Eman the Epic Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I thought it was horrible. Jimmy and Robert were both doing well on their solo careers. But that was auful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagefan55 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 It was awful... but at least they were together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NealR2000 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Because of that, and the equally awful Atlantic 40th show, they made absolutely sure of at least one thing before the O2 show. A lot of rehearsing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Jimmy was drunk off his ass...no excuse. Same thing happened the first date of the ARMS concerts, all subsequent dates Jimmy played great but that first one...blech. Oh, and of course he was again drunk off his ass at the 40th explaining his poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpense Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Well, Phil Collins blew things up there and Jimmy's guitar had every kind of guitar effect on at once and his playing was suffering. He was playing the Fender Telecaster on The Firm tour (which is a more difficult guitar to play) while playing the Les Paul at the reunion. (Which is a much easier guitar to play) He should have had no struggles there. Maybe the moment was quite nervous for him. I praise Tony Thompson for his drumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Jimmy played Stairway great, he was warmed up by then . Great solo in it listen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayley10 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Everybody blames poor old Phil. What did HE do??? And if you can try to put his crimes to human ears in the 80s out of your mind and listen to records like Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, Lamb or Genesis Live you will hear some of the best drumming ever put to tape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NealR2000 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think Phil did get some excessively undeserved bashing for the Live Aid debacle. I think when the fingers started getting pointed after the performance, it was simply easier to place blame on him by Zep fans and critics. However, I know enough about drumming to know that it's probably the number one instrument whereby you can inflict the most damage to a band's performance by way of poor time-keeping. There's a reason musicians gather around the drum riser. It really is the engine room. I also know that in rare circumstances, having two drummers is a sure-fire way to fuck things up. Yes, there are some 2-drummer bands that pull it off really well, but they are always the result of experience playing together and a lot of practice. The biggest factor in the band's poor performance that day was lack of rehearsal time, so to think that a second drummer could fly across the Atlantic and play along, with zero rehearsal would work out, then the result was inevitable. Not that it would have made much of a difference, but I really don't understand why Collins needed to sit in with Zeppelin. He'd achieved his goal of performing on both the UK and US stages with his solo piano sets. Phil aside, there was plenty of blame to go around that day. Nerves. Alcohol. Lack of rehearsal. A multi-band festival set on one stage (perfect recipe for technical problems with the constant and quick band changes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathington Willoughby Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think Phil did get some excessively undeserved bashing for the Live Aid debacle. I think when the fingers started getting pointed after the performance, it was simply easier to place blame on him by Zep fans and critics. However, I know enough about drumming to know that it's probably the number one instrument whereby you can inflict the most damage to a band's performance by way of poor time-keeping. There's a reason musicians gather around the drum riser. It really is the engine room. I also know that in rare circumstances, having two drummers is a sure-fire way to fuck things up. Yes, there are some 2-drummer bands that pull it off really well, but they are always the result of experience playing together and a lot of practice. The biggest factor in the band's poor performance that day was lack of rehearsal time, so to think that a second drummer could fly across the Atlantic and play along, with zero rehearsal would work out, then the result was inevitable. Not that it would have made much of a difference, but I really don't understand why Collins needed to sit in with Zeppelin. He'd achieved his goal of performing on both the UK and US stages with his solo piano sets. Phil aside, there was plenty of blame to go around that day. Nerves. Alcohol. Lack of rehearsal. A multi-band festival set on one stage (perfect recipe for technical problems with the constant and quick band changes). Feels like he probably 'invited himself' to join in on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NealR2000 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Feels like he probably 'invited himself' to join in on that one. Don't forget, it wasn't billed as a Led Zeppelin performance. It started off as a Robert Plant performance. Plant was touring the States with his solo show, and once invited, there was a clamoring for it to be Led Zeppelin. I believe it was Plant who invited Jimmy to join his band. JPJ got wind of it and simply didn't even ask. He just bought his plane ticket and flew in, basically just inviting himself. Collins and Plant were close at the time, so whatever decision about Collins joining was just between him and Plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayley10 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Feels like he probably 'invited himself' to join in on that one. Collins basically produced Pictures at Eleven and Shaken n Stirred, so Phil and Robert were great friends. I think it was bad play to blame Phil, especially considering that they'd been friends before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepscoda Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Phil Collins wanted to storm off the stage in the middle of his Live AID performance with Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, insisting: "It was a mistake - I was not welcome." http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/10/31/phil-collins-led-zeppelin-live-aid-reunion-a-disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilli-Kate Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That whole thing , just was .... ouch .... o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashWho Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I wish they'd let it be included in the Live Aid DVD set, even if it's a bad performance. The Who fall apart in the middle of Won't Get Fooled Again but were still like, "Fuck it, put it in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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