TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, SteveAJones said: Although Page usually dances around answering the question directly, there's a mountain of circumstantial evidence. We know he took H. I'm asking how IpMan is so sure of how Jimmy administered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 hours ago, TheStairwayRemainsTheSame said: How do you know how he took it? I've never seen that documented ANYWHERE For one thing, even in the depths of his addiction he wore short sleeve shits on occasion yet no track marks. Of course a person can shoot it elsewhere, most IV addicts use the arms until the veins collapse before moving onto other locations such as between the toes. Then again you are correct, I don't know for sure, maybe he shot it into his dick hole. Also, I heard it mentioned, as Steve said, on a circumstantial basis from several sources. Anyway, that was really not my point, I was just replying to another post about the possible meaning to a particular lyric. My point was Robert takes pride in his use of double meaning and obfuscating in general within his compositions. Robert is on record, most recently in the Dan Rather interview stating such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, IpMan said: For one thing, even in the depths of his addiction he wore short sleeve shits on occasion yet no track marks. Of course a person can shoot it elsewhere, most IV addicts use the arms until the veins collapse before moving onto other locations such as between the toes. Then again you are correct, I don't know for sure, maybe he shot it into his dick hole. Also, I heard it mentioned, as Steve said, on a circumstantial basis from several sources. Anyway, that was really not my point, I was just replying to another post about the possible meaning to a particular lyric. My point was Robert takes pride in his use of double meaning and obfuscating in general within his compositions. Robert is on record, most recently in the Dan Rather interview stating such. I would just like to know what sources state he snorted heroin. After years into extensive search into the man I've never seen a source specifying it was definitely snorted so I'm just trying to see what I've missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindwillie127 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, IpMan said: For one thing, even in the depths of his addiction he wore short sleeve shits on occasion yet no track marks. Of course a person can shoot it elsewhere, most IV addicts use the arms until the veins collapse before moving onto other locations such as between the toes. Then again you are correct, I don't know for sure, maybe he shot it into his dick hole. My guess is that Page was chasing the dragon and doing speed balls...thats what I'd be doing anyways. It should be noted that Plant was a coke addict until the day his son died, and Bonham was probably doing more crazy shit than Page was. Personally, I've never paid much attention to Zeppelin's lyrics because to me it was always about just the unique sound of his voice, his phrasing and delivery and of course that Plant mystique that permeated every Zeppelin album. I don't care about the lyrics to STH, Kashmir, ALS, Carouselambra, or most of their songs to be honest. It just sounds fucking cool! And that, you can't beat. However, when I listen to Steely Dan I'm always wondering what the fuck their songs are about because their lyrics were so fucking amazing. And ya' know what....? they were chasing the dragon too! Time Out of Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyGirl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Well from what we know a syringe is the fastest route to get where you need to be for most heroin addicts, however not every smack abuser goes on to use needles. Like lpMAN said, Page didn't exactly have glaring track marks or bruises on his arms, so smoking or snorting would be the next logical guess. I can't say in stone the method he chose, but Page demonstrated in a handful of interviews even well after he quit -- he used his nasal cavity to get high. I listened a few years back to an audio interview he did in '77 I assume from his hotel room, and although you can't visually see him, you definitely hear the effects on his nasal passageway. You can hear him sniffing about and his nose sounds to be dripping. He also sounds like he's nodding out in the middle of the interview. You need earbuds because the sound quality is very poor due to Page talking so softly. I could be wrong so don't use that as clear indicator. There have been many things written about Page's use of drugs and other activity that was done on the road. It's not a far stretch to think the words "syringe, arm, inject, needle, Jimmy" would have been mentioned in the countless amounts of material written about him. From 1977-1983 it took a toll on his personal appearances, e.g teeth, weight loss, yet nothing ever said about Page's arms looking marked up? Cole in one of his books I think would have said something. As for what the song is about? All the above and none of the above. Too bad Plant wouldn't give a clear cut answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76229 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 To me the song that really is Plant singing about this is Carouselambra, not In the Evening. Plant said "the whole story of the band in its later years is in that song, and I can't even hear the words" (Trampled Underfoot, p. 409). