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Strider

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About Strider

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    Blue-Eyed Merle
  • Birthday 07/29/1962

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    The Air Above the Din
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    Livin' long enough to see Pontiac Silverdome 1977 released on DVD. 1970 Bath, 1971 Japan soundboards, 1968 Europe and UK tours are also ones I hope to live long enough to see.

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  1. Ten Years Gone

    Don't look back. Something may be gaining on you. Dang. That sure was a quick ten years. I mean it has been roughly the same amount of time as the time between my purchase of Led Zeppelin's first album (July 1969) and "In Through the Out Door" (August 1979). That 10 years was packed with events and seemed to take forever. The 10 years since the O2 seems more like a blip. Nothing seems to have happened...we certainly still don't have any new Jimmy Page music. In 2007 I was in my 40s and could fool women into thinking I was younger. Now I am in my 50s and I ain't fooling anybody. I remember being excited for the show...and depressed I didn't win the ticket lottery or just bite the bullet and splurge on flying over to London and taking a chance on scoring a ticket at the venue. After the success of the Page & Plant tours and the Page & Black Crowes shows, I was fairly confident that this reunion would be the real deal and erase the bad memory of Atlantic 1988 and the 1994 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I remember the internet being slow around showtime...too many people logging on at the same time. I remember being astonished at the speed and quality with which the videos started popping up on Youtube...and devouring every one! And of course, being psyched they debuted "For Your Life"...sentimental over "Stairway"...and blown away by "Kashmir". I was happy for the people who got to see the show...especially the younger ones who missed out on Led Zeppelin. But mostly I felt happy for the lads. They had done it in front of the whole world. But I had no illusions this would lead to a future tour. One and done is how I saw the Ahmet Ertegun reunion. I'm at peace with that finality.
  2. Presence Success

