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duckman

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  1. Wasn't that during the period Claude Nobs' tape archive was being transferred to digital (and one of those analog reels 'escaped' for a moment)? On the net there was a photo of a BASF tape reel (in a Kodak film box). Don't take my word for gospel though.😇
  2. I don't understand the graph...SBD 1 displays the gaps of the old stereo 'multi track' dub...SB2 shows very small segments available from D&C, MD, WLL and snippets of the encores 😖
  3. I agree, Steve...it smells 'fishy' (sorry Eric S). Obviously there are tracks held back. IMHO (I hope I'm wrong) Dazed & Confused and Moby Dick probably still will cut out on this release nevertheless. Friends seemingly is on disc One, but why was Stairway ommited? Anyway, it doesn't make sense the gap between SIBLY and D&C... Stairway follows D&C, Celebration Day should be on the (hypothetical) second reel with the acoustic set. Friends precedes Smoke Gets in Your Eyes, What is, Moby Dick...gap...Communication Breakdown/Rock'n Roll. So Discs 1 and 2 must be relatively short discs...even if Dazed & Moby Dick are complete (which I doubt).
  4. Xolo, I'm still pretty convinced a (neigh on) complete 929 SB (like the N.America 75 boards) remains utopian. The unpredictable lengths of D&C, Moby Dick and Whole Lotta Love are a pain in the A** for any roadie/sound-tech in charge of changing the tape reels. Betty Cantor-Jackson had two sophisticated NAGRA decks (equipped with pilot tone) to record the Grateful Dead and she could focus on her recordings. Even if one of her decks ran out of tape, she could anticipate and charge deck 2 and still being in sync.
  5. Wow Steve, thanks for that wake up call (it's 7.30 here in Belgium and I just woke up). Did some digging and found the track listing: Disc One Immigrant Song, Heartbreaker, SIBLY, Dazed & Confused Disc Two Smoke Gets in your Eyes, What is and what should never be, Moby Dick, Communication Breakdown, Rock'n Roll Very weird....what happened to Stairway and Friends???? and most of all, Whole Lotta Love ?
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    BBC Sessions Appreciation

    Hi there yes, the first part of WLL on the TMOQ boot, is from the same studio June session as Traveling Riverside. And it's during the theremin section you can hear Robert screaming 'Train I ride, Sixteen coaches long'. Mind you it's only the lyrics, the rest of the band is indulging in the orgastic part of WLL. At the time I didn't get it... the rest of the TMOQ album was stereo and that first section of WLL was mono and sounded different (haha because it was recorded in a studio, with guitar overdub)
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    BBC Sessions Appreciation

    As a teenager with little pocket money, TMOQ's Stairway to Heaven was the second boot lp I could afford (After May 24 'Earl's Court'). Mostly culled from the intimate 71 Paris Theatre show in sparkling stereo , the first part of Whole Lotta Love was replaced by the June 69 studio Beeb version. What a tremendous experience "Train I ride, sixteen coaches long". And of course Robert chatting with the audience and John Peel (I originally thought it was John Lennon 😴). The Beeb sessions are an integral part of the Zeppelin canon.
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    Offenburg March 1973

    The Offenburg 1973 show is an exceptional one, no doubt about that. The tape in circulation is fantastic and the performance a no brainer. There are two things that kept me wondering First ; Offenburg is a beautiful but also a pretty small city (according to Wiki it has less than 60000 citizens). So why on earth would Zep want to include a town such as this include in their tour schedule ? The other issue is when you listen to the audience tape, there's this French speaking chap in the audience ("assie salope!", which means sit down b*tch). Offenburg is not too far removed from France, but to me that is rather awkward. Please fellow Zep heads –young and old- let your light shine on this enigma
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    Holy Grails

