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39 minutes ago, kipper said:

Strider.

Im very sorry for your friends with cancer, everybody knows people who have died of this terrible disease, I will keep them in my prayers. But my opinion on pot heads goes back long before I ever even heard about the man you hate. Im old enough to remember all the high school losers hopped up on drugs. I alwasy thought the ones from rich familes were the biggest losers because they had so much already going for them to waste their lives.  I grew up pretty poor and really still am that by many standards but I wouldnt waste a nickel on something as expensive as drugs. When I have a little extra I try to share my money with others in need insted of just going out and wasting it on drugs which is just selfish.

Correct me if Im wrong but isn't the guy you hate not accepting a salary?  And didnt the other guy before play golf too in Hawaii? And didnt his wife take her mother on expensive vacations too? And talk about sham marraiges didn't the one who lost  last time married to the guy who used to be in office  have a sham real sham marriage?

I think it sad that you think Im the person to talk down to Strider, I thought we were always friendly to each other but I guess that only went so far as when I voted the way you approve. Now that I have a different opinion I guess I have no value to you but I can take it. I just hope Im not debating with you when you are high because then we wouldnt be having an honest conversation. 

 

I am not talking down at you. We have a history of jibing and taking the piss at one another. Or maybe I have you confused with a different kipper. I am just incredulous at some of your statements. I have no idea who you voted for nor do I care. Lots of people I know voted for Trump and I remain friends with them. Most of them now realize they were had and that Trump is not the answer they were looking for. 

It's been a year. The facts and evidence are in and continue to build up. You can remain blind to them if you want but by now most rational intelligent people realize Trump is unqualified to be president. 

It doesn't mean I think you should have voted for Hillary or Bernie...both flawed candidates. But there were other Republicans better qualified than Trump.

Trump is a racist, pig-headed, unintelligent, lying, narcissistic bully. A year ago you could say that was merely an opinion. But no longer...it's a fact in plain view of anyone paying attention.

I'm sorry you only have had bad experiences with marijuana. But you sound like the sky-is-falling alarmists in that scare-hoax "Reefer Madness". With freedom and liberty comes great responsibility. If some people can't handle their drugs or alcohol, that's their problem. It shouldn't impinge on other responsible adults right to indulge.

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13 minutes ago, Strider said:

 

It's been a year. The facts and evidence are in and continue to build up. You can remain blind to them if you want but by now most rational intelligent people realize Trump is unqualified to be president. 

 

Can I ask you a question Strider.  Now that the facts are in about HRC does that not matter to you?

The best candidate with the best message won, it is simple as that. There could have been many better candidates, but they didn't win.

BTW you didnt answer my question before. Did you not get a raise and a bonus this year?

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8 hours ago, Strider said:

Yes I did get a raise and a bonus this year. Just like I received raises and bonuses during the Clinton, Bush and Obama years. Big deal. Trump has nothing to do with my work.

An investigation into HRC would reveal some shenanigans but nothing of the sort that Sean Hannity and the Russian fake news sites trumpeted. The e-mail kerfuffle was much ado about nothing, as I said long ago, and which is why the FBI concluded there was nothing worth prosecuting her for...unless being a "politician" is now a crime.

In which case you would have to arrest all of Washington and throw away the key.

Oh, by the way...since Trump has been in office, there have been far worse uses of the e-mail server and revealing of classified information to the wrong people. Trump's White House is a sieve of intel leaks.

 

The news said Apple is bringing back to the USA 20,000 jobs thanks to the current president.

I got a very nice raise in December and another one is coming in a few months. The company had frozen raises for several years when Obama was President. My neighbor said she got a raise too, but I dont count hers because it was a minimum wage increase which is really just more like a welfare raise anyway.

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12 hours ago, Victor said:

Having a family member that works in the palace in their admin team, I know that they have very very busy lives based around charities, trusts, functions etc etc. they have very little time to themselves. Even people in this country have very little clue how much they are actually involved in.  

Who cares because they are very creepy and weird

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8 hours ago, kipper said:

 

The news said Apple is bringing back to the USA 20,000 jobs thanks to the current president.