    Some historical inaccuracies and cultural assumptions need to be addressed. As Bong-Man already noted, "Presence" was released before "The Song Remains the Same" double-live album. The notion that "Presence" did not receive radio play is also incorrect. By radio, I don't mean AM Top 40, which was the purview of teeny-boppers and had long been abandoned/ignored by Led Zeppelin and their fans. FM Rock radio was Led Zeppelin's domain and "Achilles Last Stand" and "Nobody's Fault But Mine" filled the airwaves upon the release of "Presence". Unless you lived in a town that did not have a decent FM rock station. Yes, 1976 was the beginning of FM radio consultants and corporate bean-counters exerting control of radio playlists and rock radio focusing on mainstream rock and less free-wheeling, anything goes antics. More easy-going Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Boston, Peter Frampton with the super-shiny sound of expensive studios. Less lengthy prog-rock, weird outsiders like Zappa and Beefheart, and anything deemed too unsafe for selling cars and stereos. But Led Zeppelin was too big to ignore by this point. Radio couldn't just stop playing Led Zeppelin...too many fans who called in their daily "Stairway to Heaven" request would revolt. All through 1976, "Achilles", "NFBM", "Hots on for Nowhere", and "For Your Life" would be played daily on my local stations KMET and KLOS and KWST. Even "Candy Store Rock" and "Tea For One" would get a spin at least every other day or so. The biggest misconception though is this idea that Punk shunted "Presence" aside. First of all, 1977 was "The Summer of Punk". Not 1976. Punk was barely on the radar in 1976. The Ramones finally ventured outside New York that year, famously playing London on the 4th of July and hitting Los Angeles in August. But NY bands such as Blondie, Television, Talking Heads were barely more than a rumour in April 1976. Most of them wouldn't tour outside New York until 1977. Same with the English punk bands, which got a jolt of inspiration from that July 4th Ramones gig, three months after "Presence" dropped. But it wasn't until 1977 that the first English punk band crossed the Atlantic to tour the U.S. That band was the Damned. The Jam followed later in the year in October. The Sex Pistols would not make it to the U.S. until 1978 and the Clash waited until 1979 before hitting our shores. As for radio, good luck finding punk rock on American radio in 1976. As most of the early punk singles and albums were only available as expensive import albums, a kid on a limited budget had to rely on radio to hear the new shit and most rock radio dropped the ball. Now that FM radio was a money-making cultural status symbol, punk was considered too lewd and crude for the aspirational yuppie crowd radio was cultivating. In 1976-77, it was left to a few college radio stations and independent DJ's like K-ROQ's Rodney Bingenheimer to spread the news about punk and play those early singles. Hardly enough to make a dent in mainstream conciousness, and certainly not a factor in how Led Zeppelin was received in 1976. Punk, especially in the U.K. media, did have some effect on how "In Through the Out Door" was received, but in 1976 it was mere shadows and whispers to the average rock fan. Then, there is the notion that "Presence" was a flop because it merely sold a couple million albums. That's like saying "Houses of the Holy" failed because it only sold 11 million compared to its predecessor's 23 million. The fact is that a band has a certain amount of hardcore fans that will buy every album. Then, every once in a while, a band may get lucky and release an album that connects with multiple demographics as well as the hardcore fans. An album like "Sgt. Pepper's", "Led Zeppelin IV", "Dark Side of the Moon", or "Purple Rain". Just because Led Zeppelin IV sold 23 million copies in the U.S. doesn't mean that those were all devoted Led Zeppelin fans. Some were just casual fans attracted by "Stairway to Heaven". Many copies of "IV" sold over the last 10-20 years were older fans replacing worn-out copies. Judging from the sales figures of Led Zeppelin in the decade of their existence 1969-1980, it is likely that Led Zeppelin had around 2 million hardcore fans that would regularly buy their albums. This compares favourably with the Rolling Stones, who only had around 500,000 hardcore record-buyers. All of Led Zeppelin's original albums were million-plus sellers. Five of them registered far enough into pop-culture across many demographics to become mega-sellers: "II", "IV", "Houses of the Holy", "Physical Graffiti", "In Through the Out Door". Most bands in that time would be lucky to have an album sell a miilion copies, let alone a multi-million seller. For a band to have multiple releases sell upwards of four or five million or more was a very rare thing. In fact, you can count only two that did it: The Beatles and Led Zeppelin. Even in 2017, they are the only bands that have five Diamond Albums in their catalogue...a Diamond Album is an album that has sold more than 10 million albums. Remember that the next time someone tries to tell you Pink Floyd, Kiss or the Eagles were as big as Led Zeppelin in the 1970s. Basically, people are punishing "Presence" because it falls in the huge shadow of "Physical Graffiti"'s colossal impact. But "Presence" still hit #1 on the charts, was Led Zeppelin's first album to receive the newly-created Platinum Award, and had four cuts that received regular radio play. So why didn't it cross over into mega-seller status? My thoughts are as follows... 1. "Physical Graffiti" was still popular and fresh in people's minds. I think the buying public and radio weren't ready for new product yet. Radio was still playing the shit out of "Physical Graffiti"...which meant newcomers to the band were still being introduced to Led Zeppelin and going out to buy the album. By April of 1976 "Kashmir" was getting as much airplay as "Stairway to Heaven". "Trampled Underfoot", "The Rover", "Ten Years Gone", "The Wanton Song", "Black Country Woman", "In My Time of Dying", "Custard Pie", "Houses of the Holy", "In the Light", "Night Flight", "Sick Again", "Down By the Seaside"...KMET and KLOS played all of these songs regularly. Some more than others but I'd bet not more than a day or two would go by without hearing even the less-played ones. Even "Boogie With Stu" and "Bron-yr-Aur" got airplay. So when "Presence" hit, radio added "Achilles" and "NBFBM" and other tracks, but people were still digesting "Physical Graffiti". And some new fans decided they liked "Physical Graffiti" songs better, so instead of rushing out to buy "Presence" they saved their money to buy the double-album "Physical Graffiti" instead. 2. If "Presence" was crowded out from the front by the lengthy spell cast by "Physical Graffiti", it then got squeezed in the end by the release of "The Song Remains the Same" movie and soundtrack. Another double-album, mind you. There simply was too much product in the marketplace (there was a recession at this time). Kids had to be picky with their allowance money. And because you could hear Led Zeppelin all day all night on the radio (even the live "TSRTS" cuts), one could rationalize not buying "Presence" because you could hear most of it on the radio anyway. 3. The darkness and claustrophobia of "Presence". There's no question "Presence" was Led Zeppelin's most stressful album as far as the psyche of the band and the recording conditions are concerned. It's an emotionally naked and honest album....maybe too honest. It also feels rushed at times...some songs could have benefited from fine-tuning and sharpening the lyrics. There is very little joy (save the funky "Royal Orleans"...and zero pastoral acoustic interludes. In a year where Aerosmith released their best album "Rocks", along with new albums from AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Boston, Queen, "Presence" didn't quite fit in with the party-rock vibe of that time. It's an ornery record...an odd duck...truly one for the hardcore fan. Which is why I like it. It's not music for the masses. It was not meant to be easily digestable...aural wallpaper like some Jimmy Buffet or Boston album. For such an album to sell as well as it did is testament to Led Zeppelin's power.
  3. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    Not quite...zepscoda beat you to the basement at 4-12. Congratulations jabe! You won your first week of the year. Week 14 Results jabe: 12-4* Bong-Man: 10-6 paul carruthers: 10-6 Strider: 10-6 the chase: 9-7 Junior: 9-7 LedZeppfan77: 8-8 Mrs. W: 8-8 Walter: 7-9 ebk: 6-10 zepscoda: 4-12 Season Standings After 208 Games 1. the chase: 140-68*** 2. Bong-Man: 139-69** 3. Strider: 138-70* 4. Junior: 135-73*** 4. Mrs. W: 135-73* 5. ebk: 133-75** 6. Walter: 125-83 7. zepscoda: 122-86* 8. jabe: 121-87* 9. LedZeppfan77: 117-91* 10. paul carruthers: 105-87*
  4. 2017 Major League Baseball thread....

