|

A|--------------------------------------------------------0------------|

E|---------------------------------------------------------------------|

As you can see, apart from the first 3 notes, it is completely different.

And I have played these both on Guitar to check, and they DO sound different

Yup, like I said "three notes".......

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