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Bonzo_fan

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  1. Bonzo_fan

    How the west was won

    I agree with you about Robert's voice and Bonham's snare sounding thin. I've never found the tempos to be a problem, though, and I prefer "Black Dog" a tad rushed if the alternative is too slow. My favourite version is 8/21/71 LA, and that one is coked up by "Black Dog" standards!
  2. Bonzo_fan

    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    Listening to 9/19/70 NY (Evening Show) a day late today, as I listened to the afternoon show yesterday. I forgot how great and intense the outro section of "Dazed And Confused" is from this show--wow! That's one of the sections that kept getting better as the years went along, but there aren't many Dazed outros as intense as this one! Hopefully this one is next-in-line for a soundboard release after 9/29/71!
  3. Bonzo_fan

    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    True, I forgot about that. I agree; Dazed from that show qualifies as special and unique as well. I would go with a Europe '73 version for the best instrumental virtuosity, but as far as its peak as a complete piece of music, more than just a song--like a symphony or opera, the 3/21/75 version takes the cake IMO. Each section has reached the peak/end of its evolution and is executed perfectly, with smooth and flawless transitions between each one.
  4. Bonzo_fan

    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    Neither do I. I've always liked that part as well.
  5. Bonzo_fan

    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    5/24/75 is definitely overrated, except for Trampled through to the end. And yes, a 6/22/77 soundboard would be a Godsend 🙏 I think the fact that the SB of the Noise Solo from 6/23/77 circulates, coupled with the release of the 3/21/75 & 9/29/71 SBs, proves that 6/22/77 and other 'holy grail' SBs likely exist...it's only a matter of time. And it's certainly encouraging that they would release 3/21/75 & 9/29/71 in consecutive years...
  6. Bonzo_fan

    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Thanks, Strider 😊
  7. Bonzo_fan

