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  1. Year 2000 plus era Iron Maiden. I am not British (I'm Australian) but these guys are currently considered to be the closest thing to rock Gods as far as humanly possible in their homeland. Yes, no? Been going since the late 70's, had their rise, fall, and resurrection. Not a bad effort really considering the expected lifetime of any band. The blokes are thought to be 'diamond geezers' which translates to ... I don't know an equivalent world wide translation - Just damn likeable? - but it is certainly a compliment. I have a problem. I get hooked on a band, listen non stop for six months, get sick of it, go to the next band, and return two years later. My listening roster is, in no order, Zeppelin, Maiden, 80's Metallica, 70's Kiss, Foo Fighters, Deep Purple, Motley Crue (yes, I really do, so what? Tommy Lee is an underrated rock funkster), and various orchestra classical. Yeah I'm getting old but aren't we all. You are now several minutes older since reading this thread. Time can't be stopped but good music is timeless.
  2. Well done LpMan. I work in the printing business. When I am on my death bed with one hour left, what do you think I will care about? It will certainly not be if somebody had their business card printed and delivered a day late. I will care about if I was a good enough father, that I had people that appreciated me for being me, and myself in return, and that I did the best I could and no more than that. Anything else is insignificant. My life is about having 24 hours a day to fill, and doing what I consider worthwhile to fill those hours. I may request a suitable Zeppelin song to be played on my last farewell. What song... mmmm (thinking), maybe Achilles would be suitable?
  3. Very unfortunate about Chris. Early reports indicate it was due to clinical depression, something which many artists' suffer through. Depression / bi-polar is a very real medical condition which many outside people seem to ignore or not believe in until it is too late. It matters little if you live in a mansion or on the street. Everyone has troubles in life, and having money and being popular is not the long term answer. Feelings of self worth become amplified, as does self doubt. You try to please everyone else and end up ignoring your own needs. I have lived with it my whole life and it is mental torture. Why would I tell the world something personal like this? Because society needs to wake up and accept that people are not designed to work 70-hour-weeks, to be stressed out daily, to have everything be perfect, to hide their emotions because it is considered weak, and on and on. I am male and have no concerns about admitting any of this. How many people have to die to realize that life should be enjoyable and not a constantly hard uphill battle. When you need help, ask for it, and if someone asks for help, just listen to them even if you are unable to do any more than just be there for five minutes. Five minutes for a lifetime is not much to ask.
  4. Whether this is relevant ... I consider a musician worth listening to on not how many notes they can play, but the notes they choose to play. Simple enough really considering most audiences' know nothing at all about music except what is pleasant to their ears.
  5. I wouldn't say they changed it. They were doing more or less the same thing as most 70's rock bands, except a hell of a lot better. Music changed dramatically after they were gone - rap etc. Music today is worlds away from Zeppelin, to the detriment of it in my opinion. If anything, they showed us what not to do with a good band - how to ruin it. Of course no one learns and good bands still self-destruct today.
  6. A couple of things I have read here and there (no sources as I don't takes notes of everything I read on the off chance I may have to quote it.) Robert has stated that he and Jimmy were musical collaborators, and never personal friends outside of the band, as they had nothing in common. True or not, I don't know. When you're in the middle of something you just see what you can see. When you have a later outside perspective you can be more rational and unemotional. Maybe a bit of the 'old girlfriend / boyfriend' syndrome. It has it's appeal to return to, but you're still going back to the same problems. Jason has copped a lot of flack. His response was that his father was his teacher, so naturally a student will have traits of that teacher, and still his own way of playing. If he mirrored his dad he was just a copy, if he played differently he was criticized for not playing like his father. He couldn't win either way. Poor bastard was never accepted for being himself. That kind of pressure can stop you sleeping at night. A great drummer, just a different type of drummer.
  7. Really? He was a free spirit on a journey every night - a recreational journey in his mind. Why do you think he was getting stoned every night? Called a trip for a reason. Sounds pretty acceptable to me. What I don't like is that there are not enough studio albums. I get kinda bored listening to the same ones over.
  8. I think Hendrix's death was anything but accidental. And I did not mean he did himself in. "Apparently" his lungs had a litre of red wine in them, therefore he unofficially drowned. It is pretty much impossible to breathe in that much liquid without coughing it back up. At the worst you would suffocate by not being able to breathe. Clapton's reaction was that he was immediately pissed off at losing a talent as such, then thinking of himself as a selfish bastard for thinking as he did. Sorry I was not clear. It is a fairly common selfish reaction when you lose a loved one, that you immediately think of what you yourself have lost, and not of the deceased person having lost any possible future. People are not always as selfless as society would have us try to believe. I don't see that a a deliberate fault, but a natural involuntary human reaction. Then you would of course forget about yourself and think oh no, he could have had such a great life, and his family... About the worst thing ever for anyone to experience.
