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ISO: JPJ w/Herman's Hermits (1967)

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I seem to recall John mentioning this tour. He had worked with them of course on the commercially successfully "Mrs Brown You've Got a Lovely Daughter" album in 1968. It seems to me the story went that by 1967 he'd become fed up with sessions and took

them up on their offer to tag along with them on their tour of Germany. He was part

of their entourage. I don't believe he ever jammed with them but may have.

I'm seeking confirmation from JPJ, Herman's Hermits or anyone who may know if he did indeed join them on a tour of Germany in 1967. Any tour dates/venues also welcomed.

Edit: Release date for the album corrected.

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Steve,

The "Mrs. Brown" album (and movie) was actually 1968, at the tail end of JPJ's involvement with HH.

It was a strange decision to make a movie based on a 3-year-old song, maybe even a career-ending mistake. But perhaps their management figured that the only way a "retro" group could remain popular was by staying retro?

You might try emailing Peter Noone or Barry Whitwham at their respective websites? They've been known to respond to fans...

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You might try emailing Peter Noone or Barry Whitwham at their respective websites? They've been known to respond to fans...

I acknowledge only the single predates this alleged tour of Germany and not the album.

I shall try the websites you mentioned. This has been on my unresolved list for almost

ten years! Thanks, Swandown!

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Word has been received John Paul Jones did in fact perform with Herman's Hermits in Germany on the "Yardley Tour", playing hammond organ for the string arrangements

he did for those songs. He recalls playing in Hamburg, but wasn't sure about any other dates.

Regarding the church depicted in his fantasy segment in The Song Remains the Same,

he recalls it being in Withyham, East Sussex -- probably St. Michael's.

I'll continue researching that '67 tour of Germany and look forward to visiting East Sussex.

Pehaps there are German forum members here who can contribute additional findings.

My personal thanks and gratitude to the one who put this inquiry forward. Again, I greatly

appreciate it!

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Good detective work there Steve.

My first "rock crush" was Herman. That blue eye thing.

They were the first pro band I saw, straight out of 6th grade, The Who opened for them. :huh:

I was in the front row center. Got Moons drumstick!

After I saw Daltrey... I had second thoughts about Herman. :shifty: Had never seen a guy wiggle dangly things from his hips!

I wish Jonsey had been there. This was at The Lagoon Patio Gardens, where alot of early rockers played. SLC, UT.

Must have been 68...hmmm

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I wish Jonsey had been there. This was at The Lagoon Patio Gardens, where alot of early rockers played. SLC, UT. Must have been 68...hmmm

No, as I understand it he only accompanied them to Germany in 1967.

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Would a German forum member kindly translate:

Muziek Express Feb 13th 1967

Liebe mp-Freunde! Ich könnte jubeln vor Freude. Ihr alle habt mich zum Gewinner des Goldenen Pfeils der MUSIK PARADE erkoren ...! Am Liebsten möchte ich jedem einzelnen persönlich Dankeschön sagen. Da das nicht geht, sag ich's hier. Ich bin wahnsinnig stolz auf diese Auszeichnung.

Besonders freue ich mich, dass Ihr den BEAT-CLUB zu "Eurer" Sendung gemacht habt. Und ich verspreche Euch": Es wird noch wilder, noch turbulenter, noch heisser zugehen. Ihr sollt Euren Spass haben ...!

Es ist geschafft, Freunde. Unseren nächsten BEAT-CLUB können wir in unserem neuen Studio ablaufen lassen. Falls alles rechtzeitig bis zum 25. Februar fertig wird. Drückt uns kräftig die Daumen. Das steht fest: Herman's Hermits und die mp-pfeilgeehrten Lords werden bei der Einweihungsfeier dabei sein. Verhandlungen mit anderen Stars laufen noch.

Auf jeden Fall wird's noch einige. Überraschungen geben. Übrigens: Alle, die die Sendung nicht sehen können, sollen trotzdem auf ihre Kosten kommen. Am nächsten Abend treten alle Mitwirkenden noch einmal in einer Grossveranstaltung in der Bremer Stadthalle auf. In einem Mammut-Monster-BEAT-CLUB ...!