    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    I think it's certainly one of the top contenders, but I don't think it's quite as obvious a choice as is sometimes suggested. As a drummer, I find different aspects of his playing stand out to me on each album/touring year. Led Zeppelin/'69 have his most aggressive bass drum work IMO (see "Good Times Bad Times," "Dazed And Confused," and "I Can't Quit You Baby"). Led Zeppelin II has some of his most interesting hi-hat work IMO (see how he makes straight 4/4 feel like a shuffle just by opening and closing the hat subtly on "Whole Lotta Love" & "Heartbreaker"). Led Zeppelin III has some very tight grooves in "Immigrant Song" and "Out On The Tiles," the latter featuring some excellent syncopation. The '70 shows still feature a lot of aggressive bass drum work and find his kit sounding as nice as it ever did IMO. Led Zeppelin IV finds him tackling some new time signature challenges ("Black Dog," which is easy enough to play, but would have been difficult to come up with the part (he plows ahead in 4/4 underneath the 5/4 riff), and "Four Sticks"). The '71 shows are sort of the last consistent hoorah for the super-aggressive bass drum work (aside from "Achilles Last Stand" later on I guess)--listen to "Black Dog" from 8/21/71 Los Angeles and notice how he never plays the bass drum that aggressively on BD in later years. His kit also sounds great in '71, and I find that his grooves sound very smooth in a kind of mobile, 'rollin' and tumblin''-sort of way--listen to "Heartbreaker" from 8/31/71 Orlando for an example of this. He does a lot of little partial rolls and ghost notes on the snare during the groove. 9/29/71 Osaka also features one the most spectacular "Moby Dick"'s of all time, and his rolling snare is evident on it too! I find '72 a bit more reserved than '71 for Bonham overall, but he's very tight, so you can't complain. Houses Of The Holy is maybe his most reserved album performance, but interestingly enough, a lot of its songs lent themselves to being live showcases for him ("The Song Remains The Same," "Over The Hills And Far Away," and "No Quarter"). It does have his funkiest groove though, in "The Crunge". Along those lines, '73 probably has his funkiest playing (particularly in the Dazed & WLL jams--especially in Europe). Europe '73 is kind of a final resurgence of the uber-aggresive bass drum at times. Overall, I would probably go with Europe '73 as his peak in the sense that it has the best combination of all aspects of his skill set/"game" being clicking at a high level and at the forefront, filtered through the very aggressive/'over-playing' mindset which would resurface in '77, if that makes sense. North America '73 is to Europe '73 what '72 is to '71 as far as Bonham is concerned, to me at least. Physical Graffiti has a lot of variety in his playing (as it does in everything else), but it definitely lays the blueprint for what would eventually be his '77 style with songs like "In My Time Of Dying" & "Sick Again". '75 gets an undeservedly bad rap on many fronts IMO, not the least of which is Bonham's playing. What his playing lacks here in spontaneity more abundant in earlier years, it makes up for with machine-like precision. '75 also features plenty of jaw-dropping individual songs from him (2/12/75 New York's "Heartbreaker" (precise) & his first two fills of the last verse of 2/10/75 Landover's "Heartbreaker" (spontaneous), 3/5/75 Dallas' "Moby Dick"), as well as legendary shows on his part (3/3/75 Ft. Worth). Presence is, in my opinion, his most impressive album performance. Other albums may have more fun or recognizable drum parts, but I would say Presence has the most technically difficult drumming, whether it's time signature stuff ("For Your Life") or pure physical difficulty ("Achilles Last Stand," which I consider to be the most difficult Zeppelin song to drum). Even "Candy Store Rock" has quite a trippy drum part for what is otherwise a fairly straightforward 4/4 song... I think it could be fair to say that '77 was the peak of his technical chops. His 'overplaying' in '77 sounds more calculated and controlled than it does in Europe '73. I think one of the best examples of his technical mastery of the instrument is 6/21/77 Los Angeles' "No Quarter". He completely takes the reigns and plays them like a lead instrument to perfection throughout a long jam meant to be a Jones/Page showcase, really, and contributes musical themes/ideas/riffs to the jam just like any other instrument would. Then, to top it off, he plays one of his most drool-inducing fills, at least for me, after the final "dogs of doom" line, which shows off his speed, precision, dexterity (getting back to the snare from the floor tom that quickly to go around the kit a second and third time) and syncopation (starting the first and second rotations around the kit on the bass in such a tight pocket). Really, his middle-years approach, which I consider to be his technical peak, was established on Physical Graffiti and in the '75 shows, and then elaborated upon on Presence and in the '77 shows. Basically, I would say that his chops continued to improve at least up until/through '77. It's sort of like what someone said in another thread back in the winter regarding the evolution of Page's playing over the years--Bonham's playing post-'73 may not have always been as fun, but it could be considered technically superior. I would say that his hands and his syncopation especially kept improving until their eventual peak in '77. Sure, the wild abandon of songs like "Good Times Bad Times" is great fun, and that is certainly an impressive drum track, but I find the machine-like precision of "In My Time Of Dying" and "Achilles Last Stand" even more impressive--and harder to replicate! You can hear this difference between early- and mid-years in his solos; the earlier ones are usually more spontaneous, which sometimes gives them a more energetic feel, but the '75 & '77 solos are, for the most part, so controlled and calculated (in a good way)...you can really hear him focusing on building tension in each pattern and just constructing it a bit more methodically. This, coupled with the overall increased length of the '75 & '77 solos (insane muscular endurance!), make these solos more difficult, and my favourites, though I would expect non-drummers to prefer earlier "Moby Dick"'s (understandably). In Through The Out Door is Houses Of The Holy's competition for Bonham's most reserved album, and this one stays just less reserved basically on the strength of "Fool In The Rain" alone, which is one of the greatest drum tracks of all time IMO. '79 has its moments that aren't a whole lot different than '77, depending on the song (7/24/79 Copenhagen & 8/4/79 Knebworth especially have great Bonham performances on "Achilles Last Stand"), but I have trouble noticing anything in his playing in '79 that's better than it was in '77. '80 is definitely his most reserved tour, but that certainly isn't to say that he played poorly (most of the time)...
  8. Bonzo_fan

    What's the worst live performance of a song?

