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  1. Presence Success

    The album always seemed cold to me. Cold and grey in an artistic sense. I don't know if it was the music, mix, or album art. Maybe a combination of all. I try to imagine the album having "brighter" art like HOTH or III just to see if it makes the nature of the album more appealing. Then I kind of realize the album art was actually pretty genius, as I'm sure they thought it was. Instead of some over-glorified mularkey it was an almost sarcastic display of something mundane, cutouts from an old magazine. It was kind of punk for a dinosaur band. The lack of light and shade undoubtedly hurt the appeal of the album. Zep's albums had always been a plethora of sound and style. No matter what mood you were in, they had something that would fit. Their songs changed like the seasons. Presence was straight forward garage band rock. Bass, drum, guitar, vocals. I wonder how betrayed Jones felt having no keyboards allowed on the album? Maybe Page was trying to prove something to people saying they were hippy dinosaurs? Maybe we should just accept that this is the best they could do at the time.
  2. Black Dog in film TSRTS

    Remember when VH1 played the movie in the late 90s? That was my first time seeing it. I think I kept my finger on the "record" button on the VCR so I wouldn't miss a second.
  3. Pontiac 1977 - New Photos

    I don't think I've ever seen Jones playing that Ovation 12 string before.

    Damn, was embroidering technology that bad in the seventies?
  5. Presence

    In my head I keep wanting that riff to come back in as the chorus or something. That would've been an awesome groove for Page and Bonzo.
  6. Parents Comments About Zeppelin

    My dad knew I was a huge Zep fan since I was ten, but never really acknowledged anything. About three years ago we were riding together somewhere and WLL came on the radio and he said "Hey, I remember that one. Who is that?" I answered Led Zeppelin with a grin on my face. I think he always thought they were just a heavy metal band like Judas Priest or something.
  7. Plant's vocals on I'm Gonna Crawl

    I prefer this greatly over Tea For One.
  8. Song Remains the Same DVD - Std. vs. Blu-Ray

    So I'm confused on this. After holding on to the VHS for ages, I want to get TSRTS on disc and I want the best I can get. When searching for the two disc special edition (which I imagine has the most material) all I see come up is the DVD, not blu ray. Does the blu ray also include the extra material? Is one preferred over the other?
  9. It Makes Me Wonder

    Probably shooting out my ass here, but after 73 the band seemed to make a set list based on the songs that allowed for improvisation and exploration. Songs that had a straight forward, repeating riff disappeared from the live set. Maybe they were afraid of boring people? Personally, I think an extended guitar solo on every song gets old. Wish they had done more basic tracks live.
  10. Presence

    I think the vocals were too soft on Candy Store Rock. I like to imagine Plant still having his high range for this. I think that would've made it way more interesting. HOFN is the third best track on the album to me. Very catchy and upbeat. Tea For One is tied with Carouseumbrella for least listened to song.
  11. Ten "desert island" Zeppelin shows

    I could certainly live with your list. I think I'd swap out Stoke for Southampton.
  12. Unpopular opinions re live shows

    I don't care how awesome they were on 6/21/77, I don't like the show because of the crowd noise. It's just overbearing to me. The theremin was a bad idea. The drum solo should've been dropped after 73. The 77 guitar solos (after Moby dick) were overkill.
  13. travelling riverside blues

    To me, this is the most mysterious Zep track. Also one of my favorites. What was the intention of the song? Did they only put it together for the radio show? Is there any back story whatsoever of the song outside of the radio show? Was it meant for an album and then canned at the last minute?
  14. I kinda feel the same. The Knebworth shows have a certain charm, even though the cork-sniffers wanna pick them apart. I think Plant sounds better than at EC 75. Page is only slightly worse. Bonham is more energetic at knebworth. Seattle 77 is a dud in my opinion. Plant was horrible and Page was as bad as Knebworth. Bonham was on fire for that show though.
  15. Zep Artifacts Locations?

    I can't find anything about pics of the print used for IV. If you know of anything I'd love to see something about it's post album existence.
  16. I often wonder where all the old stage clothes are now. Are any of them in rock museums? Hall Of Fame? Did they drop them off at a Goodwill store when the tour was over? I think I saw Page's plaid trousers there once. What about the original picture for the fourth album that Page found in the antique shop? Seems like that would be a pretty legendary item, yet I've never seen an actual pic of it. What about studio and stage equipment? The speaker cabinets painted with ZOSO? The equipment that Page had in his home studio? He must have auctioned that stuff off to someone once it became obsolete. Is there a website or thread that has stuff like this on it?
  17. I was going through the EC stuff and just happened to notice Bonzo here. It's almost as bad as San Diego 77. I'm preety sure they almost come to a complete stop a couple times.
  18. Top Five Boots From Each Year 69-77

