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European Tour 1973

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It's not that slippery a slope. I mean, as early as 1972 they were already composing stuff like Rain Song, No Quarter, and The Song Remains the Same. So I'm not buying the line that the drugs and turmoil were needed to come up with Kashmir or In the Light. Page and Plant had already been to Bombay and travelled afar, so their interest in North African and Middle Eastern music was known. Plant's accident in Greece was nearly fatal. No song or album is worth death. For all we know, Presence might have been a better album had there been NO accident.

All I was saying in the first place was imagine the 1977 tour with the fast-and-fluid Jimmy of March 1973...picture how amazing Achilles Last Stand would sound.

Back on the subject of the European Tour of 1973, is Hamburg the consensus favourite?

I, myself, prefer Offenburg a tad more, even though it's lacking Dancing Days. Jimmy's guitar sounds razor sharp, and I like the atmosphere you get with the audience tape, which is a little rough at the start but clears up once Over the Hills and Far Away begins.

I have always felt there has to be a Soundboard of Offenburg out there...if not the whole show, then the same Dazed, Stairway, WLL, and Heartbreaker segment that showed up on the Soundboard Platter release. I mean, if Essen and Hamburg Soundboards exist, why not Offenburg?

My top 3 European '73 shows:

1. Offenburg

2. Hamburg

3. Vienna

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Quote: "I, myself, prefer Offenburg a tad more, even though it's lacking Dancing Days. Jimmy's guitar sounds razor sharp, and I like the atmosphere you get with the audience tape, which is a little rough at the start but clears up once Over the Hills and Far Away begins."

Totally agree with that opinion ... and regard it as one of their best performances ever, because Jimmy`s playing that evening was not from this world

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It's not that slippery a slope. I mean, as early as 1972 they were already composing stuff like Rain Song, No Quarter, and The Song Remains the Same. So I'm not buying the line that the drugs and turmoil were needed to come up with Kashmir or In the Light. Page and Plant had already been to Bombay and travelled afar, so their interest in North African and Middle Eastern music was known. Plant's accident in Greece was nearly fatal. No song or album is worth death. For all we know, Presence might have been a better album had there been NO accident.

All I was saying in the first place was imagine the 1977 tour with the fast-and-fluid Jimmy of March 1973...picture how amazing Achilles Last Stand would sound.

It's an incredibly slippery slope...and, like I said, totally a pipe-dream. Drugs and turmoil -- including the near-fatal accident that you mentioned -- cannot be ruled out as having played a huge part in the development of the band's creativity and their performances. You can't say that Presence might have been "better" if not for the accident -- it's far more likely that the album wouldn't exist at all.

Too many factors would have, historically, to have been eliminated in order for Jimmy to be preserved in a 1973 state, in terms of his performance.

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Which version of Offenburg is the one to get?

The one I have apparently is one that doesn't exist, as I can't find it listed anywhere...not even on ZeppelinArt.com. It's a CD-R and the cover says "Offenbach Daze". It's an audience tape a little over two hours.

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Which version of Offenburg is the one to get?

Try "Live In Offenburg - The Eddie Edwards Mix" pulled together from three different audience-sources ...

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Been listening to Vienna this week and I forgot how much it smokes. Dazed and WLL/Heartbreaker are esp outstanding. It's a great full gig too for SQ with an AUD/SBD merge.

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2 hours ago, johnlennon696 said:

Been listening to Vienna this week and I forgot how much it smokes. Dazed and WLL/Heartbreaker are esp outstanding. It's a great full gig too for SQ with an AUD/SBD merge.

Agreed, Vienna sometimes gets overlooked because of all the other monster shows from this tour, but it's a killer.  The guitar-drum interplay on STH is particularly amazing, shows just how important Bonham was to the band.

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2 hours ago, johnlennon696 said:

Been listening to Vienna this week and I forgot how much it smokes. Dazed and WLL/Heartbreaker are esp outstanding. It's a great full gig too for SQ with an AUD/SBD merge.

That version of Dazed is my all time favorite. Just explosive from beginning to end. Page and Bonham both killing it. And in excellent sound quality to boot!

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I'm listening to Munich and the show is a killer!! Probably the best tour the boys ever embarked on. .

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12 minutes ago, Bozoso73 said:

I'm listening to Munich and the show is a killer!! Probably the best tour the boys ever embarked on. .

Yea that's the next one I plan on listening to next. That's a VG AUD tape too IIRC.

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After listening to Offenberg today, one thing is for sure: PAGE IS LIKE A MAN POSSESSED. Any tape you wish to show people about how great he could be this would be right up there.

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