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I'll start off with one that isn't so much wtf as worrisome, about women who've chosen not to have children in order to reduce their carbon footprint (below, from the Daily Mail). I hate to say this because in part, I sympathize with these two women and their decision not to have children, but if the educated classes cease having children, the planet will be in even greater peril than it is now. I don't particularly want children myself (though I do like them), but I begin to think it might be my duty as an educated, environmentally-conscious person. If reproduction becomes something that only people who don't care about the environment do, I fear the consequences will be dire. Anyway, here's the story:



Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.

Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.

Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible "mistake" of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.


He refused, but Toni - who works for an environmental charity - "relentlessly hunted down a doctor who would perform the irreversible surgery.


Finally, eight years ago, Toni got her way.

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.


While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal.


"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future.

It's an extreme stance which one might imagine is born from an unhappy childhood or an upbringing among parents who share similar, strong beliefs.


But nothing in Toni's safe, middle- class upbringing gave any clues as to the views which would shape her adult life. The eldest of three daughters, she enjoyed a loving, close-knit family life.

She excelled at her Roman Catholic school, and her doting parents fully expected her to grow up, settle down and start a family of her own.

"When I finished school, I got a job in retail and at 19, I met my first husband," says Toni.

"No sooner had we finished our wedding cake than all our relatives started to ask when they could expect a new addition to the family.

"I always told them that would never happen, but no one listened.


"When I was a child, I loved bird-watching, and in my teens that developed into a passion for the environment as well as the welfare of animals - I became a vegetarian when I was 15.

"Even my parents used to smile and say: 'You'll change your mind one day about babies.'

"The only person who understood how I felt was my first husband, who didn't want children either.


"We both passionately wanted to save the planet - not produce a new life which would only add to the problem."


So, instead of mapping out plans for a family, Toni and her husband began discussing medical options to ensure they would never reproduce.


Toni, from Taunton, Somerset, says: "When I was 21, I considered sterilisation for the first time.

"I'd been on the Pill for five years and didn't want to take hormone-based contraception indefinitely.

"I went to my GP, but she wouldn't even consider the idea.

"She said I was far too young and told me I could 'absolutely not' be sterilised, and that I was bound to change my mind one day.

"I found her attitude frustrating.


"We decided my husband would have a vasectomy instead. He was 25, just a few years older than me, but the GP allowed him to go ahead.


"I found it insulting that she thought that, just because I was a woman, I'd reach a point where an urge to breed would overcome all rational thought."

When Toni was 23, her marriage ended. She says: "We married very young and grew apart."

Toni found herself young, single and with a new life in London, working for an environmental charity.

But while other young women dream of marriage and babies, Toni was convinced it was her duty not to have a child.


She claims she was far from alone.

"Through my job I made many friends who, like me, were more interested in campaigning, trying to change society and save the planet rather than having families of our own.

"We used to say that if ever we did want children, we'd adopt, as there are so many children in need of a loving family.

"At least then, we'd be doing something positive for the world, rather than something negative."

Toni was happy, at last, with fellow environmentalists who shared her philosophy. But when she was 25, disaster struck.

"I discovered that despite taking the Pill, I'd accidentally fallen pregnant by my boyfriend.

"I was horrified. I knew straight away there was no option of having the baby.

"I went to my doctor about having a termination, and asked if I could be sterilised at the same time.


"This time it was a male doctor. I remember saying to him: 'I want to make sure this never happens again.'

"He said: 'You may not want a child, but one day you may meet a man who does'. He refused to consider it.

"I didn't like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world.

"I've never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and have honestly never wondered what might have been.


"After my abortion, I was more determined than ever to pursue sterilisation.

"By then, I had my mother's support - she realised I wasn't going to grow out of my beliefs, and was proud of my campaigning work."

At the age of 27, Toni moved to Brighton, where her dream of medical intervention was realised.

Toni says: "My new GP was more forward-thinking and referred me to hospital. I couldn't wait for the operation."

As Toni awaited the surgery which would destroy her fertility, she met her future husband, Ed, 38, an IT consultant.


"A week before my sterilisation, I went to an animal rights demonstration and met Ed.

"I liked him immediately, and I told him what I was doing straight away - because if he wanted children then he needed to know I wasn't the woman for him," she says.

"But Ed was relieved when I told him how I felt and said he didn't want children for the same reasons."

On the morning of surgery, Ed gave Toni a card saying "Congratulations".

Toni says: "After the operation, which is irreversible, I didn't feel emotional - just relieved.

"I've never doubted that I made the right decision. Ed and I married in September 2002, and have a much nicer lifestyle as a result of not having children.

"We love walking and hiking, and we often go away for weekends.

"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we've just come back from South Africa.

"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population.

"My only frustration is that other people are unable to accept my decision.

"When I tell people why I don't want children, they look at me as if I was planning to commit murder.

"A woman who does not have maternal-feelings is seen as some sort of anomaly.

"And a woman like me, who is not having children in order to save the planet, is considered barking mad.

"What I consider mad are those women who ferry their children short distances in gas-guzzling cars."