I got a very nice raise in December and another one is coming in a few months. The company had frozen raises for several years when Obama was President. My neighbor said she got a raise too, but I dont count hers because it was a minimum wage increase which is really just more like a welfare raise anyway.

I will believe it when I see it, after all, Walmart just closed 68 Sam's Clubs which resulted in the termination of over 10,000 employees. Also, I know of no one who has gotten a large raise last year or is expecting a large raise this year. Most companies will continue with the standard "cost of living" increase which is actually, typically, 1 or 2% below the actual COL / CPI increase. Just remember, a company can announce ANYTHING, it does not mean they will actually do it. 

Also, please remember, the stock market performing as it is has zero bearing on the overall economy. More than 83% of all stock are held by the 1%. The stocks are performing so well due to the reduction of regulations which allow windfall profits. We are essentially, back in the Gilded Age. On a final note, the stock market is also artificially inflated akin to a bubble. Most economists believe we are in for a major correction around August / September 2018 and a loss of around 10,000 point would not be unexpected. Also, interest rates will likely start going up around that time in an effort to curb out of control inflation.

So, I suggest (for people in the market such as I) to begin moving your investments out of high gain or moderate gain stocks and into low gain, low risk such as public utilities and T notes otherwise you could easily lose half of your portfolio. Real Estate will also likely take a hit, but a small one, maybe a max of 7% devaluation, however rental prices are really going up so if you do invest in real estate, even though the property may take a slight dive in value, you can more than make up for it with the increased rental income.

Another great investment will be in marijuana related stock, that shit is going up, up, up and would not be affected by a downturn in the stock market. Sessions will not, nor can do a damn thing about weed at this point whether he knows it or not. That horse left the barn once Cali legalized it for recreational use. That being said, please do your research into a company before you invest. Weed is a growing (get it) market but all the positive indicators mean squat if the company is being mismanaged so be sure to check out quarterly and annual statements before investing.

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8 hours ago, IpMan said:

I will believe it when I see it, after all, Walmart just closed 68 Sam's Clubs which resulted in the termination of over 10,000 employees. Also, I know of no one who has gotten a large raise last year or is expecting a large raise this year. Most companies will continue with the standard "cost of living" increase which is actually, typically, 1 or 2% below the actual COL / CPI increase. Just remember, a company can announce ANYTHING, it does not mean they will actually do it. 

Also, please remember, the stock market performing as it is has zero bearing on the overall economy. More than 83% of all stock are held by the 1%. The stocks are performing so well due to the reduction of regulations which allow windfall profits. We are essentially, back in the Gilded Age. On a final note, the stock market is also artificially inflated akin to a bubble. Most economists believe we are in for a major correction around August / September 2018 and a loss of around 10,000 point would not be unexpected. Also, interest rates will likely start going up around that time in an effort to curb out of control inflation.

So, I suggest (for people in the market such as I) to begin moving your investments out of high gain or moderate gain stocks and into low gain, low risk such as public utilities and T notes otherwise you could easily lose half of your portfolio. Real Estate will also likely take a hit, but a small one, maybe a max of 7% devaluation, however rental prices are really going up so if you do invest in real estate, even though the property may take a slight dive in value, you can more than make up for it with the increased rental income.

Another great investment will be in marijuana related stock, that shit is going up, up, up and would not be affected by a downturn in the stock market. Sessions will not, nor can do a damn thing about weed at this point whether he knows it or not. That horse left the barn once Cali legalized it for recreational use. That being said, please do your research into a company before you invest. Weed is a growing (get it) market but all the positive indicators mean squat if the company is being mismanaged so be sure to check out quarterly and annual statements before investing.

I witness this on a local level. A lot of new pot dispenseries are flourishing while two long-time pot places in Hollywood, who weathered the tough times before the legalization vote, had to close recently because of repeated harassment and raids by the Feds.

 

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5 hours ago, Strider said:

I witness this on a local level. A lot of new pot dispenseries are flourishing while two long-time pot places in Hollywood, who weathered the tough times before the legalization vote, had to close recently because of repeated harassment and raids by the Feds.

 

Good, I hope they raid all of them and drive them all out of business.

