Mr. Mike Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Wow - strange viewpoint. Page and Plant both listen to LOADS of music and are massively addicted to it - of all kinds. Robert is hugely knowledgeable about music - Ahmet Ertegun said more so than anyone he'd ever met.As I said, I could be wrong. Apparently, they fit into the category with Jagger. Which may explain why Led Zeppelin hasn't made a decent record since 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrots1969 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Wow - strange viewpoint. Page and Plant both listen to LOADS of music and are massively addicted to it - of all kinds. Robert is hugely knowledgeable about music - Ahmet Ertegun said more so than anyone he'd ever met. I could listen to him talk about music for hours... a fascinating,passionate,knowledgeable man . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmsofAtlas Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I doubt that they do much listening to other bands or music. When you compose music yourself, you are usually so involved in working on your own music to be interested in anyone else's. As a guy who has tried songwriting myself. I know for a fact that you have to cut yourself off from the outside world to get an idea without copying from another artist subconsciously. And, you always have to try to write the best music that you can without worrying what the result will be. The result should inevitably be you. Then of course there are so many pirate's in this business that I could be very wrong, (In the case of Led Zeppelin, I really doubt it considering how original they have always been), but artists like Mick Jagger for instance, are always listening to other acts for things they can use in their own repertoire and that is why Jagger's solo records suck out loud. This has to be the weirdest viewpoint I have ever heard. If someone tells ya that sounds like a certain band, just tell em you are only a product of your influences. I write some tunes, and listening to other music for reference is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 If you even think they don't listen to other bands or musicians then you don't listen to Led Zeppelin's music. The members of Led Zeppelin were all music fanatics. Not just fans. They loved music and what we consider strange and obscure music at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Mike Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I write some tunes, and listening to other music for reference is a must.Why? Are you afraid that you might forget what music is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I was pleasantly surprised to discover John Paul Jones produced Independent Worm Saloon by The Butthole Surfers. I thought it was pretty cool that he was involved in current trends rather than suspended in time as a classic rock dinosaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledsabbath Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I think it's funny on the DVD when they get asked (in about 1970 is it?) about The Beatles and Robert is really polite about them, acknowledging their huge influence on every band that came after them, and Jimmy just looks a bit confused and says, "Obviously one is aware of their music"! Neither of them appear to have given The Beatles much thought either way. Yeah I saw that video clip. It's pretty obvious that Zeppelin doesn't really think much of the Beatles. And why should they? The Beatles are renowned for simple songs and melody lines, and extremely average musicianship. I know every man and his dog worships the Beatles, but I and Zeppelin don't. Compared to Zeppelin, the Beatles are like preschool. No magnificent guitar solos, very simplistic drumming, no thunderous riffs, no real complicated songs, no intricate instrumentalist pieces. Just simple pop songs. Yeah, a couple of exceptions here and there, but defintely out of the norm. Not my cup of tea. And not Zeppelin's either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on for nowhere Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 has anyone heard of one of them liking "Wolfmother" because even though i really dont like todays rock i have to admit Wolfmother is realy good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhak0n Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 has anyone heard of one of them liking "Wolfmother" because even though i really dont like todays rock i have to admit Wolfmother is realy good Lol you ever see a surf movie called Young Guns 2? There's a Wolf mother song in there when Slater is ripping through a wave in Indonesia... it's just freaking amazing... I have to go search out some of that band because besides that one clip.. I really know very little about the band.. but it's unreal. Oh and for the guy who was like slamming the beatles calling them "simplistic" compared to Zeppelin... .Listen Zep's my number one but there's plenty of catchy Zep tunes that are based on little more than C arpeggios and D/Dsus 4 (Thank You <g>).. The mark of great music isn't how complicated it is ... It's what picture the artist paints on the canvas. .. Just my personal opinions on the matter.. ( How many more times is a great song.. very simple blues riff).