    Yep, the source for these better sounding tracks was a rare boot compilation LP on the Krishna label. However I thought there was a consensus that the upgrade (first gen?) Bath tape that got circulated a few years ago, sounded identical to the two tracks on the Krishna LP..
  10. Anyone else noticed this? Niwa has removed his upcoming Empress 929 SB announcement on Air Raid. Last year, Deus Ex Machina's release suffered from a delay, but I hope this one is not postponed or cancelled...my goodness, that would turn me into a very grumpy old man😈
  11. Hi Mate, sorry for the delay but I had to wait for the weekend to guesstimate the reel changes. (FWIW I used my more or less complete Wendy 6CD 929 to do the timings). caution: With the exception of the 928 and 929 SB snippets, I reviewed the N.American soundboards to check the different editorial scenario's regarding the probable completeness of the upcoming 929 SB. (Immigrant, Stairway and Friends have been presented in complete and uncut form from the 929 SB already so these will act as references) So there we have three available SB recordings from N.America 1971: Orlando (110'), Toronto (50'), Hampton (96'). What we do know from the nineties, is that one (1!) reel to reel tape from Toronto got into tapers/collector's circulation (Stairway until Moby Dick-cut-so technically this would be a 'second reel' from a more complete set of tapes) and two (2)reels from Hampton (Cut into Immigrant until D&C (cut) and a second reel starting from Stairway cutting out on Moby Dick). According to Early Days/Latter Days' Andy Adams (who held the tape boxes in his hands ), these were 1/4" reel to reels, likely recorded at 7" 1/2 IPS. And last but not least, the earliest of three SB shows, a slightly superior and lengthier (110') SB of Orlando (released only during the Empress Valley SB revolution at the dawn of the 21th century). First and for all I'm with you hoping the sound tech had his act together by now and checked the regular set list before changing reels to capture 50 minutes of the show at once. Sadly, the inevitable pittfals 'remain the same'☹️ Considering one Revox reel to reel deck was available behind the mixing console and the tape length of each available reel, was technically limited to (less than) 50 minutes for each reel, these are the scenario's. And for my convenience I put -hypothetically -Clive Coulson as the sound tech behind the Revox, responsible for changing reels...Good Luck, Clive😈. hypothetical 929 reel One: Immigrant-Dazed (50 minutes) First Cut will occur during -oh horror- Dazed and Confused (minutes before Pennies from heaven)....unless Clive already changed reels after 30 minutes (right after Black Dog) hypothetical 929 reel Two: Stairway-Friends, incl. Smoke gets in your eyes (50 minutes) ....unless Clive changed reels during Dazed and caught up during Pennies, (than we have a different story) hypothetical 929 reel Three : What is and what should never be-Whole lotta Love medley (NOOOOOOOOO....cut before Good Time Bad Times) hypothetical 929 reel Four (rest of WLL hopefully), THE encores including Communication Breakdown, Organ Solo/Thank You , Rock' n Roll (26 or 40 minutes.... if Clive changed reels during the last half ofWLL) Considering the show's generous 200 minutes length, the (optimistic) four reels scenario, the SB source can easily be transferred to three discs and whatever the end result, I'm ON September 29. Let's hope for some miracles, but in either way...929 SB will BE my LZ 50th anniversary cherry on the cake 😴
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    New Mexico 1973 Soundboard

    Denver, Co I believe....remember that was a really short soundboard release. Salt Lake City has an interesting finale with Georgia On My Mind
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    Which shows do we know were multitracked?

    https://genius.com/Garnet-mimms-as-long-as-i-have-you-lyrics and than you have Chuck Berry's No Money down (staple diët in Zep's As Long as I have you medley ) http://www.metrolyrics.com/no-money-down-lyrics-chuck-berry.html
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    Which shows do we know were multitracked?

    That's - I'm afraid- the "No money down" segment of the medley. "As long as I have you", starts with "I was born in darkness". Never mind. I'll start preparing banners for our protest march on Times Square, stating #As long as we can have you TOO'
  15. My only hope is EV is not going to force us to buy the SB with yet another version of the old stereo tape.If they want to do the Super deluxe way, they should pair it with what's available from 928 SB. An astute attempt at a matrix of the SB/stage recording is also OK, but I will probably stick to the 929 SB.
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    Which shows do we know were multitracked?

    By 1971 the ol' Beeb employed slightly more sophisticated recoding units. I would wager four track 1/2"... taken into consideration the higher fidelity of the Paris Theatre recordings (especially the nineties re broadcast from Japan, featuring the less extreme stereo separation ). If one of the legendary April Fillmore 69 shows is considered for the 5Oth anniversary release, than 'As Long As I Have You' should be included since it's one of the cornerstones of their Spring setlist (IMHO)
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    Led zep film- TSRTS