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21 hours ago, kipper said:

Good, I hope they raid all of them and drive them all out of business.

Yes, and then the morality police can go to the liquor store and do the same on the way to merchants who sell tobacco and or porn. With some hard work and perseverance, we can be just like Saudi Arabia or Children of the Corn in no time.

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Whilst the advanced and intelligent Stateside crack on with Medical Marijuana reform, our Government of course still closes their eyes and ears. This week a heartwarming story, not too dissimilar from "Charlotte's" story in the US, made the headlines:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-43101716

What makes this even more ridiculous is that the Government has said that anti depressants "work" and we should take more of them ! It just goes to show how fucking stupid that Pig May is and how big Pharma companies are licking the Governments arse. 

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On 1/17/2018 at 5:02 PM, Strider said:

I am not talking down at you. We have a history of jibing and taking the piss at one another. Or maybe I have you confused with a different kipper. I am just incredulous at some of your statements. I have no idea who you voted for nor do I care. Lots of people I know voted for Trump and I remain friends with them. Most of them now realize they were had and that Trump is not the answer they were looking for. 

It's been a year. The facts and evidence are in and continue to build up. You can remain blind to them if you want but by now most rational intelligent people realize Trump is unqualified to be president. 

It doesn't mean I think you should have voted for Hillary or Bernie...both flawed candidates. But there were other Republicans better qualified than Trump.

Trump is a racist, pig-headed, unintelligent, lying, narcissistic bully. A year ago you could say that was merely an opinion. But no longer...it's a fact in plain view of anyone paying attention.

I'm sorry you only have had bad experiences with marijuana. But you sound like the sky-is-falling alarmists in that scare-hoax "Reefer Madness". With freedom and liberty comes great responsibility. If some people can't handle their drugs or alcohol, that's their problem. It shouldn't impinge on other responsible adults right to indulge.

Can you name one example of racism? Sh***ole countries comment was not racist...wasn't racist when Obama called them hellholes either...there are a plethora of factors that contribute to the countries he was referring to as being not nice places to live. Doesn't have to do with the color of people's skin. 

Pretty unsubstantiated to call him unintelligent. He turned $10mm into $10bn. Lost it all and then made it all back and then some. Has had failures in business, for sure, but has been generally very successful, particularly as it pertains to NYC real estate. Took a stab at TV, created a wildly successful show. Took a stab at politics, became President of the USA on his first try. He is brash and, again, has some shortcomings, but he seems to be largely mischaracterized. Watch some interviews of him on YouTube from the 80s and 90s to get a fuller sense of this guy. Maybe in his older age he is a little more crass, but he's usually just calling it as he sees it, which is a breath of fresh air. Point is, largely, that he is not a politician. That is the point. Politicians are scumbags and liars, and can be bought. A private sector guy is exactly what this country needed to try and slow down the leftist onslaught that in the end will take this baby down. Calling him unqualified...I'd rather someone from the business world than someone who has spent their life in politics. The difference between these two types of people can't be overstated. Pre schoolers to grad students. 

I'm not a blind Trump fan, but name calling is petty and makes you sound jealous. Trump is in many ways admirable. Try digging a little deeper than the headlines. Horribly slow start, but these last few months he has pushed out some of the best policy in the last 30 years. 

 

 

To IpMan, more than 250 companies have pledged to raise wages and pay unanticipated bonuses. Head of Apple Tim Cooke and one other major, major CEO (can't remember) both recently said their hundred billion dollar plans to invest in the USA are a result of the tax plan. Many companies are bringing money back from overseas and it will now all be taxed. Who knows how many companies also made changes that will go unannounced. Small shops that now can afford to make even one new hire. Lastly, with regards to "83% of stocks are owned by the 1%". What dumb logic. First of all, the correct statistic is that the wealthiest 10%, not 1%, of households own 84% of stocks. Know your facts. More importantly, every American with a 401k, whose retirement is linked to the market, is better off. Half of all households own stock directly or indirectly via mutual funds, trusts, or pension accounts. Americans benefits from a rising stock market. All pensions (teachers, firemen, etc) are dependent on a growing stock market, where do you think their retirement money is invested. 

