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    Underrated/overrated shows

    Haven't seen this discussion for a while and thought it would be interesting to get it going again. Underrated: 1) LA Forum 22/06/1977. Several people have mentioned this one as potentially the greatest shows of the 77 tour, and I have to agree with them. The band is just ON here, if anything even more so than the previous night. The main drawback is the sound quality, but it says a lot that in spite of that I keep coming back to this perfomance all the time. Best version of IMTOD ever. One of the two or three best versions of Kashmir ever. Phenomenal energy all the way through and if Millard had been there this show would be in the top 10 of most people's lists. 2) San Francisco 26/04/1969. Most people go to the 24th, which has great sound quality, or the 27th, which seems to be a favourite show of the early days to listen to. Both of those are great performances, but the 26th has the edge on the other nights around it - the band is white hot on here. Again, it's a case of a sub-par recording putting people off somewhat, but with a bit of effort this is a rewarding listen. 3) Knebworth 04/08/1979. I get the feeling a lot of people tend to be too disparaging of this show, either thinking it's a slightly uneven performance, or that the Copenhagen shows massively overshadow it. I honestly don't really get either claim, I think the band are absolutely firing on all cylinders. They do sound a little tense here and there through nerves, but I think this is regarded as one of Zeppelin's classic shows for a reason. Best version of Achilles Last Stand ever - top two or three at least - and also the best versions of ITE and WLL around, plus another superb version of Kashmir. I appreciate that the performances are just as good on Copenhagen, but the better sound quality of Knebworth gives it an edge. I do agree that the following week's show wasn't as good though. 4) Vancouver 19/03/1975. Best show of the 1975 tour. Possibly the best SB recording ever, more bass than usual. Spectacular version of NQ too. 5) Several 1971 shows - take your pick. I could choose Hiroshima (the overlooked show of the Japan tour), or the first night at Berkeley (almost as good as the following evening). The UK winter tour stands out though, with several really nice performances ranging from the relaxed (Newcastle) to the wild and passionate (Manchester), though one has to get past the sound quality on a lot of the recordings. I think generally the live standard of the band in 1971 was so high that nearly every show seems to qualify as either very good or brilliant. Overrated: LA Forum 1975. All three of these shows are fine, but I can't really get into them - the band sound quite tired and worn out, and seem to lack the energy and inspiration of the previous week.
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    Are there any songs that you feel just don't work when played live?

    HotH songs either work great live or don't... The Rain Song is magnificent live, but I would have preferred it if OTHAFA had been dropped after 1975.
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    Underrated/overrated shows

    Think I might as well include the Nassau shows from 1972 which are PHENOMENAL, TBH they blow the HTWWW shows away. Cleveland 28/04/77 is an almighty performance too.
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    Are there any songs that you feel just don't work when played live?

    Rock and Roll post 1973 - mostly due to Plant's voice, plus it became a bit tired as a setlist encore. OTHAFA to me always sounded a bit 'scratchy' live, as does TSRTS. The studio versions aren't as heavy, but sound fuller and lusher. Dazed and Confused post 1973 should have been dropped from the set. The 1975 versions are just too unwieldy.
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    Jimmy Page confirms 2018 release(s)

    I thought the consensus was that the Japan shows were multitracked somewhat basically, but Page or the band listened to the tapes and decided they weren't of quality to release. At least that's what I recall.
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    Jimmy Page confirms 2018 release(s)

    You'd be surprised about what bands don't do sometimes. It boggles me slightly that Black Sabbath didn't do more extensive recording of their live shows - they just did bits in 73 and 75 I think - but it seemingly wasn't a huge priority for them. Equally, I've always been surprised that Floyd never put out a big live album in the 70s. They recorded their 1974 Wembley show and released that as bonus material on the DSOTM and WYWH releases eventually, but I don't think they professionally recorded the 75-77 era. Sometimes the circumstances surrounding the band can contribute. Sabbath were dealing with an ever-increasing drug habit and legal troubles which probably distracted them a lot. Page as we know was strung out periodically on the 77 tour, it seems logical to assume that he probably didn't get round to multitracking everything because of that. It's more likely he did possibly multitrack in 75 outside of EC, as he was more together for that tour, but it's not certain. EDIT: Actually, when you think about it, Page did more multitrack and video recording than a fair few major bands of the 70s: 1970 RAH 1971 Japan 1972 LA/Long Beach 1973 Southampton and MSG 1975 EC 1979 Knebworth That's more than most bands of the era bothered to do. We criticize Page for not doing enough, but what if he was actually being more productive than almost anyone else from the era?
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    Updated Soundboard Wish List

    ^ Yeah, those two shows are just absolute bangers. I wasn't bothering with 1972 much, but those performances..... oh wow.
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    Radio broadcast reels mystery

    Anyone got any clues as to what the story behind this is, it's been floating around on ebay for some time now: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Led-Zeppelin-Live-Two-Radio-Broadcast-Reels-1969-1970-1971-1977-1980-Rare/302554222323?hash=item4671a30ef3:g:qxIAAOSwUM5aJfI4
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    Radio broadcast reels mystery

