Mithril46 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I think the main thing here is that regardless of some minor POSSIBLY murky defendant "isms", the judge himself from the start realized the preposterous nature of this case and was quickly practically obstructing the plaintiffs. As he should. Actually maybe in the future when Page or Plant (Jones too) decompress, this thing may actually be a source of hilarity and totally misplaced effort from the plaintiffs. On cheapness, pretty sure Jimmy threw a huge bash for Charlotte's 30th birthday, but those were the heroin days, he wasn't even present. As far as sweet loyalty, even addicted, etc., Charlotte got some debilitating illness, and even though they were drifting apart, Jimmy said he felt an obligation to take care of her, I find that very admirable, regardless of other indiscretions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 23 minutes ago, Mithril46 said: the judge himself from the start realized the preposterous nature of this case and was quickly practically obstructing the plaintiffs. As he should. Maybe, but then why would he even let the case go to trial in the first place? Another possibility is that the judge was aware of the antics of the plaintiff's lawyer and tried to allow him very little latitude to engage in those antics. After all, if he didn't know what kind of clownish buffoon of a lawyer he was dealing with before this case, he must have when he got the legal filings printed out in the Led Zeppelin font. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 5 hours ago, Balthazor said: That may be, but I was talking more about the charities than Pages personal finances. Wolfe's sisters are out there crying as if losing this lawsuit is going to deny their great and wonderful charity all this money with which to help so many children. It came off to me like they were saying "these evil greedy rich rock stars are hurting the children!" I was just pointing out that Page has been involved with a children's charity which kinda makes the Randy California Project pale by comparison. Or, in short, that Randy's gorgon sisters can go stuff it. And also add in Jimmy's generosity got him recognition from Queen Elizabeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, KellyGirl said: And also add in Jimmy's generosity got him recognition from Queen Elizabeth. Indeed, whereas the Randy California Project got the recognition of...well...probably less than a dozen people in the entire world up until this trial occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L. Gibson Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Its scary because Gary Klusner the judge and its talk about a spirt klue is the spirit and the stairway to heaven klue is near shit why does it all jive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 http://www.kshe95.com/news/real-rock-news/spirit-attorney-says-they-will-appeal-led-zeppelin-ruling Somebody tell me the court will shut this down and tell Malofiy to get a new hobby. Francis and Skidmore are putting on their big boy underpants, and are appealing. Malofiy hinted at this the moment the jury sided with Led Zeppelin, so this is not shocking to read. It's a copyright infringement case where Led Zeppelin were proven innocent. It's not a child killing rapist case where somebody got off on a technicality and it's being appealed because you want to make sure the sicko goes to prison. No these are people who want Jimmy Page and Robert Plant to pad their wallet. Where is Randy's son in all of this? Randy's trust and who is in charge sounds like it's a mess. Shouldn't things be in his sons name. I haven't followed up on this when skimming through the court docs. that were linked to us, so maybe the answers are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea41 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) I guess these idiots have tons of money to waste trying to milk money they didn' t earn. Gold digging losers with ZERO talent of their own. They need to face the fact that they lost, let it go, and get a job, instead of trying to extort Zeppelin with sob stories from 45 years ago...the songs sound nothing alike, not even the 3 notes (!) in question. They only wish Taurus sounded anything like Stairway... Edited June 28, 2016 by Tea41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepDomi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Did Led Zeppelin really win this case on a technicality, like Malofiy is claiming? I thought the judge just followed the rules and procedures of a standard copy write infringement case and it's not like he gave special treatment to Page & Plant because they are big rock stars. Anyway, I think that appealing this case and having the jury's verdict overturned would be very difficult. Edited June 28, 2016 by ZepDomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 hours ago, KellyGirl said: It's not a child killing rapist case where somebody got off on a technicality and it's being appealed because you want to make sure the sicko goes to prison. Just wanted to nitpick, but the example you're describing is "double-jeopardy" and can't happen in a criminal trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, ZepDomi said: Did Led Zeppelin really win this case on a technicality, like Malofiy is claiming? I thought the judge just followed the rules and procedures of a standard copy write infringement case and it's not like he gave special treatment to Page & Plant because they are big rock stars. Anyway, I think that appealing this case and having the jury's verdict overturned would be very difficult. I would agree. There would have to be some basis for appeal beyond what Malofiy is whining about. If the sheet music was all that was filed for the Taurus copyright then that should be all that can legally be used. I can't imagine any judge allowing an appeal to go forward based only on that. Bear in mind that just because Malofiy said on some talk show that they were going to appeal doesn't necessarily make it true. The guy is clearly a loose cannon, and could just be mouthing off to keep his name in the news. Until there's some kind of official confirmation I'd take anything he says with a planet-sized grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juxtiphi Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/24/2016 at 1:02 PM, AnotherNewMember said: Did Led Zeppelin really win this case on a technicality, like Malofiy is claiming? Yes, The technicality in question is the fact that Stairway and Taurus are not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercurious Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, juxtiphi said: Yes, The technicality in question is the fact that Stairway and Taurus are not the same. It's