Ja, und dann gehen wir wieder auf Reisen. Nach London. In den berühmten Marquee Club. Dort werden wir den nächsten BEAT-CLUB aufnehmen. Sendetermin: 11. März in Eurer Bude.

Inzwischen das Beste für Euch alle. Bis bald.

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UPDATE:

“John Paul Jones joined the band for one tour in Europe, but Herman’s Hermits didn’t think much of him. I was the only fan of his at the time. I think they wanted to keep more money for themselves.”

-- Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits

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Well, at long last I recently took the opportunity to contact Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits and today I received his reply:

Hello Steve,

How great that you chronicle my favorite modern musician and in fact my hero John. I have always thought he was a gent and the quiet genius who never got the public attention but that every musician "knew" was brilliant. I tried to get him to join us but I think plant and page needed him more than the hermits as we were sort of losing our group consciousness and the future of music did not begin with the letter H. Send me some questions and I will try my best.

I am now compiling a list of questions pertaining to JPJ's mid-60's association with Herman's Hermits - to include the '67 German Tour - for Peter's consideration.

:thumbsup:

Catch Peter Noone on his current North American tour now! Complete details at his official website: http://peternoone.com/

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Update:

It is now believed JPJ may have accompanied Herman's Hermits on additional dates played outside Germany during the Yardley tour...awaiting confirmation from Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits. Details on two German dates have been confirmed:

:superman:

April 1968

Yardley’s “The London Look” Promotion Continental Tour:

Herman’s Hermits, Graham Bonney, The Robb Storme Group, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich

Sun 21/04/68 Yardley’s “The London Look” European Tour: Hamburg, Germany

Fri 26/04/68 Yardley’s “The London Look” European Tour: Sportpalast, Berlin, Germany

(USA) Billboard April 13, 1968 page 52:

Yardley’s Backs Pop Show By Leading British Artists

London – Yardley’s, the British cosmetics company, is backing a special series of pop shows by leading British acts in a promotion under the banner of “The London Look.”

The new range of Yardley cosmetics called the London Look are to be launched in Europe, and at each show, Yardley’s will give every girl in the audience a sample and a souvenir EP record manufactured by EMI.

The international sales division of EMI will issue in Europe a series of four albums on the Regal label which will be made available through the trade in the territories visited by the shows. The album sleeve will depict Yardley models. A special bus will visit the cities where the shows are staged, and a team of Yardley consultants will give advice on makeup. A “London Look” train with Radio Luxembourg disk jockeys, will run through France.

The shows will feature Herman’s Hermits, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich, the Procol Harum and other British acts. The tour begins April 21 in Hamburg and will then visit Berlin (26) followed by dates in France, Italy, Belgium and Switzerland. On the French dates, Emperor Rosko will introduce the shows.

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"The London Look" was recorded by John Paul Jones and Graham Gouldman without any of the Hermits present. Peter Noone overdubbed his vocals at a later session.

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Update:

It is now believed JPJ may have accompanied Herman's Hermits on additional dates played outside Germany during the Yardley tour...awaiting confirmation from Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits. Details on two German dates have been confirmed:

:superman:

April 1968

Yardley’s “The London Look” Promotion Continental Tour:

Herman’s Hermits, Graham Bonney, The Robb Storme Group, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich

Sun 21/04/68 Yardley’s “The London Look” European Tour: Hamburg, Germany

Fri 26/04/68 Yardley’s “The London Look” European Tour: Sportpalast, Berlin, Germany

(USA) Billboard April 13, 1968 page 52:

Yardley’s Backs Pop Show By Leading British Artists

London – Yardley’s, the British cosmetics company, is backing a special series of pop shows by leading British acts in a promotion under the banner of “The London Look.”

The new range of Yardley cosmetics called the London Look are to be launched in Europe, and at each show, Yardley’s will give every girl in the audience a sample and a souvenir EP record manufactured by EMI.