But Toni is far from alone.


Sarah Irving and Mark Hudson were adamant they would live the greenest possible lives


Most young girls dream of marriage and babies. But Sarah dreamed of helping the environment - and as she agonised over the perils of climate change, the loss of animal species and destruction of wilderness, she came to the extraordinary decision never to have a child.

"I realised then that a baby would pollute the planet - and that never having a child was the most environmentally friendly thing I could do."

Sarah's boyfriends have been less understanding than Toni's, with the breakdown of several relationships.


"I've had boyfriends who wanted children, so I knew I couldn't be with them long term,' says Sarah.


"I've had to break up with a couple of boyfriends because I didn't think it was fair to waste their time.

"In my early 20s I had a boyfriend who I really liked, but he wanted to start a family as soon as possible.


"I was tempted to stay with him and hope he would change his mind, but I knew I couldn't provide him with what he wanted so I walked away."

Sarah started work for the Ethical Consumer magazine, and seven years ago she met her fiancÈ Mark Hudson, a 37-year- old health- care worker.

When they started dating in 2003, they immediately discussed their views on children.


"To my relief, Mark was as adamant as me that he didn't want a family. After a year of dating, we started talking about sterilisation," says Sarah.


"I didn't want to have an 'accident' if contraception didn't work - we would be faced with the dilemma of whether to keep the baby."

While other young couples sit down and discuss mortgages, Sarah and Mark discussed the medical options for one or the other to be sterilised.


"We realised it was a much more straightforward procedure, safer and easier, for a man to be sterilised through a vasectomy than a woman to be sterilised," says Sarah.


"In January 2005, Mark had a vasectomy and we both felt incredibly relieved there was no chance of us having a baby."

Ironically, the couple who have decided to deny themselves children for the sake of the planet, actively enjoy the company of young children.


Sarah says: "We both have nieces who we love dearly and I consider myself a caring, nurturing person.

"My sister recently had a little girl, and that has taken the pressure off me because my parents wanted to be grandparents.

"At first, they were surprised by my decision, but they have never criticised us.

"I'd never dream of preaching to others about having a family. It's a very personal choice. What I do like to do is make people aware of the facts.

"When I see a mother with a large family, I don't resent her, but I do hope she's thought through the implications."

Mark adds: "Sarah and I live as green a life a possible. We don't have a car, cycle everywhere instead, and we never fly.

"We recycle, use low-energy light bulbs and eat only organic, locally produced food.


"In short, we do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint. But all this would be undone if we had a child.

"That's why I had a vasectomy. It would be morally wrong for me to add to climate change and the destruction of Earth.


"Sarah and I don't need children to feel complete. What makes us happy is knowing that we are doing our bit to save our precious planet."

Edited by AllisonAdler, 22 November 2007 - 04:22 AM.


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Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers - and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror. Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.

Toni - who works for an environmental charity...


Well, in accordance with her (misguided, amoral, socialist) primary belief that terminating human life saves the planet why has she not yet killed herself? May I suggest it is simply because she's a selfish, murdering hypocrite. :o

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Hey, Mother Earth just called! She said she got along quite nicely for about 8 billion years without us and will still be here long after each of us living today are long gone. She closed by saying adults who demonstrate the patronizing ignorance Toni displayed
would be funny if it weren't so fucking pathetic. I found our planet's comments to be
harsh but it was a long distance call so I didn't want to argue.

Edited by SteveAJones, 22 November 2007 - 04:21 AM.


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Hey, Mother Earth just called! She said she got along quite nicely for about 8 billion years without us and will still be here long after each of us living today are long gone. She closed by saying adults who demonstrate the patronizing ignorance Toni displayed
would be funny if it weren't so fucking pathetic. I found our planet's comments to be
harsh but it was a long distance call so I didn't want to argue.



The point is not so much this particular lady, or the other couple--all of whom have some very odd notions indeed--but whether having children or not is better for the planet if you are environmentally conscious.

Edited by AllisonAdler, 22 November 2007 - 04:28 AM.


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Apparently a person can pursue the passion of saving the planet a little too vigorously. She seems to have things out of perspective.

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Reading that made me really angry, especially that bitch Toni's story... jesus. Selfish bastards.

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Apparently a person can pursue the passion of saving the planet a little too vigorously. She seems to have things out of perspective.



Probably best that she in particular doesn't have children, then, one might think!

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Actually her children might turn out to be level-headed and set their mother straight.

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Actually her children might turn out to be level-headed and set their mother straight.

Somehow I don't think her kids would set her straight seeing as how no one else can. But she wouldn't need setting straight if she had kids now, would she?

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Somehow I don't think her kids would set her straight seeing as how no one else can. But she wouldn't need setting straight if she had kids now, would she?


In her case she might.

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In her case she might.

Well, I think if she had no means of aborting her baby, it's sickening to think she might actually kill it by harming herself. Do you think she'd go that far?

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The point is not so much this particular lady, or the other couple--all of whom have some very odd notions indeed--but whether having children or not is better for the planet if you are environmentally conscious.


