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Mithril46

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  1. Black Dog in film TSRTS

    Pretty sure Over the Hills was there as well, but the Ip man is usually right. Dancing Days was played on that tour as well, but seemed to get phased out close to the "Garden Tapes". Still don't get why Page didn't leave the original NQ in; Many consider this a all time live classic, even with some splicing and studio trickery. The thing is, Zep played so many amazing versions of songs on boots with no trickery in 73', does it really matter that Page always stuck his hands in things that basically blew away 95% of other bands out there ? Heartreaker, the original ommission, wasn't legendary but IMO very good to excellent., again the odd ommisson, Page's soloing is pretty far up there.
  2. Presence Success

    Yeah, I've even read/heard that a lot of the album( Well, maybe not TFO) Jimmy had a harsh guitar tone for most of the album. The solos in Achilles and HOFN, you can really hear a boosted midrange and a surely super boosted treble EQ wise. In fact, unless you're talking about the 60''s and earlier recording tech, I've never heard anything in the Zep days that has such creative and obviously artfully applied screeching treble than the ALS solo. I noticed this stuff even before I was a musician. Page hadn't really used these extreme EQ sounds before Presence, and not after. PG and ITTOD of course have their dissonant moments, but nothing like Presence. Some fans may have been turned off by the rather harsh guitar sounds in many of the songs.
  3. Presence Success

    ITTOD sold like crazy in 79', so not so sure punk had pushed the band into a corner.. I think some of Presence Jimmy may have gone over some fans' heads with all the bouncing and dancing guitar parts. I think the album may have appealed more to musicians, as some of the elaborate arrangements were not really comparable to anything else out there.
  4. Presence

    What's interesting about Presence is at least where I live, It was the first Zep album to be discounted. Of course Coda quickly was discounted as well. I think that live because Zep only played Achilles and NFBM, that may have limited it's exposure.
  5. Presence

    Yeah, that opening riff is something in itself. I think the band could have come back to it, or play a variation of it later in the song.. Maybe some don't like TFO because it is mainly a brooding song. SIBLY is slow blues too but there is much more emotional variation in it or moods. TFO is basically I'm stuck here in this situation, I just have to deal with it, nowhere to run or hide.. But that is my view on the music and lyrics, others opinions may differ. Overall great album, at the time Jimmy really was gold standard as far as imaginative guitar wizards go.
  6. I remember hearing the "full length" version of HHWCID on the radio before Coda. The full length version ends with the various stringed instruments all colliding together, and all the sound being cut off entirely, no fade out at all. However, for public release Jimmy probably thought that original ending was too abrupt and chaotic. Also all or a lot of TRB had guitar overdubs , or at least some version had it.
  7. Parents Comments About Zeppelin

    My father hated 85% of rock but did like some songs which were classically influenced, like BIGLY. Believe it or not, but in my area when TSRTS was playing in the midnight movie circuit, In the theaters, the review said that the movie had much onstage lewd behavior and sex gyrations not suitable for teens, even preteens. My area is pretty liberal, this seemed way overboard, ridiculous. My mother didn't like their presentation or music, but saw no reason to ban it or anything. I think that much Blues simply uses different scales in matter foreign to Euro -classical players, and that's one big reason why the two styles may clash considerably.
  8. Ha Ha. I actually know some people whose description totally matches the scenario that lies been described. Who will actually get murderously angry if their lack of job dilemma is mentioned. Oh, Oh,....politics and Zep forum, no good.
  9. Chris Squire Rumours

    What a thread. As some mentioned, Squire himself actually was somewhat of a party animal. In fact I'm pretty sure from what I read and saw online, Chris gained a not small amount of weight from drinking. Plus, no one read the article where Chris talks about XYZ, how he and Jimmy took a lot of drugs at those sessions ?? It is true that Chris never allowed any habits he had to compromise his playing. And Alan White(Yes drummer) said the XYZ project wasn't a lark, it was a real attempt to forming a new band. Some of Jimmy's XYZ solos sound much more energetic and interesting than the Firm. Not to be rude, but this thing with JPJ going to keys, getting another new member to play bass, this must have been something that was overheard by a non-member (Grant too) in a pub or something. Jimmy in particular, he wouldn't ever want every song to have keys. This is in the Hoskins book ? What page ?
  10. Zeppelin's official live recordings

