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http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/05/oldchella-officially-called-desert-trip-announces.html

Well it looks like the rumours were true and the hootenany will be going down this October. Tickets go on sale next Monday. Start saving your pennies.

John Oliver has already claimed the Depends concessions, so I will set up the No-Doze and Viagra booths.

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This thing is about 40 years too late. The only day that is even remotely palatable is Saturday's combo of Neil Young and Paul McCartney...they at least are still reasonable approximations of their peak in concert.

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I didn't get to see the Dead until 1991, well past their prime. But i'm "grateful" for the experience. 

Memo to Strider: you'e old. Well, you're not young. Disrespecting these artists based on their age is strange. We should all be lucky enough to make it past 70 continuing to do what we love to do. If these artists want to show up and play and fans want to pay to see it, i don't see the problem. Actually seems pretty cool. 

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1 hour ago, Badgeholder Still said:

I didn't get to see the Dead until 1991, well past their prime. But i'm "grateful" for the experience. 

Memo to Strider: you'e old. Well, you're not young. Disrespecting these artists based on their age is strange. We should all be lucky enough to make it past 70 continuing to do what we love to do. If these artists want to show up and play and fans want to pay to see it, i don't see the problem. Actually seems pretty cool. 

Have fun in the desert. 

Myself, I find it a little sad. Just more signs of the stratification of rock 'n' roll, especially with the ticket prices. So many of these bands are more like tribute bands than the actual bands they portend to be. There are plenty of old rockers I continue to see because they still have the spark, the fire, that made them great...Buddy Guy, Paul McCartney, Richard Thompson, Neil Young, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, Elvis Costello, Iron Maiden,  Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Patti Smith, Iggy Pop, X, Los Lobos, Kraftwerk, Lucinda Williams, The Cure.

I am not "disrespecting" the Stones, Who, et al because of their age, but for their lack of respect towards past key members and their watered-down nostalgic act.

The Who? Seriously...without Keith Moon and John Entwistle? Bob Dylan has not been a decent live act in a decade. Take away Roger's toys and he is about as exciting as lint...and twice as fun.

Only Neil and Macca warrant spending the large amount of money tickets will cost for this desert shindig.

But hey...if you are young and never saw these bands before and have the time and finances to do it, knock yourself out.

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I beg to differ with the characterization, Strider.  I saw The Who last year and Neil Young this past Sunday, and they are still bringing a respectable game.  I did not think once that they were old and should give it up. Part of their success in their golden years, I believe, is adding younger musicians that can add energy to the stage.  The Who has Zak Starkey, an absolute treat to watch, and Neil Young is surrounded by five younger guys who provided much energy to the show (and to Neil). I felt honored to see both acts perform live, both were firsts for me.  I have seen many other older bands over the last few years, and there is only one that appeared to be old and tired.  My view is that as long as they are having fun and finding ways to stay energized (which is key), I say ROCK ON!! :) 

It looks like a super line up to me. 

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4 minutes ago, Ddladner said:

I beg to differ with the characterization, Strider.  I saw The Who last year and Neil Young this past Sunday, and they are still bringing a respectable game.  I did not think once that they were old and should give it up. Part of their success in their golden years, I believe, is adding younger musicians that can add energy to the stage.  The Who has Zak Starkey, an absolute treat to watch, and Neil Young is surrounded by five younger guys who provided much energy to the show (and to Neil). I felt honored to see both acts perform live, both were firsts for me.  I have seen many other older bands over the last few years, and there is only one that appeared to be old and tired.  My view is that as long as they are having fun and finding ways to stay energized (which is key), I say ROCK ON!! :) 

It looks like a super line up to me. 

As noted above, I don't include Neil Young or Paul McCartney in my rant. Those guys are still great in concert.

As for the Who, I agree Zak Starkey is fun to watch and brings a better match on drums than Kenny Jones did. But...for me, there was still something missing. Not just Keith and John, but something indefinable.

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36 minutes ago, Strider said:

Take away Roger's toys and he is about as exciting as lint...and twice as fun.