    Jimmy gets thrown off because Bonzo throws in the beat from "The Crunge"!
  9. Bonzo_fan

    How The West Was Won Vs The Song Remains The Same OST

    Totally agree. P.S. The bass and toms are the only variable, as he used the same snare (Ludwig LM402) across all of his kit changes.
  10. A great version, indeed!
  11. My favourite public address moment has always been the introduction of the 9/19/70 evening show: "...as you know by now, the heaviest of heavies, they've become the most popular group in the business...THEY'RE HERE, LED ZEPPELIN!!!" Honourable mention to the 'outroduction' of 8/31/71 Orlando: "...uhh...William Combis, your wallet's up here"
  12. 😂 "No" to the OP or the post above yours nominating "Rock And Roll" from TSRTS?
  13. That must mean the full show 🤞
  14. Bonzo_fan

    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    As far as I know, it does/did circulate amongst a very elite group of collectors. I think Nutrocker is probably the guy to ask for more details on that.
  15. Bonzo_fan

    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Wow...please tell us everything you can remember since there's no (widely) circulating tape of it!! P.S. You mean 5/19/77, right?
  16. Bonzo_fan

    Nitpicking Page 1977

    Any reason you didn't mention Heartbreaker in your review?
  17. Bonzo_fan

    Next EV Release

    Either of those would be most welcome. I'd prefer Greensboro '77 since we don't have an AUD of it and it was Bonzo's Birthday Party, Vol. II--given how "over the top" he was playing every night in '77, I'd imagine he was 6/21-level on his birthday!
  18. Bonzo_fan

    Stairway 75-77 Vocals

    Off the top of my head, 3/21/75 & 6/22/77 are good Stairways for Plant from those two years. There are several others, of course...
  19. Bonzo_fan

    1975 US Soundboards "Live Album"

    Yeah, the 23rd is really the only bad LA '77 version of Kashmir--21st, 22nd & 25th are all all-time great versions!
  20. Bonzo_fan

    1975 US Soundboards "Live Album"

    Fair enough. Actually, now that I think of it, 3/3 & 3/5 are very strong contenders for Moby Dick as well...
  21. Bonzo_fan

    1975 US Soundboards "Live Album"

    Will definitely give it a listen! I probably would have used 3/21 again for all of the ones you used 2/28 for, but to each his own. A little surprised you didn't use 3/20 at all, but maybe no individual songs from it stood out enough to you?
  22. Bonzo_fan

