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  1. What next? AGAIN

  2. Unpopular opinions re live shows

    I'm bored, so will resurrect this thread to nitpick: 1) 1972/early 1973 is perhaps the least interesting Zeppelin setlist for me to listen to. It's still good, but it just seems somewhat rote, if that makes any sense. As someone else noted, cutting back the acoustic set in early 1973, really reduced the dynamics of the overall show. Also I really don't like Dancing Days and think it was a pretty poor choice to play. 2) Performing When The Levee Breaks live had potential. With a little patience it could have made a cool mid-set number, and it would have been pretty fun to hear them try it later in the tour when the band had warmed up properly. 3) Dazed and Confused after 1971 - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Some of the 1973 versions are pretty good, but generally anything over 20 minutes is pushing it. The mammoth versions found in 1975 just go on too much. 4) On the subject of 1975, I'm really not sure that the LA Forum shows in March are anywhere near as good as the performances of the previous week, they seem to lack energy in comparison. 5) The best version of WLL is the Knebworth one, they should have made that the go-to arrangement for the 1980 tour. 6) HMMT should have been played live more often after 1970.
  3. Live better than Studio

    As mentioned above, it's easier to pick the Zeppelin songs which aren't improved on live. Pretty much anything from HotH or Presence especially is vastly better in the live setting. My picks for the close call ones are : 1) Since I've Been Loving You - while there are some great versions from 1971, the original studio version actually managed to nail the song perfectly with just the right mix of emotion and playing. 2) Ten Years Gone - agree that it's very close between the live and studio versions. 3) Battle Of Evermore - studio version has a certain delicacy to it. 4) Tangerine - ditto. 5) When The Levee Breaks didn't totally work in the live setting the few times it was played, which is a shame as there was the potential for it to do so. Still, the studio version just has something about it though. 6) Whole Lotta Love - I prefer the original studio version to most of the extended live versions with the medleys in the middle, however I prefer the Knebworth version most of all, with the awesome riff jam in the middle that keeps the momentum going.
  4. What's in your Led Zeppelin collection?

    Generally Sabbath are the band I get obsessed and collect everything by, but the Zep collection is rapidly accumulating. So far.... CD: Official: I (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / II (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / III (2014 deluxe bonus disc edition) / IV / HotH / PG (original remaster from about 1994, plus 2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / TSRTS / Presence (2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / ITTOD / Coda (2015 deluxe bonus disc edition) / BBC Sessions (1997 edition) / HTWWW / Celebration Day (CD and DVD package) Bootlegs: We're Gonna Groove (Montreux 1970) / A Young Person's Guide To Led Zeppelin, Vol. 2 (Tokyo 23/09/1971 - not good sound quality, will be getting rid of it somepoint) / The Great Lost Live Album (Southampton 22/01/1973) / Can't Take Your Evil Ways (NY 12/02/1975) - also have part of it on CD-R - / Bertha Blues (St. Louis 16/02/1975) / Empress Valley box set (LA Forum 24/25/27 of March, 1975) / Arabesque & Baroque: The Second Night (EC 18/05/1975) / Arabesque & Baroque: The Fourth Night (EC 24/05/1975) - also have part of it on CD-R - / Listen To This Eddie (LA 21/06/1977) (2 copies - Moonchild and Scorpio) / For Badgeholders Only (LA 23/06/1977) / Saturday Night's Alright (LA 25/06/1977) / Knebworth 11/08/1979 (CD-R) Vinyl: Official: I / II / III / IV / HotH / PG (UK first pressing) Bootleg: White Summer (Playhouse Theatre, London, 27/06/1969) DVD: Official: TSRTS (original release, not the 2007 reissue) / 2003 DVD Bootleg: Earl's Court 24/05/1975 Digital files: Various bootlegs, so far I have in digital format only: New York 19/09/1970 (evening show) AUD / Hiroshima 27/09/1971 AUD / Osaka 29/09/1971 AUD / Newcastle City Hall 11/11/1971 AUD / Manchester 24/11/1971 AUD / Manchester 08/12/1972 AUD / Vienna 16/03/1973 AUD/SBD mix / Mobile 13/05/1973 SBD / Seattle 17/07/1973 AUD/SBD mix? Unsure. / Baton Rouge 28/02/1975 SBD / Vancouver 19/03/1975 SBD / Vancouver 20/03/1975 SBD / Seattle 21/03/1975 SBD / Cleveland 27/04/1977 SBD / New York 07/06/1977 SBD / LA 22/06/1977 AUD / LA 27/06/1977 AUD / Zurich 29/06/1977 SBD - I think so anyway, it might be Frankfurt the next night that I have? Need to check. / Berlin 07/07/1980 AUD/SBD mix / O2 2007 rehearsal recording
  5. Led Zeppelin - TSRTS vs. Pink FLoyd - Live at Pompeii