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMcLov1n Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I was pleasantly surprised to discover John Paul Jones produced Independent Worm Saloon by The Butthole Surfers. I thought it was pretty cool that he was involved in current trends rather than suspended in time as a classic rock dinosaur. John Paul Jones was never and will never be a rock star, he is a musician. Except for when he messed around with that tranny in Royal Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledsabbath Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Oh and for the guy who was like slamming the beatles calling them "simplistic" compared to Zeppelin... .Listen Zep's my number one but there's plenty of catchy Zep tunes that are based on little more than C arpeggios and D/Dsus 4 (Thank You <g>).. The mark of great music isn't how complicated it is ... It's what picture the artist paints on the canvas. .. Just my personal opinions on the matter.. ( How many more times is a great song.. very simple blues riff).. That guy was unashamedly me. All I can say is ???????? You say that "How Many More Times" is a "very simple blues riff", yet ignore the obvious. That they turn a very simple blues riff and add twists and turns in it that changes the entire song completely. The song starts off with that simple blues riff, as you say, then plunges into a moody instrumental piece. It then twists and turns into "The Hunter", (which Free did a version of also) and then resumes back into the blues riff. It is anything but simple. A very odd example of a "simple" song that you chose to mention. And btw, Zeppelin didn't like their own simplistic pop like creations, eg, "Living Loving Maid". If they didn't like their own, they certainly wouldn't like that of other bands. And if you saw that interview, it's pretty obvious by the carefully chosen words, (that very diplomatically acknowledges The Beatles legacy yet carefully avoids any real praise or admiration) and body language, that Zeppelin had no regard for The Beatles. It's a case of each to their own. I love great musicianship, complex and technically proficient guitarists and drummers, long songs, lots of instrumentals/guitar solos etc. That's why I love bands like Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple, Rainbow etc. Simplistic 3 minute pop songs "paint" nothing for me, but they do for you. Accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on for nowhere Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Lol you ever see a surf movie called Young Guns 2? There's a Wolf mother song in there when Slater is ripping through a wave in Indonesia... it's just freaking amazing... I have to go search out some of that band because besides that one clip.. I really know very little about the band.. but it's unreal. Oh and for the guy who was like slamming the beatles calling them "simplistic" compared to Zeppelin... .Listen Zep's my number one but there's plenty of catchy Zep tunes that are based on little more than C arpeggios and D/Dsus 4 (Thank You <g>).. The mark of great music isn't how complicated it is ... It's what picture the artist paints on the canvas. .. Just my personal opinions on the matter.. ( How many more times is a great song.. very simple blues riff).. ya ive seen that movie and i LOVED IT its great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIC Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 i heard a rumor that not to long ago, robert was in a bar and the red hot chilli peppers came on the radio and he freaked out saying that what they did was not music and that they sucked. anyone else here this? could just be one of those rumors.... Yeah, I read this somewhere, but the band playing wasn't Red Hot Chilli Pepper but Radiohead. And apparently, he asked that they changed radio station or something because he couldn't stand the song and the band saying that was not music (like you mentioned). That made me smile as I personally don't like Radiohead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIC Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Yeah I saw that video clip. It's pretty obvious that Zeppelin doesn't really think much of the Beatles. And why should they? The Beatles are renowned for simple songs and melody lines, and extremely average musicianship. I know every man and his dog worships the Beatles, but I and Zeppelin don't. Compared to Zeppelin, the Beatles are like preschool. No magnificent guitar solos, very simplistic drumming, no thunderous riffs, no real complicated songs, no intricate instrumentalist pieces. Just simple pop songs. Yeah, a couple of exceptions here and there, but defintely out of the norm. Not my cup of tea. And not Zeppelin's either. Well said! Totally agree with you. Two worlds completely apart. No wonder both Jimmy and Robert had that puzzled look when asked. It comes to one's preference, of course, but Beatles' music was millions light years away from Zep's. Two different styles, not comparable. And to my personal opinion and what I have always felt, everytime I hear a Beatles song on the radio it's like : oh the music that my parents used to listen to back in the 60's. Old parents, old songs With any song of Led Zep, it never