Mosszep Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Only my second post. as an older guy and huge Zep fan. Brilliant memories of seeing them at Manchester Uni, Earls Court and Knebworth, My view is the O2 concert was a celebration, but real fans, young and old, did not get much of a chance and too many celebrities attended. A one off Knebworth/Hyde Park/Wembey gig would be a sell out, but a final thank you to the real fans. It needs the three members to agree and will probably never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, Mosszep said: Only my second post. as an older guy and huge Zep fan. Brilliant memories of seeing them at Manchester Uni, Earls Court and Knebworth, My view is the O2 concert was a celebration, but real fans, young and old, did not get much of a chance and too many celebrities attended. A one off Knebworth/Hyde Park/Wembey gig would be a sell out, but a final thank you to the real fans. It needs the three members to agree and will probably never happen. Thanks to fans, for what ? now don't be silly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosszep Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 You might have missed my point. I deliberately mentioned a large arena for a Final Farewell concert, which would allow young, middle-aged and old to attend ! Black Sabbath, AC/DC have recognized the fans in this sense. The Thank You is a one off for all the LPs,CDs, merchandise, which all the fans bought. RP, JP and JPJ do not owe it to the fans, but, would a Farewell gesture be a better wording ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I reckon the fans should do a one off gig to say thanks to the three remaining members for all their great music, I'll play the castanets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Mosszep said: Only my second post. as an older guy and huge Zep fan. Brilliant memories of seeing them at Manchester Uni, Earls Court and Knebworth, My view is the O2 concert was a celebration, but real fans, young and old, did not get much of a chance and too many celebrities attended. A one off Knebworth/Hyde Park/Wembey gig would be a sell out, but a final thank you to the real fans. It needs the three members to agree and will probably never happen. Great show at Manchester Uni was it ?? Did you miss the Hardrock shows? I think the dude who owns Knebworth would never allow them back on his land again The O2 show was always going to be full of celebs. Naomi Campbell !! For fucks sake How is things over the hill in Prestbury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Mosszep said: You might have missed my point. I deliberately mentioned a large arena for a Final Farewell concert, which would allow young, middle-aged and old to attend ! Black Sabbath, AC/DC have recognized the fans in this sense. The Thank You is a one off for all the LPs,CDs, merchandise, which all the fans bought. RP, JP and JPJ do not owe it to the fans, but, would a Farewell gesture be a better wording ? Farewell gesture ? But where would this large arena "gesture" be held UK, Europe, USA ? Mate, it's a nice pipe dream but it's never going to happen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsj Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 you do realise they split up 37 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryder1978 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 ....yea, there were celebrities ( I saw Brian May and Marilyn Manson there) and business execs that were at the O2 to be part of the scene, but everyone I met were die hard fans. You don't camp out in line for three days if you are just a celebrity looking for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, Stryder1978 said: ....yea, there were celebrities ( I saw Brian May and Marilyn Manson there) and business execs that were at the O2 to be part of the scene, but everyone I met were die hard fans. You don't camp out in line for three days if you are just a celebrity looking for attention. The point I think he was making was the it was supposed to be a lottery who got the tickets. Quite how the celebs got tickets and not the die hard fans really pisses me off. And why did you camp out in line for 3 days if you had a ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryder1978 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, chillumpuffer said: The point I think he was making was the it was supposed to be a lottery who got the tickets. Quite how the celebs got tickets and not the die hard fans really pisses me off. And why did you camp out in line for 3 days if you had a ticket? The majority of the tickets (18,000 I believe) went into the lottery system. Another 8,000 were reserved for the elite. I wasn't one of the "three dayers" just a "one dayer". 5,000 of the tickets were "standing" tickets, which meant general admission on the floor of the O2. I was number 47 in line when they opened the gate and managed to get up front against the barricade in between Page and Plant for the show. I had a better "seat" than 99% of all the celebs that were there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillumpuffer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, Stryder1978 said: The majority of the tickets (18,000 I believe) went into the lottery system. Another 8,000 were reserved for the elite. I wasn't one of the "three dayers" just a "one dayer". 5,000 of the tickets were "standing" tickets, which meant general admission on the floor of the O2. I was number 47 in line when they opened the gate and managed to get up front against the barricade in between Page and Plant for the show. I had a better "seat" than 99% of all the celebs that were there! I didn't realise that. You mean 5000 general admission tickets were standing downstairs and you could get in just by queuing? I possibly would have gone down south if I knew that. errrr on second thoughts, nah not even that would get me to go down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryder1978 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 You are correct - 5,000 standing "first come, first in the gate" tickets. It was like the concerts in the good 'ol days.....everyone was polite, sharing stories, food and drink while waiting in line. They even saved your spot if you had to go to the loo! Security was pretty tight, so you need the people around you to vouch that you weren't cutting in line when you came back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoKodela Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Oh c'mon man, it's music that needs really a lot of energy, technicality and most importantly their drummer had a very unique approach! And Led Zeppelin will never say farewell, keep listening and understand it's not about saying goodbye, it's about staying in your company while doing something new and with new unique musicians. They said thank you many times while they were still playing, but fans should be thanking for the music because should you be really that thankful for someone liking your music? You made it and someone likes it, maybe if no one ever liked it then yeah, but otherwise people should thank you a lot more instead of demanding to bring back something unique from your youth, that needs unique band members that died and the whole thing was based on moving forward anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoKodela Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 And even with everything wrong about it, it would have to be a tour to really make that much of an attendance difference and Plant won't do that! I think a ballot was a very fair thing for a one off show and celebrities attending didn't change that a lot. It would be better if only 'real' fans