so pathetic. four $@% notes that aren't played the same way, don't sound very similar and go off in different directions. This whole thing is an unholy farce, except maybe for this great discussion we've been having. I just re-read through, and this thread has been quite a good read. Thank you everyone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 54 minutes ago, Balthazor said: Just wanted to nitpick, but the example you're describing is "double-jeopardy" and can't happen in a criminal trial. Oh no of course not. Haha Just being 'over dramatic' with the whole child rapist appeal example. Civil and criminal cases most definitely different. A bit over the top on how Malofiy and his client are playing up the Randy was a victim of those evil meanies Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, and now they are getting away with their awful misdeeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 1 hour ago, KellyGirl said: Oh no of course not. Haha Just being 'over dramatic' with the whole child rapist appeal example. Civil and criminal cases most definitely different. A bit over the top on how Malofiy and his client are playing up the Randy was a victim of those evil meanies Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, and now they are getting away with their awful misdeeds. Was any less ever expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) If Malofiy does file to appeal, the Zep attorneys would likely file what is called a vexatious litigant motion to quash the appeal. Since the vexatious litigant argument originated in California to stop such ridiculous appeals, they (Zep) would likely prevail. BTW this was around for years but only applied during existing cases, now it is being applied to cases of appeal as well. The only way for an appeal to move forward would be if new evidence were also presented which would further shed light on the case, however that evidence would have to be considered compelling and essential to the plaintiff, and, the plaintiffs would have to prove they did not have access to this evidence before or during the original trial. The other instance for appeal would be procedural and have to prove the judge screwed up during the trial or during jury instructions. You cannot appeal a case simply because you lost, otherwise, any wealthy litigant (either plaintiff or defense) could keep a verdict at bay indefinitely, or, until the Supreme Court decided to hear it. That would really muck up the system even worst than it already is. Also, if you attempt to appeal based on procedural error (judge's fault) you damn well better have proof, otherwise not only will it be denied, but, you might as well never litigate a case in that state again as judges are a notoriously prickly lot. Just ask Donald Trump as he is finding this out the hard way. Edited June 29, 2016 by IpMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 This whole thing was bizarre from the start, yet the case was allowed to go forward anyway. Some have mentioned some great points about the appeal thing just not going anywhere. I agree, but how the HELL did it go to trial anyway ?? M( the plaintiff's lawyer) maybe wants to get some settlement from Zep, threatening an appeal ?? IMO this is a nuisance which has tremendous odds at this point from succeeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 10 hours ago, juxtiphi said: Yes, The technicality in question is the fact that Stairway and Taurus are not the same. PURE GOLD!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvlz2 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Lawyer Who Sued Led Zeppelin Suspended From Practicing Law http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lawyer-who-sued-led-zeppelin-907780 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpense Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, luvlz2 said: Lawyer Who Sued Led Zeppelin Suspended From Practicing Law http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lawyer-who-sued-led-zeppelin-907780 Love it! (Now go after the rest of the crooked ones. And they are out there!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 This is music to my ears. Appeal ??? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, luvlz2 said: Lawyer Who Sued Led Zeppelin Suspended From Practicing Law http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lawyer-who-sued-led-zeppelin-907780 Oh that just made my night! It's been a busy, miserable night but that put a big smile on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tea41 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) That says it all! Spirit, not Zeppelin, has some serious egg on their face now. They lose what proved to be a silly case, then the laywer gets suspended, hilarious! Proves what a complete clusterf@ck this whole Taurus-Stairway lawsuit, Skidmore, and Malofiy are, he's such a douche nozzle it's has become comical. If this isn't full vindication for the Zep boys, I don't know what is..they come out looking clean as a whistle with a cherry on top. You know Zep is laughing right now, not to mention the likely increase in Stairway's sales from all the media coverage. People are undoubtedly rediscovering how great of a song it truly is. Edited July 1, 2016 by Tea41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeplz71 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 10 hours ago, luvlz2 said: Lawyer Who Sued Led Zeppelin Suspended From Practicing Law http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/lawyer-who-sued-led-zeppelin-907780 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepRon Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Zep did "give in" and settle on other plagiarism suits - to use a harsh word - in the past. A musician I have worked with - who is not a big LZ fan due to precisely that aspect - had an interesting theory he floated by me in the last month: JPJ really did not approve of "sampling" (kinder word). Bonzo just ran with it, with Page and Plant having absolutely no problems with it. Hence, Jimmy's own joking words, "If you see JPJ, shoot him on sight". JPJ really isolated himself for some reason - and don't shoot ME - but maybe that was why. p.s. This is deep speculation, but I wonder if the threat of something hanging over their heads had something to do with Plant's sale of his Zeppelin copyright. Edited July 1, 2016 by ZepRon Jack Handy Deep Thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Given Malofiy's professional reputation, I'm surprised that Michael Skidmore and the Randy California Trust hired him. Was he the only attorney they could find who was willing to take on this lawsuit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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