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Song Remains the Same Re-Issue - No Quarter

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5 hours ago, Brigante said:

The No Quarter edit really does pull you out of the song with a jolt and a lurch - it's a pretty cackhanded cut, I've got to say.
You really do need the original - and, like Walter said, that way you'd also have the old solo at the end of Celebration Day, too. 
 

Absolutely. You also need the original for the better edit of WLL. This new release will pretty much be worthless unless it's a remaster of the original soundtrack album, with all of the extra songs that weren't on the original.

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5 hours ago, porgie66 said:

Absolutely. You also need the original for the better edit of WLL. This new release will pretty much be worthless unless it's a remaster of the original soundtrack album, with all of the extra songs that weren't on the original.

+1...We are talking to YOU Jimmy!!!

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Just listened to the old vinyl this morning and compared the Celebration Day. Why did they switch out the vocals? The original had Plant almost matching the studio vocals. Plus they just had more character. The remaster sounds like he came into the studio and redubbed the whole thing against his will.

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I think its fair to say that instead of putting right all the mistakes and differences between the film and audio from the original release, the new version just muddied the waters even further. obviously getting the extra tracks was fantastic, but then they added the horrendous edits

its not just that the new edits have omitted some cracking bits, NQ the funky section of WLL, its that the edits are so badly done. the worst edits I've ever heard on ANY album in 45 years of buying albums. that's not what I would expect from Zeppelin. newcomers to the band who bought the new version must wonder what all the fuss about the greatness of the band was all about. if id heard that album for the first time id think Page had cloth ears

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I know the bad editing for this has been beat to death, but every time I try to listen to the remaster I find something that sounds ridiculous, like at 1:06-1:22 on the Rock And Roll vocals. At 1:10 Plant suddenly jumps up to high pitch on "Light", then back down at 1:18. How can a professional studio engineer not notice how off this sounds? Alright, I'll stop beating the horse.

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1 hour ago, gibsonfan159 said:

I know the bad editing for this has been beat to death, but every time I try to listen to the remaster I find something that sounds ridiculous, like at 1:06-1:22 on the Rock And Roll vocals. At 1:10 Plant suddenly jumps up to high pitch on "Light", then back down at 1:18. How can a professional studio engineer not notice how off this sounds? Alright, I'll stop beating the horse.

Perhaps the studio engineer was taking marching orders from the powers that be???

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On 7/14/2018 at 3:27 PM, Zeppered said:

My problem lies with the deletion of the original album availability. Not with the new content.

IMO, those should be presented as bonus tracks.

Will future generations never know of the original tracks?

 

The first version of the soundtrack i bought was the 2007 one. (im born in 95 and i think i bought it in 07-09 TSRTS was the last one i didint have in my collection)

Around 2011-2012 i found out from wikipedia that the old version of the soundtrack had different edits to songs, so i went and bought the old version, which is still available btw. 

I grew to love the 2007 version of No Quarter more probably cause thats the version i first heard.

The 1976 one is also amazing but the production is bothering me, especially how the drums are mixed, dosent work with headphones at all.

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On ‎8‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 3:08 PM, rebeldhipi said:

The first version of the soundtrack i bought was the 2007 one. (im born in 95 and i think i bought it in 07-09 TSRTS was the last one i didint have in my collection)

Around 2011-2012 i found out from wikipedia that the old version of the soundtrack had different edits to songs, so i went and bought the old version, which is still available btw. 

I grew to love the 2007 version of No Quarter more probably cause thats the version i first heard.

The 1976 one is also amazing but the production is bothering me, especially how the drums are mixed, dosent work with headphones at all.

 

Cool. 

By available I assume you mean through old stock/used market. My concern was that the original is no longer in print on any format.

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Some of the great improv in D&C (near the return to the main theme near the end) that was in the movie was not in the original '76 soundtrack.  Their inclusion in the 2007 release alone makes that version competitive with (if not better than) the original IMO.  Plus the inclusion of OTHAFA, SIBLY, etc.  And it's not like NQ really loses any of the essence of the sublime solo.  Count me as favoring '07 over '76 here.

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2 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

  And it's not like NQ really loses any of the essence of the sublime solo. 

I'd have to disagree. The drum and bass build up that Page slowly creeps his way into with the chorded riffs is a vital part of the live representation. I think it's necessary to set the mood and it just sounds unnatural without it, like a CD skipping. Then you have the actual introductory phrase that's always played (even on the studio version) that gets cut. Without that the solo is never properly introduced.

I can understand that this was never actually meant to be a live album, but a soundtrack. But then you have the bonus songs, so that whole statement goes out the window.

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19 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

I'd have to disagree. The drum and bass build up that Page slowly creeps his way into with the chorded riffs is a vital part of the live representation. I think it's necessary to set the mood and it just sounds unnatural without it, like a CD skipping. Then you have the actual introductory phrase that's always played (even on the studio version) that gets cut. Without that the solo is never properly introduced.

I can understand that this was never actually meant to be a live album, but a soundtrack. But then you have the bonus songs, so that whole statement goes out the window.

Fair point, I'd overlooked the drum intro.

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What I find unfortunate is that it seems very apparent that Plant and Jones likely beyond those first box sets and remasters

(early 90's) have given Jimmy a free hand in almost all future releases. I can't Imagine JPJ, steady and mellow as he is,accepting those almost criminal cuts in NQ . And Plant may have heard some of those lopsided changes to his voice in

the movie/soundtrack, but I'm not sure Robert feels it's worthwhile to go wrestle with Jimmy . Zep has become a gigantic

pyramid in music, but especially since that 2007 TSRTS release, Jimmy has cheapened the Zep Gold Standard, where every

release really meant something and was very worthwhile.

 

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