Autumn Moon Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 14.1.2018 at 10:28 AM, the-ocean87 said: Nice recording, but the delay on Plant's vocals sucks. Well, don`t you worry about that, Plant used that excessive reverb effect for Black Dog only (plus in the Whole Lotta Love freak part), every other song will be fine. I am a little bit worried about the heavy noise reduction. EV should not cut the heights that strong- the recording would surely benefit from more cymbals, a biting guitarsound & an overall more lively sound. If they are only halfway smart, they will release 928 in the summer of the 50 anniversary, that would be a worthy celebration. With some great officially anniversary releases on the horizon, EV needs a heavy caliber like 928 as counterweight, precious few would dig just another of these 75 boards....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porgie66 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Autumn Moon said: Well, don`t you worry about that, Plant used that excessive reverb effect for Black Dog only (plus in the Whole Lotta Love freak part), every other song will be fine. I am a little bit worried about the heavy noise reduction. EV should not cut the heights that strong- the recording would surely benefit from more cymbals, a biting guitarsound & an overall more lively sound. If they are only halfway smart, they will release 928 in the summer of the 50 anniversary, that would be a worthy celebration. With some great officially anniversary releases on the horizon, EV needs a heavy caliber like 928 as counterweight, precious few would dig just another of these 75 boards....... Yes, totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Avenger Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 13/01/2018 at 4:08 PM, SteveAJones said: Hang on a sec, are you saying you think this is not a SBD, but a multitrack? If true, that would go a long way to explaining why the rest has never appeared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Most likely osaka black dog is just a board but it just sounds so much better then the other 71 and 1973 boards which all have a similar sound. Could be an unpolished very quick rough multi track mixdown. Multitracks in their raw forum can be dry and quite dull but not as dull as a typical boardvtype and black dog is alot less dry then the other 3 71 boards. But that could be down to the festival hall being a smaller venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The 1973 boards recorded in small venues on the u.k and Europe tours did have alot more clarity than the u.s 73 boards. Stoke u.k is a great sounding board even though it's too life on Jones bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I could be wrong but don t multitrack tapes need at least rough 2 track mixdown to actually be listened too I don't think you can just put a multitrack reel on a machine press play and listen to the whole band. Maybe Somebody with recording and studio knowledge could clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reids Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 4:24 PM, Adam Ryan watson said: Kevin shirleys rough mixdown tapes for Southampton and royal albert hall were leaked to evsd and released. I wonder if black dog from osaka is from a shirley mixdown or even Someone else's mixdown it sounds alot better and different from the other 71 boards. The other 71 boards are like the 73 boards muffled with pages guitar quite low in the mix which is a typical foh mix. Black dog has way more clarity with pages guitar much more prominent and all band members in perfect balance. It sounds better than even the best 75 boards. Black dog is not near as dry as a typical zeppelin s.b. multitrack mixdown tapes can have soundboard like dryness if it's a quick mixdown with out any processing and if the crowd mics and ambient Mic tracks are not mixed in When I spoke with KS on Sirius XM last fall, JP was upset with him as the tapes were leaked (and he claims that he didn’t do that). That could explain why JP and KS haven’t spoken in 10 years. R😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Probably one of shirleys assistants that worked with him on dvd and hwww. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysquid Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Adam Ryan watson said: Most likely osaka black dog is just a board but it just sounds so much better then the other 71 and 1973 boards which all have a similar sound. Could be an unpolished very quick rough multi track mixdown. Multitracks in their raw forum can be dry and quite dull but not as dull as a typical boardvtype and black dog is alot less dry then the other 3 71 boards. But that could be down to the festival hall being a smaller venue. If it was a multitrack I’d be surprised if they had printed the echo. You’d imagine they’d want to keep the vocal dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I have read that there were some issues with how the japan shows were recorded and the equipment was used. Peter Grant said they did not have a decent multi track machine to use so they recorded the shows on a six track solid state recording board at that point solid state recording gear was a newer thing and the early stuff was not that great. Tube boards were still the standard at that point. Also the Japanese audio engineers from Atlantic's Japanese division supposedly didn't record the shows very well and it's most likely they were just not used to recording live rock as loud as zeppelin. 