Even if there is a correction mid year, the market will close on December 31 higher than it opened on Jan 1.

Everyone should take a moment to be happy about what's happening instead of harboring such hate. I hope you aren't letting mass media form your opinions for you, or letting them do all your critical thinking. 

 

EDIT: Want to add that, I believe, if you give people $10mm and tell them to turn it into $10bn, 99% of them lose it all within a year. 

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4 hours ago, paplbojo said:

Can you name one example of racism? Sh***ole countries comment was not racist...wasn't racist when Obama called them hellholes either...there are a plethora of factors that contribute to the countries he was referring to as being not nice places to live. Doesn't have to do with the color of people's skin. 

Pretty unsubstantiated to call him unintelligent. He turned $10mm into $10bn. Lost it all and then made it all back and then some. Has had failures in business, for sure, but has been generally very successful, particularly as it pertains to NYC real estate. Took a stab at TV, created a wildly successful show. Took a stab at politics, became President of the USA on his first try. He is brash and, again, has some shortcomings, but he seems to be largely mischaracterized. Watch some interviews of him on YouTube from the 80s and 90s to get a fuller sense of this guy. Maybe in his older age he is a little more crass, but he's usually just calling it as he sees it, which is a breath of fresh air. Point is, largely, that he is not a politician. That is the point. Politicians are scumbags and liars, and can be bought. A private sector guy is exactly what this country needed to try and slow down the leftist onslaught that in the end will take this baby down. Calling him unqualified...I'd rather someone from the business world than someone who has spent their life in politics. The difference between these two types of people can't be overstated. Pre schoolers to grad students. 

I'm not a blind Trump fan, but name calling is petty and makes you sound jealous. Trump is in many ways admirable. Try digging a little deeper than the headlines. Horribly slow start, but these last few months he has pushed out some of the best policy in the last 30 years. 

 

 

To IpMan, more than 250 companies have pledged to raise wages and pay unanticipated bonuses. Head of Apple Tim Cooke and one other major, major CEO (can't remember) both recently said their hundred billion dollar plans to invest in the USA are a result of the tax plan. Many companies are bringing money back from overseas and it will now all be taxed. Who knows how many companies also made changes that will go unannounced. Small shops that now can afford to make even one new hire. Lastly, with regards to "83% of stocks are owned by the 1%". What dumb logic. First of all, the correct statistic is that the wealthiest 10%, not 1%, of households own 84% of stocks. Know your facts. More importantly, every American with a 401k, whose retirement is linked to the market, is better off. Half of all households own stock directly or indirectly via mutual funds, trusts, or pension accounts. Americans benefits from a rising stock market. All pensions (teachers, firemen, etc) are dependent on a growing stock market, where do you think their retirement money is invested. 

Even if there is a correction mid year, the market will close on December 31 higher than it opened on Jan 1.

Everyone should take a moment to be happy about what's happening instead of harboring such hate. I hope you aren't letting mass media form your opinions for you, or letting them do all your critical thinking. 

 

EDIT: Want to add that, I believe, if you give people $10mm and tell them to turn it into $10bn, 99% of them lose it all within a year. 

 

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4 hours ago, paplbojo said:

Can you name one example of racism? Sh***ole countries comment was not racist...wasn't racist when Obama called them hellholes either...there are a plethora of factors that contribute to the countries he was referring to as being not nice places to live. Doesn't have to do with the color of people's skin. 

Pretty unsubstantiated to call him unintelligent. He turned $10mm into $10bn. Lost it all and then made it all back and then some. Has had failures in business, for sure, but has been generally very successful, particularly as it pertains to NYC real estate. Took a stab at TV, created a wildly successful show. Took a stab at politics, became President of the USA on his first try. He is brash and, again, has some shortcomings, but he seems to be largely mischaracterized. Watch some interviews of him on YouTube from the 80s and 90s to get a fuller sense of this guy. Maybe in his older age he is a little more crass, but he's usually just calling it as he sees it, which is a breath of fresh air. Point is, largely, that he is not a politician. That is the point. Politicians are scumbags and liars, and can be bought. A private sector guy is exactly what this country needed to try and slow down the leftist onslaught that in the end will take this baby down. Calling him unqualified...I'd rather someone from the business world than someone who has spent their life in politics. The difference between these two types of people can't be overstated. Pre schoolers to grad students. 

