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Darth Hoek

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  1. Elvis vs. Plant

    Elvis' voice changed less over time for sure while Robert systematically destroyed his voice through abuse (smoking, drinking, performing while sick as hell, not sleeping, ect.), but adapted to the changes by becoming a more versitile singer. Elvis' music is not as damaging to the the pipes as zep; the heavier side of the zeppelin catalogue is destructive as hell to sing at full volume to the human voice over time. Look at the vocal ranges on the albums...singing the songs on anything post pg is much easier; even though the songs are some of their best, the top range sung on them is significantly lower than on the earlier albums at least to my voice and ear. In my opinion the boots I have available support this timeline as far as live performance goes. I watched the black and white Danish TV special from 1968/69 and then listened to a 1980 Brussles show off youtube and the difference in Robert's overall range is quite obviously reduced and often uses the aid of some miserable first gen octave effect on the early tunes to make up the difference. Robert did and has adapted to these changes very well and is still one of the best singers around without a doubt; not being ableto sing something the same way your 20 year old self wrote it 50 years later is not something to be embarrassed about it is just a fact of life. Also, Elvis didn't smoke and took pills rather than drink to excess as his chosen vice, and while still terrible for the body pills do not directly jack up your larynx like Robert's 10 year + assault on his voice box with whatever passed his way did. Singing every night with an infected throat while still puffing it all is going to change your voice for the worse too. Let's say Robert came out of 1973 still with the strong push behind the pipes, but the pipes were a bit dented and jammed up so they didn't quite resonate the same way as before. I feel Robert is and was an great enough musician to recognize the changes in his range and then adapt his singing to them in a style that was even better than before, since Presence is f'n amazing! Sadly, Elvis was a lounge act during his last years and was in residency in vegas as far as I am aware; as such, he wasn't dealing with the same rigors of the road and madness that someone on a Zeppelin tour would have undergone. Imagine how exhausting that sort of endless and raging nomads's lifestyle must have been... Finally, since some of this thread has turned into a bit of a "list your favorite vocalists" I will throw that in as well here for S&G's. I think Elvis is the best rock vocalist who came out of the 50's (although Little Richard could scream better than anyone at the time for sure), Robert Plant is the best who came out of the 60's, and Freddy Mercury (yes, the obviously undeserving Freddy Mercury!) is the greatest who came out of the 70's. Late 80's and 90's goes to Mr. Mike Patton of Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, Fantomas, and countless other band's fame. The guy has soul, is absolutely crazy, and has a six octave range...of course, obviously I am impressed by vocal range; others may be more into a soulful style, gutteral grunting in time to a double kick drum, or a country twang (hopefully not!). Of couse this is all my opinion so there you go...
  2. Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes

