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tmtomh

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  1. Yes, and that has not gone unnoticed there either! If something has changed since he originally posted about this stuff, of course no one could've seen that coming. But if he knew that something was in the works with as much certainty as he indicated, then he also must know at least something now about what's going on (or not going on). The silence suggests to me that the level of confidence/certainty of the earlier posts might have been overstated.
  2. I hear you on that, but since the choice is either nothing or Page-Frankenstein version, I'll take the latter in a heartbeat, especially since it's possible that the whole 929 show, including WLL, is still out there in the sound quality of the recently surfaced soundboard. It's why the Good Lord invented bootlegs - so you can have the whole night's performance in decent quality as an alternative to the official, edited version. 😀
  3. I think this is a very realistic notion. I've been saying to folks hoping for a last-minute release this year that the Zep I release date is much more realistic for a new 50th anniversary release to come out. But given we've heard nothing yet, I am more inclined to agree with you that we will have to wait until Jan 2019 just to get the announcement, with the release in March. My understanding is that the original intention likely was not to miss the Christmas season - TSRTS reissue apparently was supposed to come out earlier in the year, but was delayed, throwing off the whole timeline.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    I don't entirely agree, but I do partially agree, and I get where you're coming from 100%. For HTWWW, though, our only choices are the original 2003 mastering and the 2018 remastering. And IMHO the 2018 is more laid-back and natural-sounding, not '70s-sounding, but IMHO closer to it. To my ears the 2003 mastering sounds like it's fighting the sonic character of the source, punching it up to make it sound "modern." The 2018, while constrained to use the 2003 mix (which is very different than a '70s-era mix would have been), sounds like it's letting the source be more what it is. I would guess John Davis' mastering work on the 2018 live reissues was more subtractive than additive.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Thanks for checking - much appreciated, and very interesting. Also, I agree with the gist of what you ay here - WLL (and I would say many other tracks) are much fuller sounding and more impactful, but the '76 mix is airier and the '76 mastering is more dynamic - and of course the '76 edits for Celebration Day, No Quarter, and Whole Lotta Love are far superior. On a purely sonic level, though, I actually prefer the new 2018 Davis remaster - even though it uses the congested 2007 Shirley mix, I think Davis' mastering results in a less fatiguing and more natural sound than Shirley's own 2007 mastering. Between the '76 and '07 masterings, though, I'll take '76 in a heartbeat.
  6. James did a great service to everyone with that merge of all the soundboard tracks! One thing I've learned recently from folks with a better ear for pitch than me: Apparently this soundboard source runs 1.5% to 2% fast. It's easy to fix in Audacity or another free app. I slowed my copy down by 1.5% (because it's better to end up with a source that might be a tiny bit fast than a tiny bit slow - nothing sounds worse than a tape that runs too slow). It was easy and the result is great.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Are you sure the vocals are actually different? I'm not saying you're wrong, just asking, because while agree that the new version's vocals aren't as exciting, I thought that was because the 2007/2018 simply omits bits and pieces of the original vocal track - there's a particularly egregious muting of Plant's final yell before Page goes into his solo.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    I agree with you wholeheartedly about Celebration Day - the final minute or so of the original was an amazing piece of music. I like having a 2nd version of that part of the song available, but I'd much rather have the current version as some kind of bonus/special feature and have the original '76 version as the main current version on the album.
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    Yes, I agree: The original 1976 mix and edits are much-loved, and with good reason. But sonically, this new 2018 remastering of the 2007 mix/edits is the best this album ever has sounded IMHO. If it weren't for those missing 2 minutes of No Quarter and that missing minute of Whole Lotta Love, it'd be sublime.
  10. Yes, somewhat shallower depth of field in Preston's, gives a superior effect.
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    Companion discs are rubbish

    Haven't listened to that in awhile - I will have to revisit it. Thanks!
  12. I like that the Fortune pic is in color, but I always thought Preston captured the image best - I prefer the shot angle (and what appears to be just a slightly different moment in time) of Preston's photo.
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    Companion discs are rubbish

    I don't think the point was to add to the original album in any musical way. That's why the companion discs were optional, with original album-only versions also available. And that's why they put out a complete separate disc for each album instead of adding 2-3 bonus tracks onto the end of the main album (which I would've hated, personally). As for your opinion that not much on any of the companion discs that's worth getting, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you're into the CD format, than the Zep I companion disc gets you the best sounding version of the very nice Paris '69 show (with Moby Dick included, albeit with some edits in Heartbreaker and How Many More Times), for just $2 or $3 over the cost of the single-disc Zep I reissue. The Zep III companion disc has Celebration Day without that damned synthesizer intro; a completely alt. version of Since I've Been Loving You; the beautiful version of That's the Way at the original speed and with dulcimer; Jennings Farm Blues; and Key to the Highway/Trouble in Mind. The PG companion disc gets you Bonham and Page doing an early version of Sick Again (which has the Rover-style intro they always used when they played the song live) and the totally alt version of In the Light. And the Coda companion discs are a treasure trove, with that blistering alt. version of Bring It on Home; an early and totally alt. version of Levee; the two Bombay '72 tracks; the mythical St. Tristan's Sword, which Zep fans have yearned for for many years; the original Walter's Walk instrumental without the 1982 Plant vocals and Page overdubs; a really great version of Bonzo's Montreux that's better than the version on the main album; another alt. version of In the Light; and an early version of the Wanton Song with alt. (and really cool) vocals. Even the Houses of the Holy companion disc, which IMHO does indeed contain little of value, does have the original instrumental concept of The Song Remains the Same, with extra, never-before heard Page guitar lines - a longtime grail for many hardcore Zep fans. I will agree that the Zep II companion disc is cool but nothing to write home about; that the Zep IV companion disc is of relatively little value; and that the In Through the Out Door companion disc straight up sucks (despite the alt. version of In the Evening and the more guitar-heavy version of Carouselambra), owing to the inclusion of three mono "rough mixes" of three of the album's most important tracks, in appalling sound quality.
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    Led Zeppelin 50th Anniversary

