TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Trying to determine what Month / week period when the Dragon was painted. Through mid April of 1967 Jimmy Page's Telecaster had mirror reflective circles on it as evidenced of the shows in Denmark with the last that I've seen by Jorgen Angels photographs on April 15th. Assuming on April 16th in Lolland Denmark the guitar was the same, sometime between April 17th and April 29th the guitars circles were removed and the custom clear perspex scratch plate was added that is newly visible at the April 30th 1967 Chaville France show. 30 April France. Did Page return to UK before May 20th France show. – NO CIRCLES NEW SCRATCH PLATE The next photo I have is from July 22nd 1967 with the Dragon Painted. Being that this is coming up on the 50th anniversary of the first photo I have of the Dragon, I'm dying to find out when it could have been painted. 6 May 1967 » Chippenham, England @ Royal Agricultural College 8 May 1967 » Cannes Film Festival Personal Appearance for Blow Up. 14 May 1967 » Stratford, London, England @ 18 May 1967 » Versailles, France @ 19 May 1967 » Elizabethville, Paris, France @ L'Hermitage 20 May 1967 Sat Jouy en Josas, France HEC Business School Note: HEC Business School end-of-year party; Billed with Joe Dassin, Jimmy James, Jean-Luc Ponty and Dexter Gordon22 May 1967 » London, England @ BBC Radio 23 May 1967 » Bristol, England @ The Corn Exchange 26 May 1967 » London, England @ Tiles Club 27 May 1967 » Ramsgate, Kent, England @ Supreme Ballroom 29 May 1967 Monday Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England @ Cambridge City Football Club Stadium 1 June 1967 » Canterbury, Kent, England @ University of Kent2 June 1967 Fri Canterbury, England University of Kent 5 June 1967 Mon Bath, England Pavilion6 June 1967 » Malvern Wells, Worcs, England @ Winter Gardens 8 June 1967 » Worthing, West Sussex, England @ Worthing Assembly Hall 9 June 1967 » Margate, Kent, England @ Dreamland Ballroom 10 June 1967 » Torquay, Torbay, England @ Town Hall 16 June 1967 » Norwich, Norfolk, England @ Student Union, University of East Anglia 17 June 1967 Sat Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Royal Air Force (RAF) Waddington - Raven Club18 June 1967 Sun London, England Saville Theater Note: Charity pop concert presented by Brian Epstein; with Manfred Mann, The New Vaudville Band, The Zombies, The Settlers[ 11 Days Off ] June 22nd Summer Solstice My guess is that the Dragon was painted during this 11 day period considering he was in England and it was the Summer solstice, a perfect time to Consecrate the Telecaster as Page describes... "During my time with The Yardbirds, I had taken the decision to Consecrate my guitar by painting it in psychedelic color opposites and employing diffraction grating beneath the clear Perspex scratch plate." Jimmy Page by Jimmy Page J June 30 1967 Shrewsbury, Shrops, England @ Shrewsbury Music Hall July 1 1967 Sat Chalk Farm, London, England Roundhouse TRAVEL FROM UK TO US FOURTH NORTH AMERICAN TOUR July 7 1967 Fri Vancouver, British Columbia Kerrisdale Arena July 8 1967 Sat Vancouver, British Columbia Kerrisdale Arena (41st Avenue & West Blvd.) Note: Both billed with Magic Fern, Painted Ship, Family Tree and Tom Northcott (pm) Two performances July 10 1967 Mon Theinville, WI USA Teensville July 11 1967 Tue Algonquin, IL USA New Place July 12 1967 Wed Aurora, IL USA Crimson Cougar July 19 1967 Wed Lakeside, CO USA Lakeside Amusement Park July 21 1967 Fri Santa Rosa, CA USA Santa Rosa FairgroundsJuly 22 1967 Sat Santa Monica, CA USA Shrine Exhibition Hall or Civic Auditorium – DRAGON TELECASTER Photographed. ANY Photos of any of the above dates would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 ^^^^^ Summer solstice is June 21st not June 22nd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yes you are right, as it only sometimes falls on the 20th for Summer and typically the 22nd for Winter. My bad. This site also lists it wrong, so in trying to make sure I was accurate for 1967 I may have gotten it off the web incorrectly.http://www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-summer-solstice-timings.html?year=1967 Interestingly in 1967 it was also a full moon (Strawberry Moon) as it was for for the first time last year. Considering you are Jimmy Page and have Prerequisite, what month / week did you paint the Dragon? Also considering it looks to me like it was done with Stencils, did anyone help you make those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, TheEyeOfZoro said: Yes you are right, as it only sometimes falls on the 20th for Summer and typically the 22nd for Winter. My bad. This site also lists it wrong, so in trying to make sure I was accurate for 1967 I may have gotten it off the web incorrectly.http://www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-summer-solstice-timings.html?year=1967 Interestingly in 1967 it was also a full moon (Strawberry Moon) as it was for for the first time last year. Considering you are Jimmy Page and have Prerequisite, what month / week did you paint the Dragon? Also considering it looks to me like it was done with Stencils, did anyone help you make those? I'll tell you the story behind my "I'm Jimmy Page, I have Prerequisite" signature. Back in 2003? it's a day or two before the release of ''How the West Was Won'', I being impatient, can't wait until Monday when said album (and DVD) will be released so I downloaded HTWWW a track at a time from a now defunct file sharing site called WIN MX. When a track had finished downloading I would stop seeding and move on to the next track, I could see who the seeders (uploaders) were and who the leechers (downloaders) were, so I could block other users from leeching from me if they were not also seeding and there was this one guy who had the screen name "Jimmy Page" who was doing a lot of leeching and no seeding, so every track he leeched onto that I was seeding I blocked him. After half a dozen track or so I messaged him about his lack of etiquette (take a little, give a little) I can't remember