    I know there's probably a lot of bootleg lists already, but I thought I'd throw my two cents on the table. I picked out what I thought were five essential boots from each touring year between 1969 and 1977, judging by sound quality versus performance and omitting anything that has been officially released (BBC Sessions, etc.). Input and comments about other shows are welcome. 1969 Jan. 5- West Hollywood, CA (Live at Whiskey A Go Go). Sound quality alone makes this a treasure. April 24- San Francisco (The Dancing Avocado). Amazing sound and playing. Jones is up front and showing off. April 27- San Francisco (Fillmore West). June 27- London (Playhouse Theater). Radio show featuring an interview. Great sound and performance. Aug. 31- Dallas, TX (International Pop Festival). Great sound. Some of their best playing from the entire year. 1970 Jan. 9- London (Royal Albert Hall). One of the top three on just about any list. Amazing sound and performance. March 7- Montreux (Casino De Montreux). Explosive show with excellent sound. March 21- Vancouver (Pure Blues/Mudslide). Decent sound with monumental performances of several songs. April 8- Raleigh, NC. Good sound with one of the best White Summer/Black Mountainside performances. Sept. 4- Inglewood, CA (Live On Blueberry Hill). Good sound with a rare Bron Y Aur performance. Very long set list. 1971 Aug 31- Orlando, FL (Orlando Magic/Florida Sunshine). Patched soundboard with thunderous drums. Sept. 4- Toronto (Maple Leaf Gardens). Patched soundboard with the best Celebration Day performance. Sept. 9- Hampton, VA. Sept. 14- Berkeley, CA (Going To California/Berkeley Daze). Sept. 29- Osaka, Japan (Festival Hall) 1972 Feb. 25- Auckland, NZ. Energetic show with decent sound. Feb. 27- Sydney, Australia (Sydney Showgrounds). June 22- San Bernadino, CA (Swing Auditorium). Oct. 2- Budokan, Japan. Oct. 9- Osaka, Japan (Festival Hall). 1973 Jan. 22- Southampton University (Any Port In A Storm). Multitracked! March 16- Vienna, Austria (Happiness Is A Warm Gun). Hands down the best playing by Page. March 23- Offenburg, Germany (It's Not Warm, It's Hot). May 13- Mobile, Alabama (Alabama Getaway). May 19- Ft. Worth, TX (Tympani For The Butter Queen). Excellent soundboard. 1975 Feb. 6- Montreal (1975 World Tour). Page playing like his old self. Feb. 12 Madison Square Garden, NY (Flying Circus/Four Blocks In The Snow) March 3- Ft. Worth (Rock Super Stars). Bonham breaks loose on this one. March 21- Seattle (Deus Ex Machina). Probably the most impressive show of the tour. May 25- Earls Court (Demand Unprecedented In The History Of Rock). Great soundboard and long set list. 1977 April 27- Cleveland, OH (Destroyer). Very balanced soundboard, good performance. May 21- Houston, TX (The Dragon Snake). Great balanced soundboard, though Page is slacking a little. June 21- Los Angeles Forum, California (Listen To This Eddie). Monumental live performance. June 25- Los Angeles Forum, California (Badgeholder's Annual Meeting). June 27- Los Angeles Forum, California (Mike The Mike). Rare acoustic Dancing Days. Edit: I'd like to change the June 27, 1977 show to June 23rd, 1977. Much better playing from Jimmy.
  19. Bootlegs

    I was making a point for the principal of the matter, not for the actual consequence. But I certainly won't argue that bootlegging hurts a band financially. I actually said the opposite. I think losing creative control is probably the biggest reason bands and managers were vehement against boots. We all know Page won't release anything official that has a mistake in it, at least not without heavy editing.
  20. '75 soundboards vs '77

    One thing I've noticed about the 77 boards is the frequent overloading of certain lines, usually Plant's vocals. The 75 boards seem to have more balanced instruments, though the quality varies. I'd really to get my hands on a book that details the circumstances of how all the soundboards were recorded.
  21. Bootlegs

    I actually live in a bubble and have never left my house. Now aside from taking a piss, you know why sports venues block local games from being aired on TV? Because they want to force people to buy tickets to the game and spend a crap load of money on concessions. "Logic" tells me concert venues would want the same thing. And my point about smartphones is that catching someone taping a show has now become moot considering half the audience is recording with their phones. Sorry I didn't clarify that better.
  22. Bootlegs

    It should also be noted that a live show probably isn't 100% the bands property. The venue/promoter also has some rights to what gets played in their venues. They are the real victims of bootlegging anyway, since there was no reason to go hear a live show if you can just buy it later. But that issue kind of disappeared with smartphones.
  23. Bootlegs

    Peter Grant definitely didn't look the other way. There are several reports, by record shop owners themselves, of him making routine visits to shops and confiscating any bootleg material. It may seem strange that Zep were the most bootlegged band if they were so strict about it, but that's because sometimes there were several tapers at shows and not all of them got caught. As for how bootleg labels stay in business without being sued into the ground, I have no clue. Maybe it's because in reality, though the labels make a little money, the bands aren't actually losing any. It's an unofficial product that isn't taking away sales from another product. Also consider that nowadays bootlegs are mostly distributed in the back pages of the internet, and once a label puts out a show it gets spread around pretty fast. So maybe the amount of time and resources it would take to shut down bootlegs (which really aren't popular among the average listeners anyway) doesn't pay off in the end. Again, someone making a small amount of money off you is different than someone preventing you from making money, and bootlegs don't really do that. But what I really don't understand is why a band/label doesn't just confiscate any bootleg, put it through professional remastering, and release it themselves.
  24. '75 soundboards vs '77

    You realize you're comparing a dry soundboard source to an audience recording?
  25. '75 soundboards vs '77

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the majority of the 75 soundboard releases due to a Showco employee running a separate line out to another source? Seems like I remember reading that.