    I also was at 10/16/99 in Worcester, Ma. Saw them again the following summer again at the old mansfield great woods (xfinity center now)...both shows were epic and let jimmy showcase all the skills he had regained during the 1998 P & P tour. His talent was such around the year 2000 that when he came out of Black Crowes tour he should have kept going with Chris Cornell, JPJ, and Mike Bordin or something as he was as talented and relevant as he ever would be again, at least until the o2 happened. Or he really could have made a go of it long term with the Crowes as they were certainly the real deal as far heavy blues acts go. As mentioned elsewhere on this post he said his back was the culprit...such a pity! I have the three disc, white vinyl of the Live at the Greek album. I feel that the ten years gone and the trio of sloppy drunk, shapes of things to come, and woke up this morning are the best tracks on the album. Solo from shapes is fantastic...and ten years gone has all the guitar tracks being played out live, so good! One of the funniest memories of this time was the Conan Obrien appearance of Page and the Crowes. They did Your Time is Gonna Come and Wonton Song and then during the interview, the masturbating bear came running out and attacked Jimmy and Chris Robinson. Such a simpler time it was...
  3. Even better...a typo, not just ignorance of the artists names!
  4. The John Lennon error is really funny...it is food for thought to think how a simple misprint on a boot can get a rumor like this going. I am sure most of the bootleggers didn't consider themselves archivers of this knowledge; for them it was certainly a money game. One could have a whole thread on the topic of mislabeled boots as it is pretty interesting.
  5. I wonder how it became attributed to Page with Winwood? Just the incorrect label from a bootleg?
  6. The store I got the boot in question from wasn't in Cambridge, but across the bridge on Newbury street back when it was cool like Cambridge still tries to be tower records was on one end of Newbury and boston common is on the other...There were a lot of great shops in Cambridge back then as well and I bought some troublesome sampling rate bootleg cdr's there as well a few years later that wouldn't function in my first gen cd player. This specific copy with the spanish guitar and keys likely falsely attributed to Winwood was on was on a cassette tape and this was in 1991, as I said it is long gone now. These boots were expensive ($18-$25), were labeled miserablely, and were at least 10th generation recordings and it sounded like it, but pre-you tube and 2004 DVD we thought they were the best thing. They would be in an easily moveable/hideable box on the counter called "imports" but everyone knew what was in there. The shops knew that the rocker kids who had gotten a sweet taste of the rare and unfiltered live zep would come back to get their fix no matter the price of the crappy recordings so they churned them out by the hundreds. In Boston 90% of the old shops are long gone and are now miserable clothing botiques, circle-jerk art galleries, and spas that change hands every year or so and mostly serve the obliviously rich tourists types staying in the air b+b's that have taken over downtown boston and sent rents and prices into the stratosphere (it is plain to see that I am not bitter at all!)...there are only newbury comics and Armageddon in Cambridge left now. Does anyone remember hearing that the keys on this were attributed to WInwood? Now I am curious again about this and I can't find anything conclusive on the internet (big surprise!).
  7. My CD version of this is in fine shape from the early 2000's. I have no reason whatsoever to spend $100 USD on the same thing but on vinyl. If it had more tunes than on the original it would be different story, but I likely would buy the CD. Others have said this here before, but this release certainly is a matter of Page just wanting to get the whole catalogue on vinyl and the house in order before he releases the new stuff. This release actually seems rushed to me given the pace of all the other promotional stuff over the past few years. Honestly, to me modern live shows which have been heavily digitally edited on vinyl vs. digital/cd are not as profoundly different or benefit from the format to my ear as a studio recording on vinyl vs. digital/cd does. I am sure that this idea has been discussed here before, but for modern versions of live shows I am usually happy with a cd or download.
  8. Outstanding Page performances after 1980

    The Japan version of Tea for One is excellent...how about this ten years gone from a P&P soundcheck on the same tour? Or how about For Your Life from the O2? Not super complicated but a viscious song none the less-and look at that damn gibson black beauty with the three humbuckers and a bigsby! That alone is fantastic to see. I posted on this thread before, but there are so many of these gems out there. It seems that these excellent post-1980 Page moments may be more of the norm than commonly thought.
  9. I am surely wrong but I remember hearing this years ago on a boot cassette I had bought in a now closed underground record store on the old Newbury Street (pre-gentrification) in Boston back in the early 90's on a day we all skipped school and took the "t" in. The tapes liner notes said that the keys were steve winwood with page on spanish guitar...it featured several takes of the spanish guitar and keys thing with a bit of studio banter along with some other outtakes as in the featured video above; also the friends/four sticks from P &P's trip to india. I remember thinking how fantastic that would have been if Page and WInwood worked together. Then I saw the RAH ARMS benefit concert with winwood and page and thought they were very different talents. But in 1969-1970? Anyways, The liner notes may have been wrong as it sounds like JPJ to me as well...but just thought it was interesting to point it out.

    As others have speculated this may be the chronological live set Jimmy has pretty consistently mentioned in interviews in the past. Could this (text highlighted below in bold) be a subtle hint from today's jimmypage.com post? I know nothing about this show although I am about to check youtube for it now... "On this day in 1973, I played the Old Refectory at Southampton University. It gave us an opportunity to play some of the newly recorded material live that was to be eventually released on Houses of the Holy. The audience celebrated our show with much enthusiasm and beer from the Refectory bar. This evening was recorded."