    Updated Soundboard Wish List

    As we now know that the next soundboard release will be one of the "Grandaddies Of Them All," March 21, 1975 Seattle, a show which has long been at or near the top of many of our "soundboard wish lists," my question is: what is your updated soundboard wish list? So as to avoid the usual "anything from 1970-72" comments, or the obvious choices of 9/19/70 New York & 6/19/72 Seattle, let's limit it to the period from which most of these "Soundboard Revolution" releases seem to come, namely the 1973, 1975 & 1977 North American Tours. Let's say top 10 to keep it simple, and feel free to provide as detailed (or not) a rationale as you like for your choices. I think it makes it more interesting to avoid shows that already have a high-quality audience recording, but if you want to say 6/21/77, knock yourself out. I'll start: 1. June 22, 1977 - Los Angeles - I firmly believe that this is the best show of 1977. It has all of the energy, virtuosity and dazzle of June 21 & June 23, but tighter and with more focus. On June 21, it is obvious just by listening to it that they are bubbling over with excitement to be back in L.A., and it is possible to be a bit too worked up for a performance--I am in no way saying that 6/21 is a bad show, just second-best of '77 in my opinion. The only real screw-ups on 6/22 (if you can call them that) are Jimmy's broken strings in "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" and "Achilles Last Stand". I may even go so far as to say that Bonham plays even better here than on 6/21 (blasphemous, I know). The highlights: - Tight, powerful, fierce 1-2-3 punch to start things off - Possibly the best-ever "In My Time Of Dying" - Great "Since I've Been Loving You" - Fantastic, and longest-ever (34:08) "No Quarter" - One of the better "Ten Years Gone"'s you will hear - One of my all-time favourite Plantations before "The Battle Of Evermore," where Plant says that Bonham can often be found "face-down on Sunset Boulevard, scrutinizing the concrete sidewalk" - Solid acoustic set, would be nice to enjoy "Going To California" without the guy yelling "fuck all you pigs!" - Nice "White Summer/Black Mountain Side," with the "Swan Song"/"Midnight Moonlight" tease leading into an excellent, powerful "Kashmir" - Fantastic "Over The Top"--best of the L.A. run, and one of the best of '77 (5/22 Ft. Worth wins for sure). I used to say that 6/25 was the best "Over The Top" of the L.A. run because it's the longest, which when it comes to his solos is usually a good indication of how into it he was, but this one is 17 minutes of "raw power" (for those of you who have seen Step Brothers). He has his foot on the accelerator right from the start of the "Out On The Tiles" riff, and keeps it there the whole way through, playing with a level of energy and especially precision which was often lacking in his solos in '77 - One of, if not the best, "Over The Hills And Far Away" - Great, focused "Noise Solo" leading into my favourite "Achilles Last Stand" of all time - Strong candidate for best post-Plant's peak "Stairway To Heaven"--bonus points for actually echoing "laughter" rather than the "does anyone remember laughter?" line, and for Jimmy jumping straight into the solo after the fanfare like on the studio version, as opposed to staying on the twelve-string for an extra bar as was usually done live - Solid, energetic encores 2. June 3, 1973 - Los Angeles - Quite possibly the best show of 1973. Beats out my other choice from '73 (see #5) because of the extra encores and because the existing recording of it is worse (cuts, distortion, speed fluctuations, etc.). 3. June 13, 1977 - New York - Very slightly edges out #4. I've always loved this show, and think it could be a strong contender for best show of 1977 if it were heard in better quality. 4. April 30, 1977 - Pontiac - Another one of the very best shows of 1977, with bonus points for its historical significance of being a world record for paid attendance for a single act at the time (76,229). Has one of the better "Achilles Last Stand"'s as it stays much closer to the studio tempo than was the norm for '77, allowing for a bit more intricacy from Jimmy. The whole band sound very focused this show, especially Jimmy, and everything sounds very deliberate, with slightly slower tempos than usual (not plodding, but studio-like). This could be because of the attendance record, but I have always considered it to be the strongest evidence that the show was being recorded. Also has not the best, but definitely the heaviest "Trampled Under Foot". 5. July 21, 1973 - Providence - My favourite show of 1973, would love to hear it in better quality, and to have "Dazed And Confused," "Moby Dick," (I'm a drummer...don't judge) and "Whole Lotta Love" without the cuts. 6. March 12, 1975 - Long Beach - Quite possibly the second best show of 1975 after the forthcoming 3/21 Seattle show, existing recording is not very good until the end. 7. June 26, 1977 - Los Angeles - Very tight show with an excellent (and the third-longest ever) "No Quarter," one of Jimmy's best "Noise Solo"'s, great "Stairway To Heaven," and an excellent, rare encore of "It'll Be Me," among other highlights. One of the best shows of 1977. 8. April 28, 1977 - Cleveland - Another from the upper-echelon of 1977 shows, which currently exists only in a not-so-great audience recording. 9. January 20, 1975 - Chicago - Would be nice to have a live version of "When The Levee Breaks" in decent quality. 10. April 10, 1977 - Chicago - I hate to admit that I've never actually listened to this one (if I remember correctly, the one time that I started to, I found the sound quality to be insufferably bad), but it was supposedly a very good show. I figured it would be easier to make a separate list for shows of which no recording currently circulates: 1. May 31, 1977 - Greensboro - Bonzo's Birthday Party, Vol. II sounds pretty good to me, and I think in a few of the reviews on the Timeline section of the official site, "Black Dog" is listed as a second encore. 2. January 18, 1975 - Minneapolis - First show of the 1975 tour, and I remember reading somewhere that Plant got the flu after this show, so it's possible that he was actually in as good of voice as he would be in until late-March at this show, which would be awesome to hear on "When The Levee Breaks" and "The Wanton Song". The reviews on the official timeline are also overwhelmingly positive. 3. May 19, 1977 - Baton Rouge - Based on the strength of the shows surrounding it, and the band's affinity for the area as evidenced on previous tours, this was probably a killer show. 4. April 1, 1977 - Dallas - First show of the 1977 tour, live debut of several songs, and I recall reading a review that listed "Black Dog" in the encores, which as many of you know was rare in '77. 5. February 27, 1975 - Houston - I could have went with another of the "Missing Seven" from '77 here, but since I have no idea which I would prefer, I'll go with this one as it featured the debut of the grand piano in "No Quarter".
  23. Bonzo_fan

    Updated Soundboard Wish List

    Agree 100%! His explosion after the usual big fill towards the end of "The Song Remains The Same" just gets me every time 😵
  24. Bonzo_fan

    Nitpicking Page 1973

    Ok, sweet! I don't think it's any worse than Philly '75...
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