    Oh I had no intention of buying them, I was just wondering how authentic they were. I thought they were probably repackagings of bootlegs anyway.
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    Updated Soundboard Wish List

    The UK winter '71 tour is pretty great, but it would be nicer to have it in decent quality. I do think some of the high points of that tour equal Japan or other more famous 1971 shows, particularly the Manchester show which is a ferocious performance but sounds like it was recorded at the bottom of the ocean. SB wish list, then: 26/04/69 San Francisco 11/11/71 Newcastle 24/11/71 Manchester 02/12/71 Bournemouth 14/06/72 Nassau 15/06/72 Nassau 12/01/75 Brussels (for WTLB in SB quality) 22/06/77 LA
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    Underrated/overrated shows

    Yep, the Manchester show is good. So too is the one from the Winter 71 tour, although it sounds like it was recorded at the bottom of the ocean. Zeppelin always seemed to play good shows in Manchester. Not sure how underrated this is, but after playing it on Youtube last night I'll throw in Nassau 14/02/75 - a great show and the equal of the MSG one two days earlier. The band were on good form in those mid-Feb shows. The St. Louis one from the 16th is a solid performance too.
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    Underrated/overrated shows

    I like the Southampton show but it is a very loose and laid back performance, with the exception of a great HMMT/CB. I do value the recording quality and also how low key it is - the biggest band of their time playing a student union hall at the same period they were headlining multiple nights at huge US venues. The contrast is interesting. Don't write off the UK tour because of it though - check out Stoke from a week earlier, that is a pretty underrated performance.
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    top 5 favorite No Quarters

    I think it seems to have a lot of momentum in the middle jam section and doesn't drag. I haven't listened to the two following shows as much, but will give them a listen too. The momentum is one of the reasons why I also went for the Houston 77 version as well. The 1977 NQs are rather hit and miss for me. Some sound concise (Houston), some jam on for ages without getting boring (LA 27/06/77) and some sound rather aimless. I must admit though that I can't stand the jams with Nutrocker in them, it sounds ridiculous.
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    1979: Copenhagen v Knebworth

    I have to agree with these comments. Copenhagen 24/07 is certainly a great performance, but when people say that the sound quality is as good as LTTE I have to wonder what they were smoking. There's like, no BASS or depth to the recording. It just sounds tinny. Obviously not every audience tape can be like Millard's, and Copenhagen is not the worst AUD tape I've heard of Zeppelin by a long way, but there is no way I would classify it as the best AUD tape ever.
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    top 5 favorite No Quarters

    1) TSRTS 2) Vancouver 19/03/75 3) LA Forum 27/06/77 4) Houston 21/05/77 5) Celebration Day This changes all the time, though. The top 2 are pretty consistent, but the others come and go.
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    Earl's Court 25/05 best version

    Just wondering what the best version of this show is? Some time ago I acquired Conquistador which seems to be a highly regarded release, but I was underwhelmed. The mix on it seems wrong. Even though it's a soundboard, Page seems way down in the mix and Plant is front and centre in a way that sounded odd. Is this a problem with that particular soundboard or are better releases of it available? Thanks
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    What show or live song are you listening to now?

    Houston 1977. Interesting show - band seems rather laidback, but Bonham is very energetic. Really good version of SIBLY on this show. EDIT: Holy crap, an absolutely amazing version of NQ too here! I've not heard the middle section done like that before, much more hard rock than anything. Gets the job done nicely.
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    Earl's Court 25/05 best version

    Cheers, will check out both of the ones suggested.
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    What next? AGAIN

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    Unpopular opinions re live shows

    I'm bored, so will resurrect this thread to nitpick: 1) 1972/early 1973 is perhaps the least interesting Zeppelin setlist for me to listen to. It's still good, but it just seems somewhat rote, if that makes any sense. As someone else noted, cutting back the acoustic set in early 1973, really reduced the dynamics of the overall show. Also I really don't like Dancing Days and think it was a pretty poor choice to play. 2) Performing When The Levee Breaks live had potential. With a little patience it could have made a cool mid-set number, and it would have been pretty fun to hear them try it later in the tour when the band had warmed up properly. 3) Dazed and Confused after 1971 - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Some of the 1973 versions are pretty good, but generally anything over 20 minutes is pushing it. The mammoth versions found in 1975 just go on too much. 4) On the subject of 1975, I'm really not sure that the LA Forum shows in March are anywhere near as good as the performances of the previous week, they seem to lack energy in comparison. 5) The best version of WLL is the Knebworth one, they should have made that the go-to arrangement for the 1980 tour. 6) HMMT should have been played live more often after 1970.
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    Live better than Studio

    As mentioned above, it's easier to pick the Zeppelin songs which aren't improved on live. Pretty much anything from HotH or Presence especially is vastly better in the live setting. My picks for the close call ones are : 1) Since I've Been Loving You - while there are some great versions from 1971, the original studio version actually managed to nail the song perfectly with just the right mix of emotion and playing. 2) Ten Years Gone - agree that it's very close between the live and studio versions. 3) Battle Of Evermore - studio version has a certain delicacy to it. 4) Tangerine - ditto. 5) When The Levee Breaks didn't totally work in the live setting the few times it was played, which is a shame as there was the potential for it to do so. Still, the studio version just has something about it though. 6) Whole Lotta Love - I prefer the original studio version to most of the extended live versions with the medleys in the middle, however I prefer the Knebworth version most of all, with the awesome riff jam in the middle that keeps the momentum going.
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    What's in your Led Zeppelin collection?