I'm not a blind Trump fan, but name calling is petty and makes you sound jealous. Trump is in many ways admirable. Try digging a little deeper than the headlines. Horribly slow start, but these last few months he has pushed out some of the best policy in the last 30 years. 

 

 

To IpMan, more than 250 companies have pledged to raise wages and pay unanticipated bonuses. Head of Apple Tim Cooke and one other major, major CEO (can't remember) both recently said their hundred billion dollar plans to invest in the USA are a result of the tax plan. Many companies are bringing money back from overseas and it will now all be taxed. Who knows how many companies also made changes that will go unannounced. Small shops that now can afford to make even one new hire. Lastly, with regards to "83% of stocks are owned by the 1%". What dumb logic. First of all, the correct statistic is that the wealthiest 10%, not 1%, of households own 84% of stocks. Know your facts. More importantly, every American with a 401k, whose retirement is linked to the market, is better off. Half of all households own stock directly or indirectly via mutual funds, trusts, or pension accounts. Americans benefits from a rising stock market. All pensions (teachers, firemen, etc) are dependent on a growing stock market, where do you think their retirement money is invested. 

Even if there is a correction mid year, the market will close on December 31 higher than it opened on Jan 1.

Everyone should take a moment to be happy about what's happening instead of harboring such hate. I hope you aren't letting mass media form your opinions for you, or letting them do all your critical thinking. 

 

EDIT: Want to add that, I believe, if you give people $10mm and tell them to turn it into $10bn, 99% of them lose it all within a year. 

Look, Sam just asked us to cool it so why are you dredging this shit up again on every thread?

In a nutshell, I've been following Trump since the 1980s. I have friends who have been researching him and writing about him since then, too. I have contacts in other places, too, which shall remain nameless. There's a wealth of evidence piled up over the years and I stand by my statements.

But per Sam's wishes, I'm not going to get into it anymore.

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Know your facts. More importantly, every American with a 401k, whose retirement is linked to the market, is better off. Half of all households own stock directly or indirectly via mutual funds, trusts, or pension accounts. Americans benefits from a rising stock market. All pensions (teachers, firemen, etc) are dependent on a growing stock market, where do you think their retirement money is invested. 

Better off than what ?  The 160% I made in the stock market during the 8 years before ?  This 10 Billion figure is actually 2.1 billion.  That inheritance wasn't 10million....it was over 700 million.  Now take that 700 million and increase it by 160%.....you're just shy of his actual wealth.  Where are you getting 50% of households owning stock ?  Nothing but fake facts.

This was not a political post....it was a simple math problem correcting fake variables.

 

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8 hours ago, paplbojo said:

Can you name one example of racism? Sh***ole countries comment was not racist...wasn't racist when Obama called them hellholes either...there are a plethora of factors that contribute to the countries he was referring to as being not nice places to live. Doesn't have to do with the color of people's skin. 

Pretty unsubstantiated to call him unintelligent. He turned $10mm into $10bn. Lost it all and then made it all back and then some. Has had failures in business, for sure, but has been generally very successful, particularly as it pertains to NYC real estate. Took a stab at TV, created a wildly successful show. Took a stab at politics, became President of the USA on his first try. He is brash and, again, has some shortcomings, but he seems to be largely mischaracterized. Watch some interviews of him on YouTube from the 80s and 90s to get a fuller sense of this guy. Maybe in his older age he is a little more crass, but he's usually just calling it as he sees it, which is a breath of fresh air. Point is, largely, that he is not a politician. That is the point. Politicians are scumbags and liars, and can be bought. A private sector guy is exactly what this country needed to try and slow down the leftist onslaught that in the end will take this baby down. Calling him unqualified...I'd rather someone from the business world than someone who has spent their life in politics. The difference between these two types of people can't be overstated. Pre schoolers to grad students. 