The international sales division of EMI will issue in Europe a series of four albums on the Regal label which will be made available through the trade in the territories visited by the shows. The album sleeve will depict Yardley models. A special bus will visit the cities where the shows are staged, and a team of Yardley consultants will give advice on makeup. A “London Look” train with Radio Luxembourg disk jockeys, will run through France.

The shows will feature Herman’s Hermits, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich, the Procol Harum and other British acts. The tour begins April 21 in Hamburg and will then visit Berlin (26) followed by dates in France, Italy, Belgium and Switzerland. On the French dates, Emperor Rosko will introduce the shows.

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This from Herman's Hermits vocalist Peter Noone:

From: peter@peternoone.com

Subject: Re: PeterNoone.com Contact submission from Steve A. Jones

Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012

sorry steve, but it's a bit of a blur.

I know we took him on a short tour and tried to con him into joining our band, but we were close to the end of our hectic run and he wisely deferred.....I remember we did a few german dates and he played the `B3 and no milk today was memorabe as he played the string lines he had written for our recording!!!

I think he saw we were sort of fading (musically) and we didn't see much of a future as a band. we were looking at casino and night club dates, and none of us really had any intention of growing musically in the confined space of herman's hermits.

Peter Noone

http://www.peternoone.com/

http://www.hermanshermits.com/

Herman's Hermits Inc

1482 East Valley Road

Santa Barbara Ca 93108

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Chicago Tribune | 1/28/2016
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/lifestyles/ct-ptb-salute-to-60s-st-0129-20160128-story.html

Rubbing shoulders with notables was commonplace for the 68-year-old London resident, who also has a home in Santa Barbara, Calif.

The name of a legendary rock bassist comes up when discussing "No Milk Today," a 1967 Herman's Hermits gem.

"I think it's Herman's Hermits' best record," Noone said. "It's really well recorded. John Paul Jones did the arrangement. Before he was in Led Zeppelin, he worked with Herman's Hermits."

There was an intriguing 24 hours of studio work that involved Jones.

"In the studio that day we did three songs: 'Dandy,' 'No Milk Today' and 'There's a Kind of Hush'; he played bass on all three tracks," Noone said.

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Always great to see further illumination on JPJ's involvement with Herman's Hermits. Posted in another thread is affirmation from JPJ (via Sam) that he does recall performing in Hamburg on the Yardley tour (but no other dates).

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On 3/22/2008 at 3:39 AM, SteveAJones said:

Word has been received John Paul Jones did in fact perform with Herman's Hermits in Germany on the "Yardley Tour", playing hammond organ for the string arrangements he did for those songs. He recalls playing in Hamburg, but wasn't sure about any other dates.

Regarding the church depicted in his fantasy segment in The Song Remains the Same, he recalls it being in Withyham, East Sussex -- probably St. Michael's.

I'll continue researching that '67 tour of Germany and look forward to visiting East Sussex. Pehaps there are German forum members here who can contribute additional findings.

My personal thanks and gratitude to the one who put this inquiry forward. Again, I greatly appreciate it!

Here we are ten years later and I'm preparing for a visit to the UK in two weeks time. So I've been conducting further research on St. Michael and All Angels in Withyham. I am astonished to find there are several Baldwins buried there (possibly John's ancestors?). Not only that, but the large tombstone featured at 2:48 in the first clip below and at 7:31 in the second clip seems to be that of one CHARLES BALDWIN, born circa 1894. Possibly JPJ's Grandfather?

https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemeterylist.php?cemetery=1491&limit=1

https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=195638

1901 Blackham Village Census:

http://www.blackham-village.co.uk/census 1901.html

Woodhams Cottage
George Baldwin Head M 51   M Carter on farm W   Hartfield Sussex
Emma Baldwin Wife M 47   F       Edenbridge Kent
Frederick Baldwin Son U 20   M Carter on farm W   Hever Kent
Ernest Baldwin Son U 15   M Carter on farm W   Withyham Sussex
Lilly Baldwin Dau U 13   F       Withyham Sussex
Emma Baldwin Dau U 9   F       Withyham Sussex
Charles Baldwin Son U 7   M       Withyham Sussex

 

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