    Generally Sabbath are the band I get obsessed and collect everything by, but the Zep collection is rapidly accumulating. So far.... CD: Official: I (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / II (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / III (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / IV / HotH / PG (original remaster from about 1994, plus 2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / TSRTS / Presence (2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / ITTOD / Coda (2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / BBC Sessions (1997 edition) / HTWWW / Celebration Day (CD and DVD package) Bootlegs: We're Gonna Groove (Montreux 1970) / A Young Person's Guide To Led Zeppelin, Vol. 2 (Tokyo 23/09/1971 - not good sound quality, will be getting rid of it somepoint) / The Great Lost Live Album (Southampton 22/01/1973) / Can't Take Your Evil Ways (NY 12/02/1975) - also have part of it on CD-R - / Bertha Blues (St. Louis 16/02/1975) / Empress Valley box set (LA Forum 24/25/27 of March, 1975) / Arabesque & Baroque: The Second Night (EC 18/05/1975) / Arabesque & Baroque: The Fourth Night (EC 24/05/1975) - also have part of it on CD-R - / Listen To This Eddie (LA 21/06/1977) (2 copies - Moonchild and Scorpio) / For Badgeholders Only (LA 23/06/1977) / Saturday Night's Alright (LA 25/06/1977) / Knebworth 11/08/1979 (CD-R) Vinyl: Official: I / II / III / IV / HotH / PG (UK first pressing) Bootleg: White Summer (Playhouse Theatre, London, 27/06/1969) DVD: Official: TSRTS (original release, not the 2007 reissue) / 2003 DVD Bootleg: Earl's Court 24/05/1975 Digital files: Various bootlegs, so far I have in digital format only: New York 19/09/1970 (evening show) AUD / Hiroshima 27/09/1971 AUD / Osaka 29/09/1971 AUD / Newcastle City Hall 11/11/1971 AUD / Manchester 24/11/1971 AUD / Manchester 08/12/1972 AUD / Vienna 16/03/1973 AUD/SBD mix / Mobile 13/05/1973 SBD / Seattle 17/07/1973 AUD/SBD mix? Unsure. / Baton Rouge 28/02/1975 SBD / Vancouver 19/03/1975 SBD / Vancouver 20/03/1975 SBD / Seattle 21/03/1975 SBD / Cleveland 27/04/1977 SBD / New York 07/06/1977 SBD / LA 22/06/1977 AUD / LA 27/06/1977 AUD / Zurich 29/06/1977 SBD - I think so anyway, it might be Frankfurt the next night that I have? Need to check. / Berlin 07/07/1980 AUD/SBD mix / O2 2007 rehearsal recording
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    Led Zeppelin - TSRTS vs. Pink FLoyd - Live at Pompeii

    Pompeii, no question. If you'd asked me to choose between the Floyd DVD and the 2003 Zep one, however.....
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    Your first Led Zeppelin album

    II. I first heard Zeppelin via Stairway, but it didn't sound like I expected it to. I think I was really looking for something along the lines of Kashmir at that point. Later, a local record store had all of Zep's albums on vinyl secondhand. I was getting into vinyl in a big way at this point, so I ended up buying II, III and IV over the space of several weeks. II therefore was the first album I properly tried, and I liked it, but I didn't truly click with the band until I lay on the floor and listened to IV front to back one day. After that I was off to the races, although it took me a while to like certain albums - initially I focused on the debut as my favourite, and shunned some of the PG stuff a bit, but I think it's the other way round now. It also took me a while to get into III, I found it to be all over the place at first, but in recent years it's gained a coherency to my ears.
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    Too young to go to any SG shows before they initially split in 97, but when they got back together I was fortunate enough to see them live three times. The first time was at Download 2012, which was OK but I was halfway up a hill watching the band and it was a rather casual encounter. Not so the next time, at Brixton Academy the following year, where the band were on mindblowingly good form, closing with Beyond The Wheel which was heavy, psychedelic and a thousand other things besides that. Oddly at that show they didn't play Black Hole Sun, but it didn't matter as the whole show was so good. Probably the best time I saw them in terms of performance. My favourite memory, however, has to be Hyde Park 2014. Sabbath were headlining that day, and the supports were SG, FNM, Motorhead etc. I enjoyed FNM's set, but Soundgarden were what I was really waiting for (and Sabbath as well, naturally). They strode on stage, and just said "Twenty years ago we made a record called Superunknown, and we're going to play the whole thing" - and went straight into it. Holy shit was that ever something special. I love Superunknown and think it stands head and shoulders above their other albums, and it's also the greatest record of its time (no mean feat, the early 90s were just full of tremendous music). To have the whole thing played live like that was beyond great. Also it was the 4th July as well...... so playing the whole album had even more meaning.