happens. Their music was innovative back then, and is still a model for the new generations of bands (see Wolfmother, etc). How many bands can we name that have taken and are still these days taking some inspiration from LZ and Jimmy Page's guitar playing? So many.. I haven't heard of any bands in the 80's-90's and nowadays trying to emulate the Beatles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I suppose this is correct forum to put this in... I know that Page and Plant both really like the blues, but I was wondering if anybody knows what they might be listening to these days. I read an interview with Page a while back that said he really likes Little Feat, and I've heard that Plant used to show up at Phish concerts on occasion (not sure how true that is). Not sure what Jones is into, I'd suspect bluegrass probably... so, just wondering if anybody knew. John Lee Hooker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Well said! Totally agree with you. Two worlds completely apart. No wonder both Jimmy and Robert had that puzzled look when asked. It comes to one's preference, of course, but Beatles' music was millions light years away from Zep's. Two different styles, not comparable. And to my personal opinion and what I have always felt, everytime I hear a Beatles song on the radio it's like : oh the music that my parents used to listen to back in the 60's. Old parents, old songs With any song of Led Zep, it never happens. Their music was innovative back then, and is still a model for the new generations of bands (see Wolfmother, etc). How many bands can we name that have taken and are still these days taking some inspiration from LZ and Jimmy Page's guitar playing? So many.. I haven't heard of any bands in the 80's-90's and nowadays trying to emulate the Beatles. People still copy the Beatles more than any musicians left and right. Led Zeppelin's musical influence is huge especially in edgier genres of music, but lyrically and musically the Beatles influence is untouched. The Beatles influence and imprint is still bigger on music than Zeppelin's is. Zepp is my favorite band and I think they were better though. I can go through even hard rock bands if you want. STP had songs written just to duplicate Beatles songs(Sour Girl, Lady Picture Show among others), they were also influenced by Zeppelin. Chris Cornell learned to sing and play drums from listening to the Beatles. Yes he was the original drummer for Soundgarden. One of Nirvana's biggest hits is "About a Girl" which was inspired by Beatles songs. Ozzy Osborne got into music because of the Beatles I can go on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I also read he likes Prodigy. That would be nice! I'm probably the only Prodigy fan on this board. I'm surprised they never sampled Zeppelin.... at least as far as I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 That would be nice! I'm probably the only Prodigy fan on this board. I'm surprised they never sampled Zeppelin.... at least as far as I know of. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIC Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 People still copy the Beatles more than any musicians left and right. Led Zeppelin's musical influence is huge especially in edgier genres of music, but lyrically and musically the Beatles influence is untouched. The Beatles influence and imprint is still bigger on music than Zeppelin's is. Zepp is my favorite band and I think they were better though. I can go through even hard rock bands if you want. I can go on and on. Whatever you say, NickZepp .. As I said in my post, two different music worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledsabbath Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Whatever you say, NickZepp .. As I said in my post, two different music worlds. You and I are music compadres, brother! The thing about The Beatles,too, is that the world had not really heard any sort of intricate music at that stage. Unless you were into Jazz or some other specialist genre like that, contemporary music was just simplistic pop tunes. Even I would say the same for Elvis. The world knew nothing else, and of course, The Beatles were the best at what they did. But come Zeppelin, and other bands, and you heard things that were never heard before. Complex songs, alternative themes and song content, technical instrument prowess, extravagant solos, instrumentalist pieces and the like. Not to mention an edgy, hard rock sound, the evolution of 12 bar blues, and on and on I could go. Look at Zeppelin's first album. Look at the moody bridge pieces in some of the songs, such as "How many more times", or the long, meandering, "Dazed and Confused". A far, far cry from the simplisic Beatles. Where in popular contemporary music did you hear bands do so many twists and turns, tempo and mood changes? The answer is you didn't. Or look at Purple's first album with Gillan, or Sabbath's first album. Look at the things done that were never done before. Hard rock sounds, extravagant solos, long songs, (eg, "The Warning" that goes for about 16mins), alternative themes otherthan the hippy flower power, love and peace at the time, drum solos, hard edged keyboard sounds, etc. Then of course we could talk about the mind blowing Hendrix, and