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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Hi everyone. I've been reading this forum for a long time and i recently created an account. I enjoy all the twelve years of music that Led Zeppelin gave to us, and i am a huge fan of the 1977 tour. I see that the 77 tour gets slammed by some waterheads here and there, without a reason. I decided to rank all the 77 shows, to prove that most of them are good. THE ORDER IS RANDOM. I included only the shows that we have recordings for. BAD/WEIRD SHOWS Tempe Arizona, July 20 1977 Oklahoma city, April 3 1977 (the band is unrehearsed) Chicago, April 6 1977 (the band is unrehearsed) Chicago, April 7 1977 (the band still sounds a little bit rusty) Landover Maryland, May 26 1977 (IMTOD and Kashmir are trainwrecks) MEDIOCRE-GOOD SHOWS Houston TX, May 21 1977 (good performance) Fort worth TX, May 22 1977 (good performance) Landover, May 25 and 28 1977 (mediocre to good) Cleveland, April 27 1977 (good) Chicago, April 9 1977 (good) Cincinatti, April 19 and 20 1977 (good) Atlanta, April 23 1977 (good) Kentucky, April 25 1977 (good) New York, June 7 1977 (good) San Diego, June 19 1977 (brilliant playing from Jimmy, bad playing from Bonzo) Seattle, July 17 1977 (good show, but shitty SIBLY and Jimmy is lost during the OTHAFA solo) Oakland, July 23 1977 (good show, but Jimmy completely destroys the TYG solo) Oakland, July 24 1977 (good) VERY GOOD-LEGENDARY SHOWS Chicago, April 10 1977 (very good, the only bad moment is the first TYG solo, but Jimmy makes up with the second solo) Cleveland, April 28 1977 (excellent show, one of the best TYG, great NQ, kashmir and ALS) Pontiac, April 30 1977 (excellent, Jimmy plays greatly) Birmingham, May 18 1977 (excellent) Landover, May 30 1977 (excellent) Tampa, June 3 1977 (it started excellent and powerful) New York, June 8,10,11,13,14 1977 (excellent) Los Angeles, June 21,22,23,25,26,27 1977 (epic, legendary shows, with the 22nd being my favorite) I'd like to hear your opinions on my list.
  2. First of all: I don't want to start any rumors or debates. I just want to share my observations with you and discuss about them. A year ago, I was searching the web to find photos of the 1977 laser pyramid. I honestly don't remember exactly the keywords I used, but I came across a website and I saw the photo I am going to post below. One guy claimed that this photo is a fragment of the 5/21/1977 video. I quickly took a screenshot with my phone. I recently tried to find again that website, but no matter the keywords I used, I couldn't find it again. Because I am a vintage electronics fan, familiar with videotapes, it seems to me that the "photo" is really a snippet of a video. Look at the line at centre, its the classic line of a videotape that goes fast forward. Also, note the tiny line at the bottom of the picture. The Seattle video has the same line, although bigger. And finally, an other thing I noticed: All the 1977 soundboard recordings have cuts every 45-47 minutes. This is because the showco workers used 90 minute cassettes (approximately 45 minutes each side.) The only 1977 soundboards that don't have 45 minute cuts are Houston and Seattle. Houston has only one cut during Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp and Seattle has two cuts: One cut during No Quarter and a tiny cut during the guitar solo. Also, the Houston soundboard sounds different, compared to the other '77 board tapes. The difference with the Seattle tape is that Houston recording is stereophonic, while Seattle recording is monaural. My conclusion is that the 5/21/77 soundboard recording is actually a video soundtrack! What do you people think? Edit: I know that no cameras were on stage. The show was possibly videotaped from an upper room with a single camera cctv system.
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    PROOF THAT ANOTHER 1977 PRO-SHOT VIDEO EXISTS

    NO. I listened to it carefully and I didn't find any cuts, covered or not. (Except bron yr aur stomp.) And it sounds waaay different, compared to the other tapes. Prove your claim if you want.
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    Pontiac Silverdome Footage

    It was filmed and projected on the giant screen. We don't know if it was recorded. At least, 24 minutes of 8mm footage exist.
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    PROOF THAT ANOTHER 1977 PRO-SHOT VIDEO EXISTS

    I have noticed this in all '77 amateur films. Only the green/yellow beams behind Jimmys amps are captured. The blue pyramid is invisible. Same thing with the Seattle video. The pyramid is captured only during the final spin. Does anybody know why?
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    PROOF THAT ANOTHER 1977 PRO-SHOT VIDEO EXISTS