:D

Is that belly button lint,pocket lint or just lint in general?

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1 hour ago, Strider said:

As noted above, I don't include Neil Young or Paul McCartney in my rant. Those guys are still great in concert.

As for the Who, I agree Zak Starkey is fun to watch and brings a better match on drums than Kenny Jones did. But...for me, there was still something missing. Not just Keith and John, but something indefinable.

From someone who has seen LZ live many times (not to mention a bazillion other bands), I don't doubt that your expectation bar may be a little higher than mine...and perhaps many others. ;) 

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3 hours ago, Ross62 said:

:D

Is that belly button lint,pocket lint or just lint in general?

Take your pick. :D

1 hour ago, Ddladner said:

From someone who has seen LZ live many times (not to mention a bazillion other bands), I don't doubt that your expectation bar may be a little higher than mine...and perhaps many others. ;) 

Hmmm. That is what has always puzzled me. If you are paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars on tickets, shouldn't expectations be higher?

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21 minutes ago, Strider said:

Hmmm. That is what has always puzzled me. If you are paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars on tickets, shouldn't expectations be higher?

I was being a bit facetious. If I was fortunate enough to have seen LZ, I imagine that my expectations would be so high that it would be hard to watch anyone else without a very critical eye. I don't attend enough concerts to say that my bar is set by the money I've spent on tickets.  Admittedly, my expectations are probably lower than most. As I walked through ankle deep smelly mud and then stood in the rain on Sunday to watch Neil Young, Bonnie Raitt, Buddy Guy, Dr. John and other guests play with B.B. King's Blues Band in a tribute to B.B. King, the thought crossed my mind that a day of live music in rain, mud and a constant threat of thunderstorms, is a better day than any day without live music.

:friends: 

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9 hours ago, Strider said:

This thing is about 40 years too late. The only day that is even remotely palatable is Saturday's combo of Neil Young and Paul McCartney...they at least are still reasonable approximations of their peak in concert.

Having seen both McCartney and Neil in the last couple of years I can attest to that. My wife and I are seeing "The Who" this coming weekend. Dylan is still great if you catch him on a good night. The Stones, well, they're the Stones- enjoy 'em while they're still around, says I! Roger Waters...never seen him, but as long as he isn't still doing the goddamn Wall it should be good.

Geezerpalooza, for sure, but once upon a time people would have been coming in their pants at the prospect of a musical lineup like this one.

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This is my opinion on this topic:

I have never seen Neil Young live because I am not a big fan of his.  Yes, he has good songs but not enough for me to want to see him live.

The exact same thing applies for me and Bob Dylan and Roger Waters. 

I realize that a lot of people on this forum and all over this planet love Pink Floyd but I am so sick of hearing the same Pink Floyd songs on the radio that I actually change the station.  I respect David Gilmour as a guitarist but I have read that it was Roger Waters who was the major dick of Pink Floyd.  Lawsuits flying all over the place in regards to who was "Pink Floyd".  That in and of itself is petty and the very definition of narcissism.  (At least Page and Plant never brought lawsuits against each other-publicly- like Waters and Gilmour did and, in my opinion, tarnished the reputation that Pink Floyd had during the most popular years in the 1970's. 

I have seen Paul McCartney in concert and he was great.  Played a lot of Beatles, Wings and Solo songs.  But I think that he played them almost note for note with hardly any improvisation whatsoever.  Still a good concert. 

The Who I have seen once back in 1989, at the New Jersey Meadowlands Arena.  I remember it being a great concert and made me appreciate the Who more than I did before I saw them.  "My Wife" and "5:15" still stand out in my mind.  Since then, I can't believe that Pete and Roger are stilling calling themselves the Who.  The original Who were 4 musicians.  I think that this current Who has at least 6, 7, or maybe even 8 members in the band. 