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, 76229 said: To me the song that really is Plant singing about this is Carouselambra, not In the Evening. Plant said "the whole story of the band in its later years is in that song, and I can't even hear the words" (Trampled Underfoot, p. 409). & Hots on For Nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryder1978 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 ...ummm, "For Your Life"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I always heard and listened to this song as an inspirational song...the driving beat says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpMan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 The more I listen to the lyrics, the more it sounds like a song about addiction to me. Though it could go either way and it is quite likely Robert intended it to have a double meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 1:03 AM, TheStairwayRemainsTheSame said: I would just like to know what sources state he snorted heroin. After years into extensive search into the man I've never seen a source specifying it was definitely snorted so I'm just trying to see what I've missed? What difference does it make? This is as pedantic as the guy who keeps starting new threads just to ask what time a gig started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, IpMan said: The more I listen to the lyrics, the more it sounds like a song about addiction to me. Though it could go either way and it is quite likely Robert intended it to have a double meaning. It sounds to me like a variation on the theme explored in Fool In The Rain...loneliness...a difficult or uncooperative woman...time...the elements...chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, SteveAJones said: What difference does it make? This is as pedantic as the guy who keeps starting new threads just to ask what time a gig started. To be fair that guy is making a screenplay apparently.. I'm just curious as to where Ipman has heard or read it was taken via the nose. As I've never seen that in print or in an interview by anyone, anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Quota Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 hours ago, TheStairwayRemainsTheSame said: To be fair that guy is making a screenplay apparently.. I'm just curious as to where Ipman has heard or read it was taken via the nose. As I've never seen that in print or in an interview by anyone, anywhere... Could the "snort sound" in Carouselambra be a hint? Also, if you watch Jimmy in any interview, about every 30 seconds he checks to see if his nose is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, No Quota said: Could the "snort sound" in Carouselambra be a hint? Also, if you watch Jimmy in any interview, about every 30 seconds he checks to see if his nose is still there. Do you know how much coke those two snorted? Mounds the size of Atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76229 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 hours ago, No Quota said: Could the "snort sound" in Carouselambra be a hint? Also, if you watch Jimmy in any interview, about every 30 seconds he checks to see if his nose is still there. Well it'd be embarrassing if it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 With the song lyrics, it seems like it starts out with blues lyrics...but then its like a bit more telling of something than the open ended plant lyrics, yet still says nothing...except love and life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 "its lonely at the bottom, and its dizzy at the top, but if your standing in the middle, theres no way your gonna stop" Maybe the only advice ever in a led zep song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paplbojo Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 hours ago, middlezep said: "its lonely at the bottom, and its dizzy at the top, but if your standing in the middle, theres no way your gonna stop" Maybe the only advice ever in a led zep song I'm telling you now, the greatest thing you ever can do now,Is trade a smile with someone who's blue now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm2551 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 hours ago, paplbojo said: I'm telling you now, the greatest thing you ever can do now,Is trade a smile with someone who's blue now, FOR THE WIN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 9 hours ago, middlezep said: Maybe the only advice ever in a led zep song Hots on for Nowhere has some. I don't ask that my field's full of cloverI don't moan at opportunity's doorAnd if you ask my advice, take it slowerLet your story be your finest reward Now and then you've got to take time to pauseWhen you're down on the ground, don't be messin' aroundOr you'll land in a boat without oars And in For Your Life Oh baby, if you fake it, mamaBaby, fake with all your might When you fake it, mama Please fake it right (for yourself babe) When you fake it babyYou're fakin' it for your life, for your life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirchzep27 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 On April 25, 2018 at 1:31 AM, paplbojo said: I'm telling you now, the greatest thing you ever can do now,Is trade a smile with someone who's blue now, Oh yeah, i forgot that "whole song".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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