  9. This reminds me of Eric Clapton's thoughts when Hendrix died. His first reaction was "You c___. ". As in, how could you do that, you selfish bastard? Obviously when someone dies it is shattering, but for a band, there is always that small, just for a moment, thought when it comes up: So and so has fucked it up for the rest of us. What do we do now. And of course the shame of even thinking that is so disgusting to one's self, but I would think it crossed their minds for about half a second. And only half a second. Musicians are by nature somewhat self absorbed people. It would be an awfully conflicting time. Most people would not like to acknowledge or admit that about themselves, but it happens.
  10. You know the bullshit thing about the music biz? Everyone loves a twenty year old rock star to worship, but by the time you actually know what you're doing and can really play, and write (you'd be about 40 by then) nobody wants to know you 'cause your a has been. I don't approve of that, but it probably sums up why you get so many great musicians wasting away their peak years living in some seedy motel while the maid cleans the room, and tries not to knock over the rarely used guitar sitting in the corner, and tries not to vacuum up the pawn broker receipts carelessly tossed around. You either understand that or you don't, and it is of course just a stereo type joke.
  11. Poorly educated Punk rockers was perhaps a general statement. Yes, many were well educated but they liked to give the impression they were uneducated and stifled by the constraints of middle upper class, to appeal to those that actually were. Punk was about giving the finger to establishment, and you couldn't get away with that if you were born from/into the establishment. That is my understanding of English punk anyway. Apparently England in the late 70's was the wrong time to be bragging about being rich and educated - Thatcher recession? American punk was just about having a good time, English punk was to prove a point (more or less), and that having a chip on your shoulder was a valid excuse for being a teenager. Punk was also about that you didn't have to be an indulgent musical virtuoso (Page, Blackmore) to be in a band. The stated rock bands were just 'general examples': the point being that to progress into the eighties you had to somewhat alter your sound and image, which those bands that were successful did just that. Compare the Stones, Queen, Pink Floyd etc, their early work to their later work and it is obvious they grew and adapted to the times.
  12. Hypothetically if everything was well within Led Zeppelin, you would have to ask where would they go musically into the 1980's? The 1970's had become an embarrassment: the music, fashions, lifestyles, shag pile carpets etc. Everything was about being new: new music styles, computer technology so on. The 70's were fantastic but things move on or get left behind. There was the New Wave of British Metal like Iron Maiden, New Wave pop bands like Human League, poorly educated Punk rockers. If you were past 30 years old it was over. Many successful rock bands of the 70's did not know how to fit in. Kiss were struggling, Aerosmith, Deep Purple and the Stones likewise. The great irony is that many older bands had improved playing and songwriting wise, with no body in the general public interested.
  13. As far as recording songs, this is usually more difficult than writing the songs. A band does not just walk into a studio, set up, hit record and play the song through once or twice. A band may play from five up to forty takes of a song. The usual run down is to record the drums, and maybe bass at the same time, while the guitar and vocals just play as a place keeper so everybody knows where they are in the song. Sometimes the guitars are kept, sometimes not. I have a bootleg of the studio recordings of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You. There are at least 15 takes. I think about take 12 was used for the final version. Bonham's playing was pretty appalling on some of the takes, all over the place, speeding up and slowing down. Maybe he was having a bad day but it took him 10 run through's to settle into the song. And after all that playing, Page would then do his own overdubs. So you can imagine the amount of playing Page did on each recording. Some bands like to record mostly live, others like to do bit by bit. I would think Zeppelin liked to get the whole song down as complete as possible. From these multiple takes, recorded on physical tape, the best parts are literally cut out of the tape then stuck/spliced together using adhesive tape to form a final continuous take. This final continuous take could have anywhere from three to twenty different pieces of tape stuck together (the tighter the band/drummer, the less pieces of tape.) This would then be duplicated onto a new reel of tape, and all the guitars, vocals etc would be overdubbed onto. Of course, this was the 1970's when a good performance was necessary. Modern recordings on computer are completely different, where a good performance is an afterthought: you could record a spicy dinner violently leaving your body and make it sound good. It is almost unheard of for a band to record the entire song with all instruments at the same time, in one take without mistakes, and keep all those parts for the final mix. Then again, some days everyone is just on, and it happens very quickly.
  14. Celebration Day. It has so much going on within that song, all the different guitar parts, and the bass line. Maybe that's why they played such a simpler version live. Then again when someone writes a song they don't have too much trouble, or they wouldn't / couldn't have written it.
  15. That's a bit naive to say that. A band member's musical parts don't have to be technically impressive to be important to a song. But I know what you meant, I think. Agree that often it the musicians' personalities that make the band as a whole. That is the irreplaceable part. And I can't stand U2, so I don't have any interest in defending them, just making a point about bands that last longer than a couple of years.
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