    Pompeii, no question. If you'd asked me to choose between the Floyd DVD and the 2003 Zep one, however.....
  6. Your first Led Zeppelin album

    II. I first heard Zeppelin via Stairway, but it didn't sound like I expected it to. I think I was really looking for something along the lines of Kashmir at that point. Later, a local record store had all of Zep's albums on vinyl secondhand. I was getting into vinyl in a big way at this point, so I ended up buying II, III and IV over the space of several weeks. II therefore was the first album I properly tried, and I liked it, but I didn't truly click with the band until I lay on the floor and listened to IV front to back one day. After that I was off to the races, although it took me a while to like certain albums - initially I focused on the debut as my favourite, and shunned some of the PG stuff a bit, but I think it's the other way round now. It also took me a while to get into III, I found it to be all over the place at first, but in recent years it's gained a coherency to my ears.
  7. Soundgarden

    Too young to go to any SG shows before they initially split in 97, but when they got back together I was fortunate enough to see them live three times. The first time was at Download 2012, which was OK but I was halfway up a hill watching the band and it was a rather casual encounter. Not so the next time, at Brixton Academy the following year, where the band were on mindblowingly good form, closing with Beyond The Wheel which was heavy, psychedelic and a thousand other things besides that. Oddly at that show they didn't play Black Hole Sun, but it didn't matter as the whole show was so good. Probably the best time I saw them in terms of performance. My favourite memory, however, has to be Hyde Park 2014. Sabbath were headlining that day, and the supports were SG, FNM, Motorhead etc. I enjoyed FNM's set, but Soundgarden were what I was really waiting for (and Sabbath as well, naturally). They strode on stage, and just said "Twenty years ago we made a record called Superunknown, and we're going to play the whole thing" - and went straight into it. Holy shit was that ever something special. I love Superunknown and think it stands head and shoulders above their other albums, and it's also the greatest record of its time (no mean feat, the early 90s were just full of tremendous music). To have the whole thing played live like that was beyond great. Also it was the 4th July as well...... so playing the whole album had even more meaning.
  8. Cuts by Mike the Mic

    Just to note that I was listening to the new Listen To This Erik Youtube upload the other day and I noticed that Plant's introduction to Bonham for Over The Top went on for a lot longer than I could recall it doing on Eddie, so maybe this was a Millard cut?
  9. Best Kashmir live version

    Lots of possibilities here, but if I can get them in order... 1) O2. No question, this is top of the pile. Something about the way this version just takes off into the stratosphere in a way that even the best 70s versions never did. I love live music, live albums and recordings are my main form of listening some days, and this, this is the summit of the mountain. 2) Knebworth 04/08/1979. Superlative version, just really tight and powerful, with a grandiosity to it. 3) LA 22/06/1977 4) LA 21/06/1977 5) Pick any version from 1975, really, most are excellent. One of the Vancouver ones maybe, or the NY 12/02 show, or maybe even EC on the 24th. Very consistent quality in the performances of this song.
  10. Best Stairway

    Not in any particular order apart from the first three: 1) TSRTS 2) Tokyo 23/09/1971 3) LA 21/06/1977 4) Berkeley 14/09/1971 5) BBC Sessions (has a certain delicacy to it) 6) EC 24/05/1975 (or the following night, I can't pick between them).

    1) TSRTS 2) Vancouver 19/03/75 3) Celebration Day The TSRTS one may be a patchwork, but it really has a vibe like no other. Generally I prefer NQ to be concise and not spread out so much, which is why I've got less patience for the 75-77 versions. However, the Vancouver one on the 19th is awesome, it doesn't slow down or wander and just goes off into its own world for a while, and the recording is great too. The Celebration Day version I like because it's back to the concise rendition of the song, I think it's stretched out a little to 10 minutes or so. I find it very atmospheric. I really do think the 77 versions wander so much they lose the point of the song, and sound rather disjointed for the most part. The LA versions are OK, but the ones from earlier in the tour when they put Nut Rocker in are somewhat ridiculous. Just doesn't go with the whole ambience of the song.
  12. Just to say thanks so much for taping this source and sharing it with the world. I'm listening to the pitch-corrected master on Youtube right now and while LTTE will always be my go-to for this show because of instrumental clarity, I really am loving this recording, the atmosphere is amazing, feels like one is right there in the seat.
  13. Southampton 73- Why it's the best bootleg