    Jimmy being cheap, absolutely. Jimmy was probably cheap in the studio as well,probably taping over alternative arrangements . For a guitarist like Jimmy who is a guitar orchestrator, ,I found the companions really bare. Anyway the lack of pro official live Zep is unfortunate. However, when Jimmy cleans up the live stuff(mainly HTWWW) despite great performances, Jimmy IMO does so much sonic surgery that the end result is neither fish nor fowl. TSRTS is not too bad, but that's also because for example on that tour, Jimmy at times played solos that were even better than anything in the movie, so for all the awareness of the soundtrack being patched together, again Jimmy played stuff much better than what's in the movie. In that case, it doesn't matter, there was amazing music going on anyway.
  11. Presence

    Yeah, and much of what was commented showed how Jimmy was being expressionalistic and artichectural often in the same song. Jimmy is a sound sculptor, not just a riff machine. There are Zep songs which are almost mathematical in their structure, and songs which have a sort of amoeba like element. Like Achillies is pretty mathematical in its precision, yet there are quite a few parts that have a fluid and bleeding quality as well. So many rock guitarists never get even close to what Page was doing in the 70's and Presence. Jimmy was trying IMHO to evoke music which had such strong moods or layers of symetries which went way beyond just riffs.
  12. What next? AGAIN

    Those are great ideas, but Plant and Page have moved so far apart, just like the companions, Robert didn't do much and just said he trusted Jimmy's instincts. Half true on trusting Jimmy, But I really think Robert didn't really want to be around Jimmy anymore in the first place. No way I could now see some comprehensive career retrospective with sincere good humor and reminiscing with the remaining 3 Zep's. For example I, It's been learned in the last 5-10 years that JPJ actually created a very substantial amount of Zep's material. Not something Jimmy wants to acknowledge. About the computer "fixing" up uneven sound or harsh texture etc., Jimmy actually did do that with HTWWW, and although it is ( the 2 nights) excellent playing and overall performance, Jimmy messed up. Many fans including myself felt that Jimmy went way overboard tweaking whatever he deemed sloppy or a bit compromised audio wise. The problem is that it is extremely obvious where his he's sticking his fingers in, so parts of HTWWW end up sounding like the most bizarre (albeit clear) boot you've ever heard. That's why , great, more official live stuff, someone must put the brakes on Jimmy's constant meddling.
  13. What next? AGAIN

    I understand totally the idea that particularly studio wise there is nothing left. I kid you not, but this was entirely the case believed and stated by band members when CODA came out. Somebody posted that Zep most of the time in the studio wanted to bang out songs quickly and be as spontaneous as possible. Definetly to a certain extent, but Jimmy's guitar orchestrations are something which must be poured over, to see which overdubs work best for a certain part or song. Jimmy does not have JPJ''s arranging or orchestrating skills..Of course Jimmy is likely hearing certain possibilities of layering the guitar parts. But in Jimmy's case, there probably are quite a few times when he has to lay these ideas down on tape, so there has to be at least some songs which have quite different or at least noticeably different guitar parts. Jimmy was the master guitar orchestrator of the 70's. I find it incredible to believe that Jimmy just played over other guitar possibilities, thus erasing what he played before. Or that Jimmy just discarded different versions of songs. Hopefully this can be understood, although it may be a lot of work for Jimmy. And that may be reason why Jimmy might pull his hair out thinking what version of a song should be released. Again, unless you understand that Jimmy had to experiment with different guitar parts , and having to evaluate how it all works out in a song, there has to be more studio stuff.
  14. Presence

    Well I think Jimmy was doing some unusual EQ settings on parts and whole songs. HOFN has so many overdubs and sudden EQ spikes, even today I have not really heard almost any guitarist do that live., to suddenly ramp up the midrange,dip the bass, and at the same time have high notes suddenly go from muted to shrill, and back. There is no pedal for this. NFBM has none of this, or very little, so there isn't much challenge to do the song live. RO certainly could be done, but even this song has sudden EQ shifts so some of the song would have to be adapted for live. Actually, Dancing Days is probably a clearer example of what I mean to say; live certain parts were just not easily replicated, probably why the song was only done in 72'-73'. For Your Love was cool at 07', but even this song Jimmy couldn't mix all the guitars together. Presence is high up there for me as well, at that time no one was doing the guitar orchestra's like Jimmy.
  15. What next? AGAIN

    Well this is a private argument, but there are quite a few Zep tunes which are quite far from what most would call "rock", and rarelygot played even a long time ago. At the same time, "rock" has become a meaningless term. The Doors were a mainly rock group ? Most of Floyd rock ? Even the Stones ?( watch it now, the Stones have a jambalaya stew of styles on most albums, not just "Satisfaction"). But no comment on Plant's comments. But Kashmir takes the cake, it is a bit psychedelic, totally exotic and unique, it is just called rock for easy reference. There are so many brilliant elements colliding in Kashmir, it is unlableable..
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