    Weren't they all working on some new zep book as well? Maybe they met up for that and caught the BCC show...I need to check if it is going to be a genesis publication like the Page book, as I think they are out of England. If they truely were in the studio to finish up some 40 year old songs, then they really need to finish Fire (say your gonna leave me) as that would actually get some good airtime on the rock stations (as I have said before I am sure). I feel earlier attempts at gaining radio play with rediscovered unreleased tracks al la' sunshine woman, boogie mama, or baby come on home (which were not as "modern" sounding) didn't get the airplay they deserved...a finished version of Fire would get crazy airplay on rock stations around Boston! Then the new Zeppelin 50th anniversary "product" would sell well for sure... I am sure this is a big flurry of nothing like the last snow forecast....
  12. JimmyPage.com has changed it up this year!

    I figured as much...I had a lot more time off this January than usual with the bad weather. Anyways it was new info to me!
  13. Jimmy page.com has been a bit more exciting in my opinion as I have noticed over the past few days. To start, yesterday I saw jimmy's site posted about the rock and roll hof induction of Led Zeppelin. The text was a bit snarky referencing tensions and egos as I remember, but I paraphrase...look it up I suppose somewhere if it pleases you... Now today the we get an answer to what Jimmy may have done, had the Peace Concert happened in Bejing. Quoted directly from Jimmypage.com, "There had been a move to do a Peace Concert, hosted by the Chinese Government, at the Bird's Nest Stadium in Beijing and I had been invited to appear. There had been a full-size classical orchestra offered and I saw a possibility of doing an instrumental set including Chengdu percussion and the orchestra. It could have been an interesting blend. There had been a meeting with some officials where it was said that they would need to see the artists' lyrics up front and I thought that was fair enough, but a Peace Concert in Beijing could have had its moments of mischief. It was fascinating to see how it might proceed; in fact, after a postponement from 17/04/10 to 11/11/11, it ran out of steam. At the press conference at the Beijing Ritz I was given an award called 'Pathways To Peace' - it was the first time the award was given from the United Nations." I remember being excited for this event and being wicked bummed out when it fell through. I wonder what Jimmy would have played over those drums. The cacgce tuning all strummed out? Some wierd baritone-danelectro-looking-but-not-double-neck? It is nice to finally have some new content on .com...unless I just missed this last year...which is entirely possible!
  14. Talked to Audrey Hamilton today......

    When I think of Zeppelin I think of a super talented band which happens to get far too crazy when they are on the road but at the end of the day basically created the rock genre. When I think of Kiss I think of Pabst Blue Ribbon, carnies on blow, derivative lyrics, and bad choices...pretty much says it all! When I think of Ace Frehley...I probably should stop here I am getting a bit too mean to the kiss fan out there!
  15. Page’s amp

    Yah, JPJ's amp not Jimmy's...although it seems we must take the vendors word on this Ric bassamp's provenance since he only has a grainy photo for evidence, and the amp itself has no markings linking it to Zep or JPJ at all. Not to be mean but damn; I bet the thing sounds like a P.O.S too....$25,000....give me a break; for that much I want something concrete to prove to me what is being sold is the real deal (and it to have been Jimmy's). Now, I have a vintage vox wah pedal over there...hmm...I could say it was Pete Townsend's and ask $25,000 too. What a great idea! I also have a bridge available for sale...
  16. What next? AGAIN

    A Tribute to Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. Run it through the eq software, clean it up and put it out on vinyl; I will throw the money at it as needed. I feel Page's reluctance to clean up these awesome bootlegs and the few studio outtakes that were stolen from his house in the 80's or whatever really diminished the quality and variety of stuff on the most recent remasters bonus discs. He was quoted saying he didn't want to release stuff that was readily available on bootlegs, which is kind of silly if you think about it given how few people actually do collect bootlegs today. I remember, as I am sure everyone here has heard many times themselves, a great sounding boot I had of Fire (say your gonna leave me)--I wish they had gotten together and finished this track for the Coda set. Could have either played a bit in the studio for it as the Beatles did w/o John several years back, or just used what they had to mix a finished version. Not that Coda needed it; surely it was the best of the most recent release's bonus content by far. PG was the biggest disappointment for me for bonus content; but sound quality was aces across the board (except for the Paris show off of LZ1).
  17. Outstanding Page performances after 1980