No, that particular lady was the main point of your post. What you've raised here
is a related topic, which is fine with me. Bottom line is as soon as one factors the
so-called environment into the child-bearing equation the conclusion is foregone.

The fact is we are the only species on the planet with this concern, as we are
the only species with self-awareness. But follow the money trail and find that
the underlying motivation behind "environmentalism" is to impose global taxation.
Carbon foot-print is not a buzzword by accident; it is among many resources on
the table for taxation, particularly in the UK.

The stupidity of our species never ceases to amaze me. The phrase overeducated
idiots does come to mind. Are we not circling the drain yet? I know this much, the planet will keep on spinning with or without us.

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No, that particular lady was the main point of your post. What you've raised here
is a related topic, which is fine with me. Bottom line is as soon as one factors the
so-called environment into the child-bearing equation the conclusion is foregone.

The fact is we are the only species on the planet with this concern, as we are
the only species with self-awareness. But follow the money trail and find that
the underlying motivation behind "environmentalism" is to impose global taxation.
Carbon foot-print is not a buzzword by accident; it is among many resources on
the table for taxation, particularly in the UK.

The stupidity of our species never ceases to amaze me. The phrase overeducated
idiots does come to mind. Are we not circling the drain yet? I know this much, the planet will keep on spinning with or without us.


Not the main point of my post at all if you read my preface to the news article that I pasted in from the Mail. And the focus of the story was actually two women who made this choice, not just one. And while I am disturbed by some of the discussion of buying and selling carbon usage in the UK, I don't think environmentalism in general is motivated by the politics of taxation. My care for the planet certainly isn't.

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Not the main point of my post at all if you read my preface to the news article that I pasted in from the Mail.


To be honest, I bailed out of that article half-way thru as it just doesn't matter to me. You meet one environmentalist-wacko nut job you've met them all; it's called mentality.

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Well, I think if she had no means of aborting her baby, it's sickening to think she might actually kill it by harming herself. Do you think she'd go that far?


She is a nut, so there's no telling. Her loyalty to the environment seems to outweigh her maternal instinct. I think whoever has a calming effect on her might be her best buddy through the process. She takes the environment awfully seriously. Maybe if someone could get her to see her child as a potential convert to environmentalism she might see the baby as a good thing.

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So if she had her way no one should have babies? :blink:

I'm sorry but I wouldn't fucking care about the earth unless there were humans on it.

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I'll start off with one that isn't so much wtf as worrisome, about women who've chosen not to have children in order to reduce their carbon footprint (below, from the Daily Mail). I hate to say this because in part, I sympathize with these two women and their decision not to have children, but if the educated classes cease having children, the planet will be in even greater peril than it is now. I don't particularly want children myself (though I do like them), but I begin to think it might be my duty as an educated, environmentally-conscious person. If reproduction becomes something that only people who don't care about the environment do, I fear the consequences will be dire. Anyway, here's the story:

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What the fuck? Who the hell does she think she's saving the planet for?

If no one has kids there's no reason save the planet, since there won't be any future generations of humans. What a FUCKING moron.

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Perhaps she's saving the planet for the plants and animals.

But either way, she's a wack job. A HUGE wack job. :wacko:

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Re: Hippie Museum Funding Proposed by Hillary Clinton Shot Down in Senate

The State of New York should pay for it, not the entire nation. Let the State Tourism
Board make their case to the NY voters, otherwise they can all go get stuffed.

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There is a precedent for support for the arts in government.

Jacqueline Kennedy: The White House Years–Selections from the John F. Kennedy Library and Museum

November 13, 2004—May 8, 2005

Revisit an era of style and grace to explore how Jacqueline Kennedy’s taste, intelligence and charisma influenced American statesmanship and diplomacy.

Jacqueline Kennedy: The White House Years presents more than 70 garments worn by one of history’s great fashion icons. Combined with photographs, documents, and film clips, these fashions reveal how the former first lady carefully shaped her image to reflect the vigor, ideals, and internationalism of her husband’s administration.

You’ll see the fawn coat and signature pillbox hat worn at the 1961 inauguration, the red dress worn for the televised tour of the White House, the beaded gown in which the former first lady dazzled Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev and the austere black dress worn for her audience with Pope John XXIII. Discover how Mrs. Kennedy used the power of clothing to build international goodwill, as when she paid homage to French culture with the Givenchy gown and opera coat worn to President Charles de Gaulle’s state dinner, or when she wore brightly colored ensembles on her 1962 ambassadorial trip to India and Pakistan.

See how the first lady’s style extended beyond her wardrobe as she used her passion for the arts and history to heighten American culture. Through her restoration of the White House and flawless hosting of events, Mrs. Kennedy turned the executive mansion into an exquisite background for state affairs and a showcase for American arts and letters.

Come celebrate the enduring legacy of one of America’s favorite first ladies. Begin your tour of selections from the exhibition. >>

Learn more about the study of fashion and culture, and the care of textiles at The Field Museum.

www.fieldmuseum.org/jkennedy/exhibitions


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