    I agree with most of the other posts in this thread. I like Southampton but it's nowhere near their best performance. It isn't poor either, but it's kind of more laidback if anything. As others have noted, the Stoke show from the week before is notably more energetic - that is a rather underrated performance actually. I will agree that Southampton may well be the best sounding Zeppelin boot out there, since it's taken from a multi-track recording. However, I think lots of shows manage to capture the atmosphere of a Zeppelin concert better, LTTE being the standout example. One thing that I do find Southampton interesting for is that it shows the band in a small, intimate venue, while at the height of their success. To make a comparison, it's like if U2 put out a live album of them playing the student union at Trinity College Dublin. The juxtaposition of hearing a world beating, super-heavyweight band in such a small environment at their commercial peak is completely fascinating. The laidback vibe helps in this regard, it's a very different sort of show to the US arenas. There are some good performances to Southampton - HMMT/CB especially - but I do value it more for its unusualness than anything else.
  14. What are the best live bands of all time? (apart from Zep)

    Iron Maiden
  15. The Black Sabbath Thread

    Good that there's a document of this tour. I saw the 31st Jan show at the O2 and out of the 9 times I've seen some version of Sabbath, that was one of the best. You just can't beat the Iommi/Butler wall of sound, and at that show they were taking it to new levels. The Master Of Reality material sounded like Killing Joke! Been trying to find a bootleg of the show. I can find ones for the other shows, but not that one...
  16. What show or live song are you listening to now?

    Playing some of the UK winter tour 1971 on Youtube. Newcastle is quite nice - a fairly loose and relaxed show for 1971, but it's in noticeably better sound quality than anything else I've heard from this tour. It's a shame that there isn't some better quality audio out there, because I'm listening to the Manchester show from the 24th now and I think it could well be one of the better shows of that entire year. However it sounds like it was recorded underwater.
  17. What live song do you skip or endure?

    Or blues medleys. Whichever they seem to put in there.
  18. What live song do you skip or endure?

    I really like IMTOD live. Just translated really well into the live show, and it's such a powerhouse of a song. I've heard complaints about the length of it regarding the studio version as well, but I disagree - I love the fact that it's over ten minutes long and just keeps repeating the same riffs over and over again. It's good music, so the more the merrier. Also the 'Oh My Jesus' part is my favourite bit of the song because after Plant does it a few times Page just comes straight back in with the riffage again..... My main choices for songs to skip are: 1) Moby Dick. Just no.* 2) Misty Mountain Hop. The worst song on IV, and it's taken me a long time to like it properly. So many better songs that can be played live. 3) D&C if it's just getting ridiculous and pushing over the 25 min mark, although I do sometimes play them, depends on my mood. 4) Noise Solo - can take or leave.... 5) Whole Lotta Love - I'm not that interested in hearing a load of 50s rock n roll medleys, mostly. I agree with the person who said that the main riff of the studio version never got reproduced fully satisfactorily live. However I will make an exception for the Copenhagen/Knebworth versions, which get rid of the theremin section and replace it with a riff jam including some incredible moments and keeping the momentum of the song going. That's my favourite version of the song, including the studio/BBC ones. 6) The Song Remains The Same. 50% of the time I skip this. Never been a huge fan of it - it's a good song but I just have so many others I prefer. *(I appreciate Bonham's skill, but my drum solo tolerance is very low in general. The only one I've witnessed that was actually good was a 5 minute one from Carl Palmer a few years ago at an ELP show, which was genuinely riveting to watch. But almost anyone else, I simply turn to the next track.)
  19. Rank the Zeppelin albums - favorite to least favorite.