    I saw P & P at Great Woods in Massachusetts in 98' and they were amazing, so I guess this is my outstanding performance for Page post 1980. Page did the version of BIGLY with the solo as shown in the earlier post here and it was even more powerful to see it live. They also did a "real" version (not the rather miserable acoustic thing from No Quarter 1994) of No Quarter (or as real as it could be given the not-JPJ-and-Bonzo rhythm section) where Page's playing was just as fluid, jazzy, and technical as the version of No Quarter from the TSRTS film. ( Part 1 of 2-P & P Mansfield Ma. ) (No Quarter starts ~25 min). Page seemed like he was really in his element and was playing like was 1973 again. He has presented this way during other events where he is well practiced and not too F'd up to keep it on track; such as the O2, Roy Harper's Birthday event ( Page With Roy Harper "Same Old Rock", ) and the with the Black Crows. One other event that always stood out to me was the Montreux Jazz Festival 2001 where they did Elvis tunes and a cover of candy store rock ( BLPH 2001 P & P. ) Too bad they stopped playing together right after-I really felt the 50's stuff would have helped to them get back on track since it was their common interest back in the day. There of course have been other moments besides these and hopefully there will be even more!
  18. Does anyone else think the guitar is in the tuning CACGCE as Friends, Poor Tom, and Bron y aur are? It sounds like it to me; would be interesting if it is given Jimmy's love for this tuning. I really hope this is not the best this new album has to offer. Robert should stop writing songs that sound like they belong on the soundtrack for a cattle drive montage in a Western or some outdoor show and get back to his heavy blues roots in my opinion. I saw him at Telluride in 2012 with the Space Shifters (best act that week was B. Fleck and V. Wooten). Plant and his band put on a great show, but the heavy reliance on reworked Zeppelin tunes and the country-ass-ye-haw vibe did not do justice to this great singer's legacy and neither does this short sample of his new work.
  19. I have heard a A Foggy Day in Vietnam before, that would be a great release. Is Page involved in those sessions? I wouldn't mind a reissue of the Scream for Help soundtrack too for that matter.
  20. I ordered one from Amazon, as it was not available here in the U.S. for RSD as far as I know (and I can't handle the war between real collectors and online sellers that occurs at the only record store in my area) . Came shipped from Amazon for $14.99 in a MASSIVE box with lots of air pillows on top with the record on the bottom of the box; allowing the 45 to slide all over the place in transit and demolishing the fontana sleeve while leaving the record untouched looking. Typical for Amazon in my experience, but they also refunded my money when i bitched, so now I just need to order a new one for the collection. The record itself sounds great through my old Bose 901's through the carver head unit. The fuzz sound on this is particularly great sounding to me right now. I have wanted this for years on a 45 but could never find one.
  21. The Next Jimmy Page Studio Album

    Hello, long time lurker who finally signed up here. I hope this thread might be the right place to add this...I saw that jimmypage.com posted about Jimmy's first time seeing Scarlet Sabet at the World's end Book Shop during her first poetry reading or something to that effect. This is the first time this post was put up on JP.com as far as I remember and it sure seems like a promo for the provided link to Scarlet's site. Here she has video links, a small store, promos for events and info to let people familiarize themselves with her work. I suspect this may be a rather calculated move, since the lovely and talented Scarlet Sabet could very easily be Jimmy's new muse. And if JP's new solo work has her singing, or at the very least writing the lyrics, this posting might be intended to start the publicity drip feed, so the fans are more prepared to take SS into the fold if this happens. As I am sure we all remember, the salivating and desperate media liked to portray JP as a lecherous old man, and SS as a girl of questionable morals or even an unwitting victim of Page in those idiotic stories that accompanied the paparazzi images of them in public. Myself, I really hope they are working together, be it on an acoustic project or something "heavier." I think that the JP and SS are well paired, and Jimmy's new work might head in the direction of the fantastic Burrows/Cobain work on "The Priest They Called Him " or something to that effect. As posted elsewhere, Jimmy has done this sort of thing pre-zep; it might just work with his magic touch. Of course I am really just shooting in the dark, but honestly I just have a feeling about this since Jimmy has certainly noticed that bringing a lady in worked out quite well for Robert Plant.