    Your explanation sounds good to me. And if there is a little chance for the video to exist, time will tell.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    For the Pontiac show, download the 2nd gen recording from black beauty. For Birmingham, 3 separate recordings exist. 2 of them sound like shit, while the 3rd is very good. Download the "out of the way" version from black beauty.
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    PROOF THAT ANOTHER 1977 PRO-SHOT VIDEO EXISTS

    Yes. No cameras and camera men were on stage. No video screens were projecting. But there was a room on an upper level with a cctv system (I think these rooms are called "luxury boxes"). Many other concerts were filmed from this room, with no need of onstage camera men. 1970's betamax videos were small enough (but very expensive) so I can imagine someone taping the show from the upper floor. Of course, this is only a speculation.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Thanks for the confirmation
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    You are very rude. And your comment about the quality of the shows and the releases is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    If he has no multitracks, he is never going to release a raw soundboard. Unless he decides do make a matrix (audience + sbd recording).
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Its been a long time since I read it on this forum. But I remember clearly reading that Jimmy was "unable to locate" multitracks from 1977. Oh and look at all the photos from '77. NO double microphones on the kick drum, Jimmy's amps and John Paul Jone's amps. Perhaps another member will confirm this.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    1. 1977 is Bonham's peak 2. Knebworth shows are shit, compared to LA 77 (with the exception of a few songs) 3. Sometimes Jimmy played bad, and sometimes BRILLIANT 4. The 1977 LA shows alone are better than all the 75 shows and some of the band's best concerts ever (together with 6-25-72, 6-27-72 and Europe 1973) 5. When I listen to most of the 1973 shows I always think how shitty Plant's voice is (Page is great though) 6. What exactly do you mean by "awful recordings"? Millard's recordings are bad to your ears? 4-28-77 recording sounds bad to you? 7. Someone who dislikes the 1977 LA shows (not to mention MSG, Pontiac and Birmingham) is either deaf or mentally ill.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    No. Not at all. The only reason for not releasing anything from 77 is because NO MULTITRACKS FROM 1977 EXIST. Jimmy has said it.
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Exactly
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    I thought that the tape was not circulating at all. At least, if it circulates among the elite of fans, there is a lot of hope it will leak one day. Your post made my day!
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    1977 SHOWS RANKED INTO 3 CATEGORIES

    Your post sums up everything about the 77 tour. I agree 100% and i still don't get why so many people dislike this tour. I guess they have their own problems...
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    Led Zeppelin's WORST show?

    You are right, but i think 5/26 is worse. They destroyed kashmir and IMTOD.
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    Nitpicking Page 1977

    Download the alternate recording from "long live led zeppelin". It sounds better than this shitty EV release.
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    Robert Plant Oakland 07/24/77

    That would be awesome, but how do we know that April 1977 was recorded? No tapes have surfaced yet. (Cleveland 4/27 is another story, it was recorded "by accident". It wasn't recorded by showco employees, but someone else brought his home tape deck and he plugged it in.)
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    Robert Plant Oakland 07/24/77

    So, you trash 77 because Page, Jones and Plant said "we were show boating most shows." This is true for some shows (less than half) but definitely not "most shows." To my ears, many 77 shows are brilliant, and way better than 75. Definitely NOT "a shame." Actually, only 8 shows out of 40 are bad. And i have to remind you that Page's memory is not what you think. He once said: "I don't remember most of the 77 tour."
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    Robert Plant Oakland 07/24/77

    The 1980 and many 1973 soundboard recordings were stolen from Jimmy's house. They are circulating since the eighties and nineties. The 1975 and 1977 soundboards are a different story. They probably come from a former showco employee and they started circulating since the 2000's when the bootleg company empress valley started their "soundboard revolution" campaign. They release one recording each year. All the soundboard recordings circulate and you can find them for free on youtube or on websites like "black beauty" or "long live led zeppelin." We can only suppose how many shows were recorded. For 1977, many fans in the zeppelin community (me included) believe that all the second and third leg of the tour was recorded. From LA 1977, the only thing that circulates is a soundboard fragment of Jimmy's noise solo (June 23) I personally believe that the Pontiac Silverdome concert was recorded for historic purpose. In my opinion, all the remaining soundboards will surface during the next years. It is a matter of time. Remember the rumors about the 9/28/1971 and 9/29/1971 shows in Japan. Many people were saying that the tapes do not exist. But they recently starded circulating, one song after the other. Soon, we gonna get the whole thing.
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    Robert Plant Oakland 07/24/77

    The sound quality has nothing to do with the level of the performance. The Pontiac 77 show is brilliant (the audience recording doesn't lie) A soundboard of this show is in my top 10 list.
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    Robert Plant Oakland 07/24/77

    I have noticed that in many of your posts, you badly criticize 1977. Have you ever heard Cleveland 4/28, LA, Birmingham, Pontiac and NY? These are great concerts, most of them better than 1975
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