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[kabbalahone]

Great band. They were great musicians, and great writers. As with Zep, I prefer the more non-radio friendly tracks. Stuff like Free-Four from Obscured By Clouds. Lucifer Sam is another amazing track, I think Sid sang. I really don't compare bands, because to me, songs or bands capture a mood or a moment for me.

Some songs are timeless and prophetic.
And some need to be deciphered.

[Humbucker]

with reference to gilmour playing bass - it is widely accepted that this is the case.
in fact waters himself has admitted this in numerous interviews

And your source for this information? What is known that Gilmour and Waters both played bass on One Of These Days.

RB

[Humbucker]

i agree generalizations dont work - but generally speaking i find...

You state here that generalisations don't work, and then continue do just that - generalise. Not the best way to form a coherent arguement, is it? You also appear to make up statistics as you go along, or make references to "widely accepted" information, unable to quote sources. Sure, it's fine you don't like Pink Floyd; there are millions who will agree with you. I think this is just a case of Trolling.

RB

[Humbucker]

Some songs are timeless and prophetic.
And some need to be deciphered.

Nick Mason: People often listen to the music and come up with a visualisation of what it's about and when they've had it they think they've got it, they've discovered the secret. Sometimes they even bother to write to us and say, "I've got the answer, it's cornfields, isn't it?"
Roger Waters: And when they say it to us we tell them the truth. We just say, "If that's what it is to you then that's what it is", because it can be whatever you want - it doesn't matter what you visualise - it's not important".

Roger Waters and Nick Mason on Pink Floyd. ZigZag, July 1973.

[kabbalahone]

Nick Mason: People often listen to the music and come up with a visualisation of what it's about and when they've had it they think they've got it, they've discovered the secret. Sometimes they even bother to write to us and say, "I've got the answer, it's cornfields, isn't it?"
Roger Waters: And when they say it to us we tell them the truth. We just say, "If that's what it is to you then that's what it is", because it can be whatever you want - it doesn't matter what you visualise - it's not important".

Roger Waters and Nick Mason on Pink Floyd. ZigZag, July 1973.

I was speaking of music in general.
It's very mathematical.
And I would have to disagree. Everything matters.

[caroselambra~]

You state here that generalisations don't work, and then continue do just that - generalise. Not the best way to form a coherent arguement, is it? You also appear to make up statistics as you go along, or make references to "widely accepted" information, unable to quote sources. Sure, it's fine you don't like Pink Floyd; there are millions who will agree with you. I think this is just a case of Trolling.

RB

firstly i have never said i dont like pink floyd - i said they are overrated a statement i stand by

please forgive me - the *generally speaking* quote was my poor attempt at humour.
it's certainly not trolling either.
i have made valid points which you seem unable to accept, in fact they seem to have upset you.
with regard to your other accusations of made up statistics, is suggest you do some homework on the subject of their bass playing, alternatively i can post some links if you like.
just let me know

[euro]

Pink Floyd must have being doing something right during their career, as it is reported that they sold over 210 million albums worldwide, whilst The Dark Side Of The Moon achieved a total of 1,500 weeks (over 28 years) on the Billboard and Pop Catalogue charts.
Overrated, or what?...I don't think so.

RB

They certainly are not underrated.
When you sell that many albums you only can be overrated

Edited by euro, 23 November 2008 - 06:20 AM.

[Humbucker]

They certainly are mot underrated.
When you sell that many albums you only can be overrated

Led Zepelin have reportedly sold over 300,000,000 albums, so on that basis they must also be overated. Still feel the same?

RB

[Humbucker]

... is suggest you do some homework on the subject of their bass playing, alternatively i can post some links if you like.
just let me know

Link away!

RB

[caroselambra~]

Link away!

RB

http://en.wikiquote....i/David_Gilmour

there a lots more if you dont believe this one

[caroselambra~]

from the horse's mouth
http://www.pinkfloyd...musician92.html

[Swede]

I love the Syd Barrett era. See Emily Play and Lucifer Sam are fantastic psych classics. I also like Dave's guitar playing and he's got a great voice which suit their style very well. But I really don't like The Wall, that PF stuff is terrible and definitley overrated IMO.

[talisman]

Dark Side Of The Moon was released 35 years ago and yet it still sounds more modern than anything else around today and im sure in another 35 years il be saying the same thing. That record is simply timeless!

[leddy]

Wow, that was just brilliant. Exactly how I feel about Pink Floyd.

Cool they were masters of it.

The feeling of space in their music is more likely the result of the way they produced their albums. Nowadays music is commonly smashed together to get it to be as loud as possible so as to 'stand out'.

Making it loud hasn't got anything to do with it, if its a one min piece or a 25 mins, alot of bands today want to just cram it with notes, they write the songs so if they want to play one note instead of 8 in the second they can. Dont get me wrong I love a bit of thrash and speed (and guilty of it myself when playing, but not all the time) but thats all it seems to be, not alot of contrast. Thats what sets Zep and Floyd apart from the wannabees I guess .

[DoubleNecker]

Eh, they can be overrated, but then again, so can Zep.

[euro]

Led Zepelin have reportedly sold over 300,000,000 albums, so on that basis they must also be overated. Still feel the same?

RB

Yes I do there are just too many starving musicians out there who deserve a bit of commercial success

[Wolfman]

people get sucked in by the media's presentation of things
*pink floyd in the album chart for 10 years*
hey they must be good lets go buy it.

they also used one of the cheapest tricks in the book - lyrics containing profanity.
it's an early version of what gangster rappers do today.

all impressionable kids love a bit of rebellion .

*bus stop rat bag - you fucked up old hag*

laughable lyrics and a cheap marketing ploy - but hat's off to them
it worked wonders

Yeah that's it. That's the dumbest thing I 've heard in awhile.

[hot dog]

For me Floyd are up there as one of the all time greats; they are not overrated, they thoroughly deserve their popularity. To me they are the biggest 'underground' band of the lot - never really hogged the limelight, didn't release singles for years etc, but grew and grew a massive audience not because they were superstars but on the strength of the music and their live performances. I know they're not to everyone's taste but the same can be said about anyone. I was lucky enough to see them live 4 times, including watching the very moving Live 8 performance from about 10 rows back. Since then we've sadly lost Syd and Richard and along with the latter any chance of further Floyd activity. Anyone who's seen them live will know just how much their music means to so many people.

[Swede]

...and what's wrong with lyrics containing profanity. It's just words, as any other words.

[Humbucker]

Yes I do there are just too many starving musicians out there who deserve a bit of commercial success

If the majority of people actually bought music rather than illegally downloading/file sharing music from the web then these "starving"musicians may just make some money. Commercial success depends on whether something is sellable or not; it's up to the general public and their wallets.

RB