    With an assist from Derek Jeter of the Marlins.
  5. 2017 NFL Thread

    I realize New England is rarely in a situation where they have to kick an onside-kick, and therefore probably don't practice it much...but that was the worst onside-kick attempt I have ever seen. I guess Miami bores New England into complacency because they looked like they were just going through the motions tonight. Playing without Gronk shouldn't have affected the Patriots that much. They are 20-5 without Gronk. Now the door is open for the Steelers to clinch home-field advantage thru the playoffs.
  6. I've Been Going to the...MOOOOvies

    Considering many people, especially younger ones, don't seem to have any idea about WWIi history or anything to do with the past (sorry, Wonder Woman and Captain America did not defeat the Nazis), these two movies come at a perfect time. Take the kids, take the family.
  7. 2017 NFL Thread

    Dude, Garoppolo looks like the real deal. San Francisco may have found their franchise quarterback. As an aside, I am sick of announcers saying "the Niners" when referring to San Francisco. It's the San Francisco 49ers! It refers to the year 1849...the California Gold Rush. Saying "Niners" makes no sense and disrespects the team's meaning. Stop saying "Frisco" or "San Fran", too. Say San Francisco or say nothing at all.
  8. 2017 NFL Thread

    That Indy @ Buffalo blizzard game was fun to watch! Minnesota and Detroit should never have built domed stadiums...we need more snow-games. How about Vinitieri nailing that 42-yard extra-point for the Colts in full-on white-out conditions? Meanwhile, Seattle's kicker blows another chipshot field goal. How does Blair Walsh still have his job?
  9. 2017 Major League Baseball thread....

    I can't believe it took this long for Jack Morris! 😮 Anybody see Rafael Palmiero trying to weasel his way back into baseball? Claiming he can still play at 53! Ha..what a delusional fool. It's only so he can extend his Hall of Fame eligibility.
  10. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    Back to the pool, jabe ran away with the week! Even getting his picks in late, he only lost three games to clinch Week 14 victory, as everyone has New England tonight. Maybe you should make your picks late every week, jabe? 😏
  11. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    Here we go again. You know, for someone who just got out of surgery, you sure do worry about some silly shit. And like your comrade in the White House, you just pile on lie after lie and hope someone buys it. Unless you really are that forgetful and cannot remember what you post. Frankly, we had already sussed everything out and LedZeppfan77 explained how he was joking. So, of course you come along a week later to try to roil the waters again. We're onto your game. Here's the proof YOU brought YOURSELF into this and were the first to cast aspersions on Walter way back on October 7 in the NFL Thread. At least be a man and own up to your shit-stirring. This passive-aggressive behavouir of yours (Oh ___ you're the best! Oh ___ you're the best foreva and eva! ) is so transparent. I didn't mention anything about you that we discussed in private. All I said was already public knowledge courtesy of your own posts. Deal with it. Perhaps you should stop being a busy-body trying to spread bullshit and instead concentrate on your recovery from surgery? We wouldn't want you to suffer a setback during Christmas. Good luck and Merry Christmas. Please don't send me any more PMs. I don't care anymore...if that makes me the bad guy, so be it. Life is too short.
  12. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    New Orleans - L The Saints could have made things so much easier with a win. Now it's a logjam in the NFC South and Atlanta is still alive. Buffalo. Goddammit Rick...I can finally unapologetically root for your Bills this week. I cannot stand the Dolts. Carolina. My instinct tells me to keep riding the hot team in Minnesota. My instinct is usually wrong when it comes to Carolina games...so I'm going against it. Cincinnati. What a shit-sandwich of a game. Every person attending should get a refund. When is Marvin Lewis going to get fired for running a losing, dirty team? Ain't nobody shedding tears for that POS Berfict. Green Bay. The Packers still have a playoff chance while the Browns need to lose so as not to lose their #1 to San Francisco or the Giants. San Francisco. I believe the '49ers may have found their quarterback...and didn't have to give up too much to New England to get him. Seattle. You've seen Seattle's record in the month of December. Oakland. The freaking Giants and Jets have beaten Kansas City. If Oakland cannot win this game then coach Jack Del Rio should be fired. Detroit. Why Bong-Man? Why do I keep thinking Detroit will turn a corner? Arizona. Meh. Neither team instills confidence in a betting-man. Basically a coin-flip game. Denver. Only because the Broncos are at home and I don't trust the Jets on the road. Chargers. I hate picking the Carson Chumps. But they control their playoff destiny while I think the Redskins have quit on Gruden and this season. Rams. Rams and Eagles in a Battle for NFC Supremacy? Just shows how topsy-turvy the NFL can be one season to the next (save New England). Dallas. In Hollywood, Eli comes back to lead the Giants to victory and get revenge for his benching. But I'm not buying it. Pittsburgh. Baltimore-Pittsburgh is usually the most brutal rivalry. Which makes one wonder how they will top last week's Bengals-Steelers brawl. New England. Gronk deserved a bigger suspension. That was a chickenshit cheapshot. But even without Gronk, New England is better than Miami and still highly motivated to win out and finish ahead of Pittsburgh.
  13. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    Where is jabe?
  14. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    chase, I need your Washington @ Chargers pick.
  15. 2017 NFL "potted plant" Memorial Pool

    Who are you gonna believe...me or CBS? 😜
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