could enter the ballot, but I don't know how exactly you would prove that! At least nobody would think For your life was a new song, but surprises are always good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenyearsgone21 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, SamoKodela said: And even with everything wrong about it, it would have to be a tour to really make that much of an attendance difference and Plant won't do that! I think a ballot was a very fair thing for a one off show and celebrities attending didn't change that a lot. It would be better if only 'real' fans could enter the ballot, but I don't know how exactly you would prove that! At least nobody would think For your life was a new song, but surprises are always good! What defines a "real fan"? People wanted to go for a variety of reasons and there's no right one. It was a lottery system which is randomly picked so no bias there. As for celebrities, again why aren't they entitled to go? How do you know they don't like Zep? Just because Naomi Campbell is a model and not a rocker means she doesn't like rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoKodela Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, tenyearsgone21 said: What defines a "real fan"? People wanted to go for a variety of reasons and there's no right one. It was a lottery system which is randomly picked so no bias there. As for celebrities, again why aren't they entitled to go? How do you know they don't like Zep? Just because Naomi Campbell is a model and not a rocker means she doesn't like rock? Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 3 hours ago, tenyearsgone21 said: What defines a "real fan"? People wanted to go for a variety of reasons and there's no right one. It was a lottery system which is randomly picked so no bias there. As for celebrities, again why aren't they entitled to go? How do you know they don't like Zep? Just because Naomi Campbell is a model and not a rocker means she doesn't like rock? Sure celebrities are entitled as much as anyone else, however, if they wanted to go they should have put in for the lottery like everyone else. Just because one is a celebrity should not equate to special consideration. Especially 8,000? I never knew it was that many. WTF??? I can see maybe 100 of the bands friends, family, and "special celebrities" such as other musicians but 8 friggin k? Sorry, but that is serious bullshit right there, bullshit which is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, IpMan said: Sure celebrities are entitled as much as anyone else, however, if they wanted to go they should have put in for the lottery like everyone else. Just because one is a celebrity should not equate to special consideration. Especially 8,000? I never knew it was that many. WTF??? I can see maybe 100 of the bands friends, family, and "special celebrities" such as other musicians but 8 friggin k? Sorry, but that is serious bullshit right there, bullshit which is inexcusable. Agree. Even 1000 'reserved for mates/family/whoever' tickets would be at the top end of reasonable. 8000 is just rubbish. And I agree the idea of a final "thank you" concert as a concept does not work. Would need to be a "thank you" tour - and that will not happen, so this thread topic doesn't really go anywhere. When Jimmy is touring with his new material next year, I'll be sure to attend so I can thank him! *runs and hides from the angry reply onslaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, IpMan said: Sure celebrities are entitled as much as anyone else, however, if they wanted to go they should have put in for the lottery like everyone else. Just because one is a celebrity should not equate to special consideration. Especially 8,000? I never knew it was that many. WTF??? I can see maybe 100 of the bands friends, family, and "special celebrities" such as other musicians but 8 friggin k? Sorry, but that is serious bullshit right there, bullshit which is inexcusable. Totally agree IPMAN it’s fucked! Same the world over though. Try being a footie fan in England when your team makes the final. The allocations are disgraceful to the competing teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenyearsgone21 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 hour ago, IpMan said: Sure celebrities are entitled as much as anyone else, however, if they wanted to go they should have put in for the lottery like everyone else. Just because one is a celebrity should not equate to special consideration. Especially 8,000? I never knew it was that many. WTF??? I can see maybe 100 of the bands friends, family, and "special celebrities" such as other musicians but 8 friggin k? Sorry, but that is serious bullshit right there, bullshit which is inexcusable. There weren't 8000 celebrities there. All things considered, I don't think there were that many and who's to say that the band or others given tickets didn't give them to those people? Concerts always have a set number of tickets to comp for the band, record company, venue etc. That is nothing new. Also, who said 8000 tickets were comped? I've never heard that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozoso73 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I think a O2 date, a MSG date and a Forum date could have worked. . sounds plausible to me. . I realize it opens up all kinds of hassles since Percy wanted to move forward but it could have been done. . after all it was the U.S. they conquered. . Im 8000 miles from London and really had no chance to get a ticket. . Selfishly, it would have been nice to have an American show. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithril46 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 The main premise, to have one concert now, even Jimmy wouldn't do it. Same as the 07'. Much rehearsal, anticipation, do a good gig, then nothing. Jimmy tore his hair out once about this, no go unless it's a full tour. Too many hard feelings between Jimmy and Robert now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosszep Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Having started the post, at least it inspired debate. There has to be the drive and determination from Jimmy and Robert, which probably does not exist to do 1, 2 or 3 concerts to mark the 50th Anniversary. Maybe it is best but disappointing to just remember. Ironically, as an older guy, but young at heart, I feel for the younger fans who never enjoyed the sheer excitement of a live concert. As the posts explain, demand to attend would never be met, same as with the O2 ! A conundrum?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolo1974 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 19 hours ago, chillumpuffer said: I didn't realise that. You mean 5000 general admission tickets were standing downstairs and you could get in just by queuing? I possibly would have gone down south if I knew that. errrr on second thoughts, nah not even that would get me to go down there Haha love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Mosszep said: Having started the post, at least it inspired debate. There has to be the drive and determination from Jimmy and Robert, which probably does not exist to do 1, 2 or 3 concerts to mark the 50th Anniversary. Maybe it is best but disappointing to just remember. Ironically, as an older guy, but young at heart, I feel for the younger fans who never enjoyed the sheer excitement of a live concert. As the posts explain, demand to attend would never be met, same as with the O2 ! A conundrum?? They won't be doing a farewell concert/tour so there is no conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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