    The only reason you're surprised JPJ wasn't there is because you're not mad at him, and you are mad at Plant. Agree 100%..
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    New "Song Remains The Same" 2CD/4LP/3DVD Deluxe Set

    This is the main reason I purchased the Blu-Ray versions of the HTWWW and TSRTS reissues. Don't get me wrong - I like the high-res format, and it's good to have the surround tracks too. But to me the new, 2018 mastering sounds virtually identical on the Blu-Ray and CD versions. But the ability to put in a single disc and hear the whole thing is just such a joy and makes such a big difference when it comes to a live show, especially Zeppelin. I also agree with those who say that the new TSRTS mastering (like the new HTWWW) sounds modestly but quite noticeably better than the prior mastering. Less fatiguing, more open, more laid back and natural. With both releases you're still stuck with Kevin Shirley's original mix, but John Davis' new mastering clearly is superior - enough of a difference that I am listening to both albums more than I used to. As for why the TSRTS audio has to match the movie's visuals, it doesn't have to. In 2007 (or in 2018 if he wanted to re-do it all again), Page could have made an audio-only release that differed from the film's actual soundtrack, as was done in 1976. But the 1976 version that we all love so much was in many ways a happy accident, a product of the limitations of vinyl run-times back in the day. Even the mighty Zep probably couldn't (or wouldn't) have released the 4-LP monster necessary to replicate the movie soundtrack on vinyl. That became feasible only in more recent years, when the kids of the '70s became middle-aged and had a lot more disposable income, and high-end/deluxe vinyl became a more viable market. So in '76, once they were forced to edit it down and make an audio-only 2-LP version, the decision to make custom edits and mixes for audio followed naturally and logically from that. When TSRTS was re-done in 2007, however, not only did we have the CD medium, but the current vinyl resurgence was in its infancy (which is why Dazed was split over 2 LP sides - vinyl still was a niche afterthought at that time). With CDs, the movie soundtrack and the audio release could finally easily be synchronized and unified - it would require only a single fadeout, between CD1 and CD2. In that case the decisions also followed naturally and logically, only in the opposite direction compared with '76: If the 2007 re-do was supposed to be the ultimate version for posterity, and there were no technological barriers to producing a single ultimate version, then of course Page was going to unify the soundtrack. How can a version be ultimate or definitive if you make two different versions? The edits mandated by the video footage are of course unfortunate (to say the least!) when it comes to No Quarter and Whole Lotta Love, but the other new edits and changes are mostly a matter of taste rather than a clear case of better vs worse. I still think Page should have just said, f*** it, I'm unifying all the edits except I'm leaving in that glorious 2 minutes in No Quarter and that wonderful Crunge section of WLL when it comes to the audio version. But alas, he didn't.
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    Lawsuit over Stairway to Heaven

    Spot on. I've always felt Spirit's case was weak, but I confess I've had some ambivalence - I've sort of felt 75-25 in favor of Zeppelin. But after watching Beato's video, my ambivalence is gone. Others did somewhat similar videos when the case first went to trial, but Beato's is by far the most concise, the clearest, and has the most evidence packed into it. In fact, Zep should just call him as an expert witness and be done with it.
  17. I agree with those who are praising the overall sound of this soundboard. I find gibsonfan's comment about the sound of Friends interesting - and I think it makes sense as I've not heard a lot of Zep soundboards where both the acoustic set and the regular/electric tracks both sound equally good. My guess is that Friends sounds different and perhaps slightly inferior for that reason - the three instrumentalists moved to chairs, probably with different mics, and the whole tonal balance of the instruments was different - no thundering drumset and no electric bass or guitar.
  18. It's excellent sounding, especially for a pre-'75 board. It is mono, however. As for it not being complete, that is a shame, and we don't know if EVSD has the whole board or only part of it. Remember that a lot of pre-1975 Zep soundboards are incomplete - maybe even a majority of them. It is unfortunate that Stairway and Friends aren't on this latest release, since they were released on two of the teaser CD-singles earlier. The biggest absence, of course, is Whole Lotta Love. Would be great if that surfaced in the future.
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    Led Zeppelin 50th Anniversary

    Yeah, it's pretty epic. 👍
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    Led Zeppelin 50th Anniversary

    The real 50th Anniversary celebration has begun, now that the new EVSD Japan 929 soundboard is in the wild. Man, what a show, and what an amazing sounding source, incomplete though it is.
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