the evolution of contemporary music that he brought forwards. For sure, admire The Beatles for what they were at the time-the best of all the pop sounds. And if that's what you're into, then I won't knock you. But just remember so much more progression and ingenuity came afterwards from bands such as Zeppelin, Purple and Sabbath. That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I think Zeppelin is the most talented and best band ever. But Elvis and the Beatles influence in popular music is at a different level from Zeppelin. Just about every major musician will list the Beatles as an influence over Zeppelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIC Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 You and I are music compadres, brother! g about The Beatles,too, is that the world had not really But come Zeppelin, and other bands, and you heard things that were never heard before. Complex songs, alternative themes and song content, technical instrument prowess, extravagant solos, instrumentalist pieces and the like. Not to mention an edgy, hard rock sound, the evolution of 12 bar blues, and on and on I could go. Look at Zeppelin's first album. Look at the moody bridge pieces in some of the songs, such as "How many more times", or the long, meandering, "Dazed and Confused". A far, far cry from the simplisic Beatles. Where in popular contemporary music did you hear bands do so many twists and turns, tempo and mood changes? The answer is you didn't. Or look at Purple's first album with Gillan, or Sabbath's first album. Look at the things done that were never done before. Hard rock sounds, extravagant solos, long songs, (eg, "The Warning" that goes for about 16mins), alternative themes otherthan the hippy flower power, love and peace at the time, drum solos, hard edged keyboard sounds, etc. Then of course we could talk about the mind blowing Hendrix, and the evolution of contemporary music that he brought forwards. For sure, admire The Beatles for what they were at the time-the best of all the pop sounds. And if that's what you're into, then I won't knock you. But just remember so much more progression and ingenuity came afterwards from bands such as Zeppelin, Purple and Sabbath. That's all I'm saying. I can't say that much after this post, can I? I really would love to share my opinions and comments with you on your quite smart post, but being English my second language, I don't have that articulate and complete vocabulary as you guys. And my post would seem too simplistic and superficial, which I really don't want to. I anyway support what you are saying 100 %, and even if I have always disliked The Beatles just because I have never felt their music deep inside in my heart and soul, I acknowledge their place in music history for a reason or another. Hey, this is quite good timing!! As I am writing this post, I have my stereo on with some old Motley Crue's cd. Yeah, I sometimes listen to this music too (still a good band in their genre and era) ...And guess what? They are playing their version of Helter Skelter (this is the only Beatles' song I can say I like, reason being it's a bit on the rock side ). Sorry, NickZepp but I really cannot listen to any Beatles' song, really cannot. I tried many times, but no luck. Music is like love: a special and magical feeling you experience and that drives you to a band instead of another. Maybe the comparison is a bit odd, but it gives the idea. The Beatles are not my thing, that's all. Maybe you are a fan of their music:you have all my respect and consideration. That's all I can say. By the way, you called me brother, but it's actually sister Take care! ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIC Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 oops, guys! I am totally fried today. I just messed up with your names and your posts.. I thought I was replying to NickZepp and his post about the Beatles. Only now I realized that it was LedSabbath who wrote that beautiful post. Sorry sorry. LedSabbath: thanks for your support! NickZepp: I respect your opinions on The Beatles. Still, I consider Led Zep one step ahead of them, maybe not as lyrics and artistic songwriting are concerned, but the complete musicianship and instrumental competence of the four Zep have no equals. The Beatles came first and that pretty much changed the music world from that time on, but Led Zep came just after a few years and that is a different story, a different music , a totally new revolution on the music schemes. This is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledsabbath Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 oops, guys! I am totally fried today. I just messed up with your names and your posts.. I thought I was replying to NickZepp and his post about the Beatles. Only now I realized that it was LedSabbath who wrote that beautiful post. Sorry sorry. LedSabbath: thanks for your support! Yes AMAZONIC, please make sure you credit the correct person that beautifies your world with splendid and eloquent posts. Now that my head is nicely swelling, you've very welcome. By the way, you called me brother, but it's actually sister Oops. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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