Mr. Hudson Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The man was a BORN leader and he applied those inborn skills to his instrument of choice and lead the band extremely well. As much as Jimmy Page is thought of as the leader, and of course they were all equals in what they did together, I saw Jimmy Page as more of sculptor, an advisor, and a poet. To me John Bonham was the man of action - his stamp of authority can be heard on each of the songs. To call Led Zeppelin a guitarist's band is only partly true. This was/is a musician's band, but in reality it is pure drum porn. My opinion is most likely based upon fantasy... what are your opinions on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Yeah, I mean Bonham put the band together, wrote most of the songs, and produced the recordings, so of course he was the leader. Oh, hang on a minute... I'm thinking of someone else Only kidding - and no offence intended! Joking aside, I think you could perhaps make an argument for Bonham being a "musical director" at times on stage, where he was in charge of the time keeping, and the tempos, but even there, Zeppelin is one of those bands where each member is the "leader" at different times during a concert: at times they're following Page, at times they're following Bonham, at times they're following Plant, and at times they're following Jones - it was symbiotic, not one of those situations where one guys is simply in change and that's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtiphi Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 When ever I wasn't playing air guitar I was air drumming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 As much as I love Bonham, I must respectfully disagree. All of the members were equally talented and had their own moments to shine at any point. Page might have mixed most of their albums and virtually formed the band, but he still isn't as important is Plant, Bonham, or Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Uh, no, Bonham was not the leader. Not even close. Great drummer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Bonham asserted himself at live shows for sure! Jimmy couldn't shake him no matter how fast he played. Check the Texas Pop Fest version of Dazed, that should be Pagie's song but no matter what he plays Bonham ALWAYS answers back and takes it a little further. For more proof just listen to The Song Remains the Same from the 6/21/77 LA show! All the great bands are teams of equals working to support each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I've always considered Bonzo to be more of an integral individualist as opposed to a leader, similar to Neil Peart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I've always considered Bonzo to be more of an integral individualist as opposed to a leader, similar to Neil Peart. Yup, that about sums it up. Also, I thought by leader, we were talking about the bigger picture, and not just musical contributions. Page was clearly the leader outside of the studio, and off of the stage, and I would argue, in both of the aforementioned venues as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hudson Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yup, that about sums it up. Also, I thought by leader, we were talking about the bigger picture, and not just musical contributions. Page was clearly the leader outside of the studio, and off of the stage, and I would argue, in both of the aforementioned venues as well. But Bonzo was big, and strong and had a far away look in his eye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mah61 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 without Bonham there was no band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Without any of the four there would have been no Led Zeppelin. Bonzo was an amazing drummer, but he was no leader, as Steve said he was an individualist. If Bonzo were the leader of Zeppelin the majority of their music would have sounded like 60's Motown and 70's funk. Without a doubt Bonham would have been quite at home as James Brown's or Parliament's drummer. Why do you think Tony Thompson was considered for a re-formed Zeppelin in 85'? Because he was a funk player, just like Bonham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 There is also of course the historical fact that Bonham (and Plant) was initially brought in on salary and thus impossible to be considered the leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 ^^^^^ Yes, but that was right at the beginning when Page put up the money to get them going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 ^^^^^ Yes, but that was right at the beginning when Page put up the money to get them going. Thereby reinforcing the point that Page called the shots, and others took direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DewieCox Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 They all pulled their fair share of weight, but Page is clearly the leader, in all aspects. Did the majority of the songwriting, had the vision for the direction of the band, selected the players, was a relative taskmaster in the studio and live. Just watching them play live it's obvious. Page is constantly giving little looks and gestures during the improvisations. He simply does what the leader does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfilm Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 All of the members were equal. Page may have started the band and was the "leader" in the beginning, but by the time they broke up, Zeppelin were all accomplished musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hudson Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 I see Robert Plant as Alexander the Great, Jimmy Page as the great Zhuge Liang, John Paul Jones as the Duke of Wellington, and John Bonham as William Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matjaz1 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 They were all equally important, but it's very obvious that Bonham is SO many times, literally following Jimmy in his drumming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzoso Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 As many have noted, Jimmy Page was the Founder, Originator and "Leader" of the "New Yardbirds". Jimmy Page had the Experience, Knowledge, etc... that the others did not (excluding John Baldwin, aka, John Paul Jones). I would say that behind a Great Man and Leader is another Great Man and Leader and that Man was Mr. Peter Grant. I believe that Page and Grant had the Experience, Knowledge, etc... to take Rock and Roll to a new and very Powerful level (which They did). As much as I Love John Henry Bonham (RIP), He was not the "Leader" of Led Zeppelin. They were four among "Equals" but I think that Jimmy Page (and Peter) ran the whole show up until (maybe 1977). Just MY thoughts and opinions on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZEP Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jimmy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Considering the number of times Bonzo followed the beat, this is a funny thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 From the Knebworth booklet of Led Zeppelin DVD: "What the early punks said it was self-indulgent they miss the point," says Plant."It was just the opposite:to achieve what we did stage,it took a lot of personal restraint.It was this comfortless form.Everybody was the personal captain of the ship at one time or another,..." That is live. Studio?Perhaps a different but not much. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jimmy designed the car, but Bonzo was the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hudson Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Considering the number of times Bonzo followed the beat, this is a funny thread. Drums would have to follow the other instruments in order for the music to make sense, and vice versa for the other instruments, but he really lead the way. He was pushing and pulling more than the rest musically, and live he was a monster. He'd take command more than a back seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Page was the leader, though by ITTOD Plant was the leader. Page might have been the leader on those earlier albums, but without the MONSTER rhythm section behind him.... Like others said, this is one example where the sum of the parts is far greater than each individual's contribution. So for math, we would say each member equals 1, but the band equals 7. Just the sheer energy of the interplay added so much to the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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