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  1. Trentham Gardens '73 was Multi Tracked

    Not sure if Montreux '70 is a rough mixdown or just a soundboard, but I do agree with your sonic assessment/comparison of how it sounds vs Stoke and Liverpool.
  2. Presence Success

    Lots of good points here. My $.02: Overall I think Presence was hugely popular initially, like all Zep albums - the difference is that it didn't keep selling for as long as the others and didn't lodge in the rock pantheon of great/massive albums. One reason is that TRSTS came out soon after, and since it was sort of a live greatest hits, it probably was a more comfortable, familiar listen for people, so they shifted their attention to that. I would think others are right too that the absence of "light and shade" was a problem, but on the other hand, the radio hits almost always were the heavier songs. So again, I doubt the absence of acoustic guitar and such were a deterrent to initial purchases of the album - but I am guessing that was a deterrent to the album having more staying power. It was indeed the time of punk. It predated the Pistols (barely), but Zep's popularity was strongest in the U.S., and while punk often is thought of as a UK thing, the New York Dolls, The Ramones, Iggy Pop, etc were creating the original punk scene in the U.S. in the '73-'76 period, so there definitely was something already in the air in Zep's biggest market when Presence came out. Finally, there is just something unapproachable and gloomy about Presence. I think that makes it a fascinating and intense album, but it has a really astringent, cold sound to it - even the funny lyrics and the funk-oriented lines Bonham and Jones play, I don't know, there's just something sinister and almost depressing about the sonic profile.
  3. Trentham Gardens '73 was Multi Tracked

    Sean can say for sure, but I believe Winston used a different source, as he did his remaster before Sean's source started circulating.
  4. Trentham Gardens '73 was Multi Tracked

    There's no evidence that this show was multitracked, and there's no sonic evidence that the circulating soundboard source actually is a rough professional multitrack mixdown. The clarity of the drums/bottom end, and the relative clarity of the top end, is because Winston is very good at remastering this stuff. A quick listen to the original, unremastered source will, I think, convince most folks that this is indeed just a soundboard tape. This source was in no way "recorded better" than Southampton, and it does not have any sonic benefits that aren't audible on other decent soundboard sources from the early 1973 UK/EU tour. Of course I would love it if this were a multitrack - or, more to the point, if a multitrack existed for this show even if the circulating source is not that. But I think the chances are slim to none. It is a great performance, though. My favorite moment is when Page plays a little bit of Voodoo Child (Slight Return) during Whole Lotta Love.
  5. It Makes Me Wonder

    This is the most likely reason IMHO.
  6. Yardbirds '68 out Nov 5th

    The fault is small but quite audible, and it's on the CD version only. Disc 1, track 6 - Over Under Sideways Down - near the very end of the track at around 2:13, during decay of Page's final guitar note, there's about a 1/10th of a second total dropout. For many of us, it sticks out like a sore thumb. For some others it's not as noticeable - but once you hear it' you can't un-hear it.
  7. Yardbirds '68 out Nov 5th

    FYI, jimmypage.com emailed purchasers of the CD version acknowledging the manufacturing fault at the very end of disc 1 track 6 (Over Under Sideways Down), and saying they'd be sending a corrected CD 1 out to folks next week. No idea how - or if - this applies to people who did not purchase direct from jimmypage.com.
  8. Trivia On Led Zeppelin (31 Questions)

    26 - but I too think the Anger movie answer is wrong.
  9. What next? AGAIN

    Only partially true. On his 2015 tour he sang a good number of Zep tunes, like Trampled Under Foot for example, along with songs from his own catalogue, in the usual forceful manner. I do agree that he alternates now and is not full-throttle the whole time. And he also plays shorter shows than Zep used to.
  10. Why In Through The Out Door is a GREAT album

    Agreed. And on a somewhat tangential note, Coda is a so-so album only because Physical Graffiti was such a great album. Had the seven 1970-72 outtakes on PG still been in the can and available for use on Coda in 1982, Coda would've been an incredible single album, or a very good double album, and to this day probably would be considered one of the two or three greatest albums ever released by a band after its demise.
  11. What next? AGAIN

    I can't believe folks still are talking about a Zep reunion. It's not going to happen. Page is years - years - away from being in any practice/shape to play well on stage. Plant is in great voice, but he's doing 90-minute shows with only about 1/4 to 1/3 of the songs sung the way he'd have to sing Zep songs. Even in 2007 with the O2 show, Plant admitted (in 2012 when Celebration Day came out) that they had to autotune some of his wails at the end of Kashmir because he was "running out of gas." And all of that is totally aside from the fact that Plant has zero interest in reuniting again, and that despite Page's and Jones' willingness at the time to do a tour, all three of them consider the O2 the final redemption for the flawed Live Aid and Atlantic Anniversary reunions - not to mention the period at the end of the sentence of the Page-Plant era. It's done. There's no bookend - the idea of a reunion to commemorate the 10th anniversary of a one-off show that was itself a reunion, makes no sense. Led Zeppelin will never take the stage again.
  12. Live better than Studio

    I love so many of the live performances too, but for me they're so different in feel from the studio versions that in most cases I don't necessarily prefer either one. For example, how could you choose between the live and studio versions of Whole Lotta Love and Dazed? They're too different, and both versions of each song are totally essential. The live tracks often excel because (as others have noted above) they're more muscular, and sometimes because they're looser and more fun. But I also think the band did suffer at times from being a four-piece and in particular from having only one lead guitar on stage. Jones very capably stepped up with the triple-neck in some cases, but for the most part their live arrangements lacked the guitar overdubs that Page relied on so often in the studio. So with that said, the only live versions I can think of at the moment that I personally find definitively better than the studio ones are: Communication Breakdown (the best live versions are just ferocious; studio version is great proto-punk but sounds like a wild animal caged up - live the animal was set free; and the Jam Sandwich breakdown adds a whole other dimension) Celebration Day (really opens up live, and also never loved Jones' bass sound on the studio version) The Song Remains the Same (don't like the sped-up helium vocals on the studio version, and the studio version lacks a little rhythmic oomph compared to the live versions) No Quarter (don't like the slowed-down quaalude vocals on the studio version, and the best live versions have fantastic solos)
  13. Plant's vocals on I'm Gonna Crawl

    Agree 100% with all the kudos for I'm Gonna Crawl. I've never understood why it's so underrated among Zep fans. I think it's a monster and a wonderful performance.
  14. Yardbirds '68 out Nov 5th

    Glad you got yours, but lots of folks have not in fact received shipment notification emails.
  15. Yardbirds '68 out Nov 5th

    Thanks for the tip! They've got some nerve, though, putting that notice after there before they've even emailed a lot of the folks who pre-ordered to let them know when their orders are shipping. Bush league.