6 tracks if that's true does not give you much to work with a mixdown. But all of that could be smoke and mirrors by page and grant to keep the record company from pestering jimmy about those tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Didn't Kevin shirley say the hardest stuff on the DVD to make sound good was royal albert hall because he only had 6 tracks to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I remember reading a quote by plant about the 1971 japan tapes where he said everyone was disappointed with the sound quality and he said we have made better sounding recordings with an old revox recorder which is what they used to record the board tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 With today’s technology sonic miracles can be performed. 6 tracks? Revolver by the Beatles was done on 4! japan can be salvaged into a releasable show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Adam Ryan watson said: I remember reading a quote by plant about the 1971 japan tapes where he said everyone was disappointed with the sound quality and he said we have made better sounding recordings with an old revox recorder which is what they used to record the board tapes. Yes, you are correct that in the past the band members and Peter Grant have made various comments all centering on the theme that the Japan tapes came out poorly. However, the leaked "Black Dog" from Sep 28 '71 Osaka that came out in 2016 is in my view (and the view of some others) very possibly a rough multitrack mixdown, and while it doesn't have official-release sound quality "sheen" or polish to it, to my ears it sounds better than any regular old soundboard I've heard from 1971. So I think there's potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeholder Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yeah, the 9-28 Black Dog does sound very good. It's the 9-29 recording that was botched, with the drums and vocals going on one track, etc. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I strongly believe osaka black dog could be from a a mixdown tape as well and if so could be made to sound great with today's technology. To me it doesn't really sound like the other 71 boards or any zeppelin board for that matter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I still wonder if zep embellished the how bad the tapes sounded to throw the record company off. The story of them being wiped was obviously not true. Since the record company paid for the recording unlike the Cali 72 tapes and earls court which the band likely paid for on their own. Maybe the record company could have asked for the tapes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think with 929 the engineer tried to do an on the fly mixdown on a split feed but was being watched like a hawk be zep road crew. So he could not take the time to better balance the mixdown. The actual multis would not sound like that with a proper mixdown. I really hope we get a japan release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The time for page to do a japan release is now before evsd releases all of 928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It's been said the the 2 tokyo shows were recorded as well page referenced recording the 924 show with on this day. But only the 2 osaka shows seem to have the numerous extra mics. Not that it could not be done without the extra mics but extra mics was how zep wanted done it seems. Perhaps it was just the tokyo shows that turned out bad and made changes to the recording set up for osaka. Maybe they wiped the tokyo tapes and kept the osaka shows because the turned out decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticks of Fire Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 hours ago, badgeholder said: Yeah, the 9-28 Black Dog does sound very good. It's the 9-29 recording that was botched, with the drums and vocals going on one track, etc. Right? This was the best explaination for the botched quality on the 9/29 multitracks. No one will ever know for sure unless the masters are played back and we could hear a remix of the tapes or each individual track.... The 9/28 gives up hope. And wasn’t more of this...but only bits and pieces during cuts on the audience tape...used on a bootleg of the 9/28 show about 5 years ago?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, badgeholder said: Yeah, the 9-28 Black Dog does sound very good. It's the 9-29 recording that was botched, with the drums and vocals going on one track, etc. Right? Oh man, don't tell me that. The 9.29 is the one I most hope eventually gets released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Ryan watson Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Roberts vocals and the drums are most likely on separate tracks on the actual multitracks. One of the recording engineers said the made the 929 mixdown tape by splitting all the feeds sending one set of feeds to the multi track recorder and giving the other set of feeds a crude 2 track mixdown which was recorded to a separate tape independent of the multitrack tapes and said he couldn't fix the mix on that type without calling attention from zeppelin s crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticks of Fire Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Adam Ryan watson said: Roberts vocals and the drums are most likely on separate tracks on the actual multitracks. One of the recording engineers said the made the 929 mixdown tape by splitting all the feeds sending one set of feeds to the multi track recorder and giving the other set of feeds a crude 2 track mixdown which was recorded to a separate tape independent of the multitrack tapes and said he couldn't fix the mix on that type without calling attention from zeppelin s crew. Where and when was this said. I surely would love to see the interview. That would be good info if it could be confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Knebs Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 12/28/2017 at 11:18 PM, The Rover said: ...IF, the EC "Kashmir" can be made to sound as good and dynamic as the O2 recording... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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