I'm not a blind Trump fan, but name calling is petty and makes you sound jealous. Trump is in many ways admirable. Try digging a little deeper than the headlines. Horribly slow start, but these last few months he has pushed out some of the best policy in the last 30 years. 

 

 

To IpMan, more than 250 companies have pledged to raise wages and pay unanticipated bonuses. Head of Apple Tim Cooke and one other major, major CEO (can't remember) both recently said their hundred billion dollar plans to invest in the USA are a result of the tax plan. Many companies are bringing money back from overseas and it will now all be taxed. Who knows how many companies also made changes that will go unannounced. Small shops that now can afford to make even one new hire. Lastly, with regards to "83% of stocks are owned by the 1%". What dumb logic. First of all, the correct statistic is that the wealthiest 10%, not 1%, of households own 84% of stocks. Know your facts. More importantly, every American with a 401k, whose retirement is linked to the market, is better off. Half of all households own stock directly or indirectly via mutual funds, trusts, or pension accounts. Americans benefits from a rising stock market. All pensions (teachers, firemen, etc) are dependent on a growing stock market, where do you think their retirement money is invested. 

Even if there is a correction mid year, the market will close on December 31 higher than it opened on Jan 1.

Everyone should take a moment to be happy about what's happening instead of harboring such hate. I hope you aren't letting mass media form your opinions for you, or letting them do all your critical thinking. 

 

EDIT: Want to add that, I believe, if you give people $10mm and tell them to turn it into $10bn, 99% of them lose it all within a year. 

Sorry did I miss something? What exactly does this have to do with Marijuana Legalisation?

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5 hours ago, Strider said:

Look, Sam just asked us to cool it so why are you dredging this shit up again on every thread?

In a nutshell, I've been following Trump since the 1980s. I have friends who have been researching him and writing about him since then, too. I have contacts in other places, too, which shall remain nameless. There's a wealth of evidence piled up over the years and I stand by my statements.

But per Sam's wishes, I'm not going to get into it anymore.

I am going through all these threads for the first time. Only ever lived in Led Zep Live before lol. I made one other extremely brief post in the midst of a conversation about this topic. Wouldn't characterize that as doing it on every thread. I thought it would be fine here in the Ramble On section. I am happy to take this convo to another thread or cease it entirely if that's the wish of the board admin, but all sides should be able to speak once a topic comes up.

5 hours ago, Bong-Man said:

Better off than what ?  The 160% I made in the stock market during the 8 years before ?  This 10 Billion figure is actually 2.1 billion.  That inheritance wasn't 10million....it was over 700 million.  Now take that 700 million and increase it by 160%.....you're just shy of his actual wealth.  Where are you getting 50% of households owning stock ?  Nothing but fake facts.

This was not a political post....it was a simple math problem correcting fake variables.

 

Are they fake facts because they burst the bubble you live in? Or fake because you've never heard of them and don't read and research? I've seen that statistic many, many times. Here is one study conducted by Gallup, perhaps the most respected name in the stats/polling business, which has the number up at 55% back in 2015. But maybe you know something we don't...

http://news.gallup.com/poll/182816/little-change-percentage-americans-invested-market.aspx

$700mm???? Are you nuts? His father's firm/estate was never worth anywhere near that. At its highest it had been valued at $200mm, which divided up between his children would mean a $40mm inheritance. But I was not talking about the inheritance. I was talking about a $10mm loan his father gave to Trump. The inheritance would not have been until 1999, long after which Trump had done what he did. Do a little research...

You've embarrassed yourself. 

EDIT: Lol just seeing that your name is "Bong-Man". Maybe I should've taken it a little easier...still not ok to spew bs in a public forum...gotta know the facts...enjoy your day...maaaan...

FWIW I am in favor of marijuana legalization. I don't think it's the govts right to say it can't be done in the privacy of a home. Also insane how many people go to jail for it. 

1 hour ago, chillumpuffer said:

Sorry did I miss something? What exactly does this have to do with Marijuana Legalisation?

Nothing. I wanted to respond to two posts about the President and the economy, because I think it's right to see both sides of things (as it pertains to the Pres... as it pertains to the economy it's more simply the correct side of things). 

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