exactly what I said to him, nothing rude though, his reply to me was "I'm Jimmy Page, I have Prerequisite". So, did the tracks that had been leaked have a fingerprint and was it Jim who was out to identify the source of the leak, I doubt it. Anyway Monday arrives and I'm at the door of HMV before it opens and I'm first in to get my new Zeppelin goodies, the tracks I downloaded and the CDR's I'd burned them to, deleted and binned.. So there you go, just a sig.. "I'm not Jimmy Page, I do not have Prerequisite" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 Cool Story. I've heard similar stories and know that he goes online a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I believe Jimmy painted the Tele with the help of his good friend from art college, Earl during the last week of June 1967. Earl charged Jimmy only $19.95, no ups, no extras, for his contribution to the guitar. Ps. Earl also accidentally painted the neck, scratch plate, and tuners as well but Jimmy cleaned off the over-spray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpense Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 8 hours ago, IpMan said: I believe Jimmy painted the Tele with the help of his good friend from art college, Earl during the last week of June 1967. Earl charged Jimmy only $19.95, no ups, no extras, for his contribution to the guitar. Ps. Earl also accidentally painted the neck, scratch plate, and tuners as well but Jimmy cleaned off the over-spray. 1967 was also the year Clapton got the SG and had the Dutch design collective known as The Fool paint it. (Made its debut March 25 1967 in Manhattan) So there probably was some inspiration there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 17 hours ago, TheEyeOfZoro said: Cool Story. I've heard similar stories and know that he goes online a lot. Doubt he knows how to torrent.. and what hat use would it be him downloading his own content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 7/17/2017 at 11:02 AM, IpMan said: I believe Jimmy painted the Tele with the help of his good friend from art college, Earl during the last week of June 1967. Earl charged Jimmy only $19.95, no ups, no extras, for his contribution to the guitar. Ps. Earl also accidentally painted the neck, scratch plate, and tuners as well but Jimmy cleaned off the over-spray. Well that fits very nicely with the longest stretch of time off between gigs. This is the first I've ever heard this information. Was this ever published or did you hear this first hand from Jimmy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 7/17/2017 at 11:02 AM, IpMan said: I believe Jimmy painted the Tele with the help of his good friend from art college, Earl during the last week of June 1967. Earl charged Jimmy only $19.95, no ups, no extras, for his contribution to the guitar. Ps. Earl also accidentally painted the neck, scratch plate, and tuners as well but Jimmy cleaned off the over-spray. Accidentally painting the tuners takes some serious effort. Overspray? As in clear protective coat? There are some live shots that I see a reflective glare over the bare wood areas and it moves as the angle moves. The accidentally painting it part sounds similar to the "mystery person story" who supposedly destroyed it. This painting looks stenciled. No way was it "Sprayed" without a stencil if sprayed at all. Every attempt at recreating it with a brushes looks terrible. Plus the clear straight lines and the super thin lines tell me it was stenciled. I would even venture to guess that Page still has the stencils because he as alluded that he wants to resurrect the guitar. $19.95 is an odd amount between friends and in Dollars I doubt, I would imagine you mean pounds. On 7/17/2017 at 7:44 PM, sixpense said: 1967 was also the year Clapton got the SG and had the Dutch design collective known as The Fool paint it. (Made its debut March 25 1967 in Manhattan) So there probably was some inspiration there. Yes in 1977 when interviewed by S. Rosen he said: "Yes. There was work done on it but only afterwards. I painted it; everyone painted their guitars in those days. And I had reflective plastic sheeting underneath the pick guard that gives rainbow colors." This supports the above statement by sixpense, that the fool may have inspired Jimmy to paint "The Dragon" and if anything I think he out did "The Fool" "mystically". [From: http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/The-Tale-Of-Eric-Clapton-Fool-Gibson-SG.aspx] Marijke Koger described the overall theme of the design as “good versus evil, heaven versus hell, and the power of music in the universe to rise above it all as a force of good.The Fool’s graphic was as weird as it was wonderful. There’s that winged cherub with curls of fire sat astride a candy cloud: the big hair on the head of the cherub, the centerpiece of The Fool’s artwork, was inspired by Clapton’s own white-‘fro of the time. The cherub’s left hand is grasping a triangle, while his right hand holds a spoon-shaped beater. The arch of his right foot is balanced on top of the rear tone control. Six-sided yellow stars orbit around him. Swirling circles of blues, greens, and yellows adorn the rest of the body, with a sun and mountain range on the pickguard. Many have insisted to me that the Dragon was an abstract or psychedelic painting. I disagree. Knowing now that someone had contributed to it technically furthers my opinion that it was full of mystical meaning. Would love to know more about Earl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyeOfZoro Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Jimmy Page with The Yardbirds at Fifth Dimension Club, Ann Arbor is a perfect example of the "Clear Coat" overspray washing out the painting in the first shot on the paint but not on the upper wood part. If the upper part was also protective coated I would imagine that it would have flashed out in them image like in the top pic. [Love the Behind the nut bending here, pre-heart breaker] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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