    I have nothing to add to the previous posters, except this.If you watch Scorsese's Shine a Light, you can sense the stress among the film crew. Even for an award winning director and a highly skilled team. Getting hold of the definitive setlist, those guest appearances plus the staple interaction moments between Keef, Mick, Woody and the rest . And this is the 4K digital age, where the camera's have plenty of headroom, auto focus, high tech dolly/crane/steadicam/ drone devices etc... Until the 21h century successful directors like Jonathan Demme, Marty (Last Waltz) and Peter Clifton had to work with cumbersome 35mm film camera's having 10/11 minutes worth of film length per magazine, limited film speed/sensitivity and a handful of manual focus zoom/prime lenses. A concert movie is difficult, making a movie of a Zeppelin show is even more cumbersome. Ideally the Clifton crew should have consisted of professionals who were die hard Zep heads. Knowing the standard setlist by heart, anticipating the moment Jimmy would get into a solo, Bonzo hit the cymbals, and so on. In the meanwhile keeping those Arriflex or Panavision camera's in focus whilst monitoring the light changes...pure horror. Clifton wasn't the best choice for the director's seat and a lot of the movie leaves to be desired, but as a genre concert movies are a BIG challenge. 'Stop Making Sense', one of the greatest concert movies ever was storyboarded before filming in a compact seized theatre. The Last Waltz was also well prepared in advance. Just to give you an idea
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Dear Brethren and sisters...please, please. Can we show some empathy towards our favorite vocalist of all time? Imagine an artist in his sixties/seventies who's still active and -to this very day- manages to entertain thousands of music enthousiasts. This artist -like it or not- loves to perform and record with inspiring musicians and gives a contemporary twist to our great musical heritage, be it folk, world music, R&B, hard rock. If you were this person, would you be happy to be constantly interviewed/ interrogated on the same 1/5th slice of your career? Be honest, nope...Jimmy is the curator/archivist of Zeppelin and he loves to talk about this particular era. Robert -to put it polite- cherry picks from his musical past and looks forward. Yep, I'm one of you and I feel frustrated by the fact there's a veritable treasure trove lining the vaults. Oh Yeah...I would be a very happy punter if the gates of delirium would be opened (preferably all at once) during the remains of this 50th anniversary year. And by January 16, 2019 we all are happy indulging these hefty super deluxe boxed sets including Surrey/Marquee, Scandinavia 68, MSG 1970, Japan 1971, Europe 1973, N.America/Earl's Court 1975 and 1977 (Forum, MSG,...). But I'm in my mid fifties now and still feel extremely privileged by the gems that came my way since 1990:Olympic Gold, Fillmore West 69, Texas Pop, RAH/Montreux 1970, L.A & MSG 1970, Japan 1971, Studio Daze, Bombay Sessions, Europe 73, the 1975 soundboard revolution, the 75/77 Millard archives. let's wait and see 😚
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    Moonchild - Winston remasters new label?

    just below the Air Raid website banner of you'll find a shortcut stating now available (Empress Valley Moonchild)
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Sure, editing out Plantations has been a part of the policy ever since 'The Song Remains The Same' where before Stairway, "this is a beautiful song..."so shurrup'" was cut out.. What I meant was the use of explicit quotes/lyrics, mostly during medleys. It's no secret that Percy is annoyed by his insistent use of 'baby, baby, ooh baby' s in Zep days
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Earl's Court... mainly for the in between songs plantations , but also older stuff like the medley from Montreux 70 where the N word is used (in Bottle up and Go/Boogie Cillun'). You don't need a PhD in popular culture to place these explicit lyrics in their context, but I can imagine that Robert prefers not to be a associated with these lines this day. Of course Jimmy could edit this, but it would affect the flow.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    I'm also convinced it's Robert who is vetoing any live release. Embarrassed about the -not so politically correct- plantations on women, illegal substances and whatnot
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    I don't know about Peter Grant's negative feelings on live albums, but Jimmy was quite proud of the Zep live heritage as he would have loved to release a chronological live anthology. Just like for the Knebworth and Earl's Court gigs, he rented a mobile unit for the Royal Albert Hall show(the Pye mobile which was also used a few weeks later for the Who's Live at Leeds/Hull). RAH was filmed -documentary style- on 16mm and was IMHO never intended to be a feature length concert movie. Only as part of a documentary. The Earl's court footage's sole purpose was to be used on the screens during the show. Still, Jimmy wheeled out the 16 track machines to capture the shows on audio.
  24. I bought the Uncut Ultimate Music Guide yesterday...very disappointed. Same pics and even the reviews looked very much familiar. And again that stupid mix up with dates of the 69 and 70 RAH shows. Somehow these magazine editors just copy and paste their stuff over and over again...including mistakes. In the section of the singles they didn't even bother to mention the RSD 7" release of Friends/Rock'nRoll😡
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    How the West Was Won Album Cover

    I have absolutely no problem with the four individual photos. IMHO It's the overall art work design that feels really cheap A substandard desk top compositing job. It reminds me more of a box for a family board game than a cover of a great live album. The idea behind it was to mimic a fifties Western movie poster ( hence the typography & the album's title). But it makes no sense: Bonzo hammering his Ludwig kit, Jimmy and Jonesy clutching their respective Gibson double neck and Fender instruments? Our heroes conquering the Wild West? The BBC sessions artwork was not a graphic design masterpiece, but at least it had no pretense. it just screamed 'this is an archival release'. HTWWW would have faired better if a great live picture was used, or a stark image like their Welcome back 72 tour ad, maybe?
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