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RockDude4492

New Mystery Soundboard?

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JPJ was a little rusty in the beginning of HB. At :24 secs in he hits a very noticeable clam, and at :40 secs in he leaves out the turnaround note. Just thought I'd throw that out there since Page gets all the attention for fuck ups. I'll bet JPJ was smiling with that "oops" look on his face along with the rest of the band grinning   from ear to ear. Audible mistakes by JPJ are so rare that I actually enjoy them immensely, reminds me that he's human.

 

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12 minutes ago, Bonzo_fan said:

Btw, this Dazed is 40:07; 3/27 L.A. is the 46 min one, since this Dazed has been referred to as 46 min a few times in this thread...

Whoops, sorry about that...still 35 minutes longer than I could play at that intensity.

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8 minutes ago, IpMan said:

Whoops, sorry about that...still 35 minutes longer than I could play at that intensity.

Haha no worries, yeah their endurance is always the most staggering thing to me.  Especially for Bonham in '75, doing Moby Dick and Dazed back-to-back.

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53 minutes ago, Bonzo_fan said:

Very true--I've managed to semi-mimic it, but not at the same intensity or for nearly as long, as has been mentioned above with respect to Page's playing.

Yep-me too... kind of.  Only when I'm feeling really good and really into what I'm doing.  I can get that Ludwig Speed King snapping for a few seconds... and then I try bringing in the snare/ride combos and everything goes to hell!

Can't wait to hear Bonzo pull that shit off in this soundboard release.

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Crap, just listened to the encore on the audience recording, and never noticed but... it almost sounds like during the extended Communication Breakdown solo (with Jonesy's fingers sounding tired) Jimmy switches on that uni-vibe effect he used for the 3/17/75 Seattle's Trampled Underfoot solo. I mean, thats almost as rare as the hammond organ on 6/19/77's Since I've Been Loving You.

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3 hours ago, LedElvis75 said:

Yep-me too... kind of.  Only when I'm feeling really good and really into what I'm doing.  I can get that Ludwig Speed King snapping for a few seconds... and then I try bringing in the snare/ride combos and everything goes to hell!

Can't wait to hear Bonzo pull that shit off in this soundboard release.

Funny how some days you just have "it" and others you don't, eh?  Playing more myself, and especially doing shows with my band, has given me a whole new appreciation for what these guys were able to pull off, and a greater understanding for the "off" nights--some days no matter how bad you want it to sound really great, you just don't have it.  You've just gotta hope the tapes are rolling on the nights when everyone is "on," like this Seattle show.  

The other day when I was really "on," I pulled off the stuff he does at the end of "Sick Again" at this show!  

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11 minutes ago, Dirty Work said:

Ps. Might be my favorite Black Dog on a '75 soundboard B)

Yeah, based off of the audience recording, it definitely sounds like one of, if not the best "Black Dog" of '75.  The one in Vancouver on 3/19 is pretty good too.

Pretty sure 3/27 boasts the longest version ever at just over 6:30...

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On 3/23/2017 at 5:38 PM, IpMan said:

Hey brother, I agree wholeheartedly. The ONLY part of that solo which is sloppy is the one-handed pull-offs / hammer on's which he does at the beginning. The really weird thing is he almost always had a problem doing this since he was always fiddling with the guitar, moving it around above his head at the same time. However, just seconds later he breaks into seriously difficult progressions with ease. Sometime Page's showmanship trumped his execution and I am assuming that the ambient sound of the hall would mask this, thus, he sacrificed steak for sizzle. It just cracks me up because doing the up / down neck pull off's is actually very simple to do...unless the guitar is above your head at which point a simple run becomes anotomically very difficult.

The song as a whole songs great and except for the minor flub as mentioned, the solo is good, not great but good. Considering he just played for three hours, including an exhausting 46 minute D&C and a smoking SIBLY, I am surprise he did as well as he could for a final encore. I tried playing the 10 minute run Page does post-bow solo on TSRTS soundtrack (improv of course, not note for note...no way) before he goes into a different section and the longest I could play at that intensity was six minutes. Again, not note for note, not as fast, nor as good and it was utter exhaustion. How the hell Page played so well, so fast, and so fluid for so long is a testament to his talent. Sure, he could be sloppy at times but when one considers the stamina required to pull off those crazy long solos, a wee bit of slop here and there should not only be forgivable, but expected.

This is the one element people fail to take into consideration. All those 80's era shredders out there we not playing what would be a 46 minute solo, they would solo for maybe three or four minutes max. Or the jams bands like the Dead and Phish do has two or three lead guitarist, not one. Damn, even Judas Priest has two great lead guitarists and they started out as a progressive rock band and they never attempted anything so ambitious.

Just let that sink in for a bit. Machine Gun off of Band of Gypsies is 12 minutes long and Voodoo Chile from Electric Ladyland is 15 min and Hendrix never comes close to the speed Page achieves over a 46 minute solo. Just think about that. The sheer endurance Page subjected himself to in those songs. Not saying a 46 min version of D&C is better than Machine Gun, just pointing out how exhausting and taxing it would be and thus to give a brother some leeway insofar as execution is concerned after playing for 3+ hours.

Great post man. I'd just like to point one thing out, Trey Anastasio is the only guitar player in Phish and he can solo for long periods with the best of 'em!

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6 hours ago, tom kid said:

Great post man. I'd just like to point one thing out, Trey Anastasio is the only guitar player in Phish and he can solo for long periods with the best of 'em!

Yes, Trey is an amazing player as well with great stamina.

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To the topic at hand: I haven't found myself listening to much Zeppelin at all recently, all of that listening through my teens and early 20s finally caught up to me! 

I also haven't visited this forum in a long time, good to see the old crew are still kicking around! This Soundboard I think has reinvigorated the Zeppelin fanatic in me, I cant effin' wait. To hear those versions of NQ and D&C in Soundboard will be aural pleasure of the highest order!

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