    1. Physical Graffiti 2. IV 3. III 4. II 5. HotH 6. I 7. Presence 8. ITTOD Coda is odds and sods so I don't tend to rank that one. III and II switch round as and when I like it, and HotH moves up and down the list a lot - sometimes it's in my top 3, othertimes it isn't. I love the first album, but it's just improved on so much in subsequent records. Neither Presence or ITTOD are that much of a step down, but they're both weird. Presence is difficult to get into, and ITTOD feels like a collection of songs and interesting ideas, not so much a cohesive statement. PG and IV are always the top ones, though.
  20. Starting Bootleg Recommendations

    Also try the following shows on Youtube - some are in very good quality, others not so much. The bits I've heard from them are all great, though. Boston 26/01/1969 Fillmore West 27/04/1969 Schaefer 21/07/1969 Copenhagen 05/03/1971 Berkeley 14/09/1971 Newcastle, sometime late 1971 Offenbach, spring 1973 thereabouts LA, 27/06/1977 Zurich, about June 1980 Berlin, 1980 [last show, longest Stairway solo ever] Also definitely get the DVD and BBC sessions - both are godlike [esp. the DVD].
  21. Starting Bootleg Recommendations

    I'm somewhat new to bootlegs myself, but I'll give a mention to the best I've heard so far: Tokyo, 23/09/1971 -----> first night of Japan 71 tour and whole band just on it and wild, dramatic show, reasonable sound, and one of the best versions of Stairway ever. Southampton University, 22/01/1973 ------> Decent, but not the best show - still good, but band very loose and laidback. Interestingly low-key show for Zep at this point as I think it's in the student refectory. However the main selling point is that the recording quality is superb - easily the best sound of any Zep boot I've heard outside of radio broadcasts, and there are some surprises in the setlist such as HMMT and CB. Madison Square Garden, New York, 12/02/1975 -----> Check the date as I may be wrong on this, but this is one of the best 75 shows. I think it's referred to as 'Four Blocks In The Snow' after a comment Plant makes between songs. Great performances of Sick Again and Kashmir. Good soundboard recording. St Louis, 16/02/1975 -------> Really consistent and excellent show with a great Stairway and other stuff. Quality soundboard recording. Baton Rouge, 28/02/1975 --------> Same as above, but notable because the band seems to be playing in a slightly faster tempo than from the other shows at around this time - gives it a certain extra something. Great version of Sick Again. Earls Court, 24/05/1975 --------> Zeppelin at their most regal. This is available on DVD. Great versions of the PG material and Stairway. LA Forum, 21/06/1977 --------> the 'Listen To This, Eddie' show. The 1977 tour is erratic but the LA shows are brilliant and of a notably more energetic quality than most. This show is awesome, the band just come out of the gate firing on all cylinders and the intensity just doesn't let up. Brilliant, balls-to-the-wall versions of Sick Again, Achilles Last Stand, TSRTS, etc. etc. etc. Brilliant audience tape that really gets the vibe of the whole event. Bonham in supreme form. LA Forum, 22/06/1977 -------> Not as good an audience recording, but perhaps an even better show than the night before. The band are still manic but are a little more focused and it's magnificent. LA Forum, 23/06/1977 ------------> Noticeably more loose and 'funky' than the previous two nights. A completely different vibe but just as fascinating - very much in the groove, raunchy and downright sleazy in places. Interesting fuck up in the middle of Kashmir but the band recover very well and finish powerfully. Very good audience recording [the guy who did it recorded the 21/23/25 and 27 shows - all of these sound great]. LA Forum, 25/06/1977 -----------> Somewhat more of a regal performance than the previous three nights, still a great show. Acoustic set is wonderful. Stately version of Kashmir. Quite an interesting No Quarter too, even though I'm not a huge fan of the half an hour jam this song had stretched out into, it works well here. Knebworth, 04/08/1979 ----------> An iconic and very consistent show, with great versions of In The Evening, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Sick Again and Achilles Last Stand. My personal favourite version of Whole Lotta Love with a cool riff jam section.

    It's a shame that JP is probably not the kind of person who'd just put out an 'official bootleg' series, as Zep would be a great band for this. I've got a Lynyrd Skynyrd show from 1975 in Cardiff which was issued from the Wolfgang's Vault archives by one of the major labels [can't remember which one] as an 'official bootleg', no editing at all, just laid onto CD and sold at the store, and it's a really great show. I love it when bands do this, but JP is very perfectionist and I doubt he'd release anything in that way.
  23. Favorite/Best version of Since I've Been Loving You

    From what I've heard, Tokyo 23/09/71. Dramatic and powerful. However, I will have to say that SIBLY is one of the few Zep songs that I never thought improved upon the studio version in the live setting. Most of their songs do, but the studio version of SIBLY is just so powerful, well-paced and dramatic, and Plant nails the vocals in a way he never really seemed to do so in any of the live versions I've heard.
  24. Favorite opening song?

    Immigrant Song or Communication Breakdown for me, although it's hard to argue with the 1-2 of TSRTS/Sick Again.