I have always loved the Rolling Stones and their music.  I have seen them 2 or 3 times going as far back as 1989 on their "Steel Wheels" tour on the first night of the tour in Philadelphia.  From what I have seen and read, the Rolling Stones are now seeming to just go through the motions and playing speeded up versions of some of their greatest songs.  If I saw the Rolling Stones at this event, the only songs that I would really want to see them play would be, "Monkey Man", "Rocks Off", "Hot Stuff", "Undercover of the Night" and "One Hit to the Body", but I highly doubt that any of these songs would be played by them. 

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Would it be a different story if an "oldie but goodie" guitarist from Surrey donned his Gibson and belted out Black Dog?

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While I enjoy some or all of the music by these artists, I'd have no interest in seeing this, even if it was local. Mainly for all of the above reasons, this idea is waayyy too late.

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3-day passes are $475, which is a lot lower than I would have expected.

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29 minutes ago, Pb! said:

3-day passes are $475, which is a lot lower than I would have expected.

That gets you in the field. But if you want to be anywhere near the stage it will cost you $1,600 for the weekend.

10 hours ago, chillumpuffer said:

Would it be a different story if an "oldie but goodie" guitarist from Surrey donned his Gibson and belted out Black Dog?

No. Now, if he wants to strap on his Les Paul and play something new or different, sure...I am there! But I have no desire to hear "Black Dog" again and I really wish Robert Plant would retire it from his setlist, too.

Look...I am aware I am clearly in the minority. I have no doubt that swaths of baby-boomers and millenials alike are in heaven and that the Festival will be sold out in a flash and tickets will be scalped for $10,000 and up. Everybody that goes will come back sunburned and smiling from the memories. That's just the way it is and nothing I say will change it.

But my feelings remain the same.

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I feel the same as you, strider.  $1600, are you f'in kidding me?  I bet that doesn't cover parking either....

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21 minutes ago, Walter said:

I feel the same as you, strider.  $1600, are you f'in kidding me?  I bet that doesn't cover parking either....

Or food/drinks and lodging. Word is already out that the local hotels and motels are jacking up their prices for the festival weekend. Gouge city.

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How far out of town is that venue?  Too far to commute daily?  

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5 minutes ago, Walter said:

How far out of town is that venue?  Too far to commute daily?  

Palm Springs/Indio is 140 miles away...about a 3 to 4 hour drive from where I am. Add concert traffic to and fro to that and who knows? That gets tiresome day after day. Which is why most Coachellers would get a room or camping passes.

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I think this is so cool; if I had lots of money I would have done this years ago. With Glamping !

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^ Back when they were semi-relevant. ;)  Now we're all just hoping they don't break a hip! :lol: 

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7 hours ago, Strider said:

That gets you in the field. But if you want to be anywhere near the stage it will cost you $1,600 for the weekend.

No. Now, if he wants to strap on his Les Paul and play something new or different, sure...I am there! But I have no desire to hear "Black Dog" again and I really wish Robert Plant would retire it from his setlist, too.

Look...I am aware I am clearly in the minority. I have no doubt that swaths of baby-boomers and millenials alike are in heaven and that the Festival will be sold out in a flash and tickets will be scalped for $10,000 and up. Everybody that goes will come back sunburned and smiling from the memories. That's just the way it is and nothing I say will change it.

But my feelings remain the same.

I too agree, musicians, most past their prime by a couple of decades, and demanding that kind of loot! I don't see a problem with them putting on a watered down show, but charge $50 a day or $125 for the whole weekend. Neal Young & McCartney are the only ones I would like to see as their recent shows prove they can still deliver. However, paying that kind of money for the likes of The Stones, The Who, and Dylan is like paying $1,600 to fuck the corpse of Bettie Page.

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I have no desire to see any of the artists at "Oldchella"......but I would LOVE to fly to Europe next month to watch 70 year old Ritchie Blackmore jamming Deep Purple and Rainbow songs with the "new Rainbow".  

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Now if it was here in the UK or somewhere over in Europe I'd have already ordered tickets, booked a Hotel and any travel required for me and the missus.

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