RIP-IT-UP
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WOW, this Denny Somach writes a book about ZEP and makes $ from it; then turns around and testifies against ZEP! Wow-such class and ethics. I actually paid my own dough and bought his book when it came out a few years ago; I think I'm gonna throw it out, if I don't throw -up 1st. WTF
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They should have done everything they could to settle this as quietly as possible out of court. Nope. And Now begins all the far worse collateral damage: Already huge and growing Main street media coverage of Zep's history of "stealing songs" , backed with out of context quotes/ misguided examples/ experts opinions / etc./ etc. All the Zep haters and envy having a field day. And damage to their reputation and legacy (that Page has tried to preserve and protect for the last 35 years)is at issue: it's now spiraling out of control ...
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Page claimed in the interview, as I stated above, that" Spirit was one of the best bands" he ever saw "in the States". This interview was done shortly after TSRTS, because a lot of the questions during the broadcast interview pertained to the movie. However, the point is that a full 7+ years after playing shows with Spirit/ and or seeing Spirit live (i.e. 1969)-he still said this years later. Over the years, Page must have seen dozens of bands in the States from the 60's right thru to the time of this interview. And he still chose to point out Spirit as a favorite. So , yes he clearly remembered Spirit. No one would state a band as one of the best if they didn't remember them, yes? ( I won't even go into the fact that Zep put part of Spirit's "Fresh Garbage" tune into their live cover of "As long as I have you" medley, as documented via bootleg in the famous San Francisco 04/27/69 concert.)
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I've discounted a Lot of Page's "borrowing" over the years; but now : to say in court that he "never heard Taurus"; didn't own any Spirit records; nor ever hear Spirit play live-is just a lie. I have a cassette interview of Page that was recorded off the radio in 1976 or 77, and he clearly states that Spirit and Kaleidoscope were 2 of the "best bands" he ever saw in the States. Now he denies all this. He lost me this time.
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Heartbreaker at 1988 reunion: I've said this before, but talk about poor judgement. The whole world is watching the '88 reunion, so why even attempt to play the solo in HB? it's arguably the most technical of all Page's solos. So why try it in front of millions of people who are judging your performance (which will be captured forever on video). It clearly wasn't practiced; He was probably drunk too. And it was pathetic. Meanwhile, since it was 1st performed in 1969, the entire bar for "rock guitarists" had risen dramatically from 1969-1988. Even the original pieced together studio version is nowadays often cited as an example of Page's sloppiness. So why even attempt to play it live in 1988 , when you have 50+ other less demanding songs to pick from? Even JPJ could have played a better solo in HB that day!
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Unfortunately, it was one big "yawn"; it was the 3rd time (!) he has remastered the Zep catalogue; and notice the very telling absence of any Plant or JPJ involvement in the whole dragged out release process. I have been a fan for 45 years, and this was the 1st time I did not "buy into anything". The boring and repetitive interviews were dreadful, with little insight into anything that wasn't said during the 1st reissues. It was always exciting in the past to be a Zep/Page fan, but not this time out. At least Dave Lewis is happy. As for me , I will continue to watch the P&P 1998 bootleg videos, as they are the last great playing of Page (to me). Why they don't release an official version of one of those shows is beyond understanding, as they are playing as a 4 piece, and the best in years. A compilation of the best shows from 1998 would blow people away: and they are just sitting on the tapes which are now 17 years old.
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The fact that TSRTS version of STH was recorded by Eddie Kramer and filmed for the movie was incredible luck for all of us! All though it was fashionable for years to slag TSRTS, the truth is that as far as Jimmy's solos throughout, they are still among his best work: STH; NQ; TSRTS; D&C. These are some of his best moments, and again-what good fortune that they were captured by film and recorded excellently by Eddie Kramer. That's why in interviews from 1974, Page said "the (MSG SHOWS) were some of the best live stuff they had ever done"; and that the tapes sounded "incredible and beautiful". (This was before TSRTS came out, and got mixed reviews, and P&P suddenly got defensive.) Sure, everyone can find other individual performances of songs on boots over the years that are "better" in one way or another, but to have so many good moments of Page soloing in the 3 concerts that comprise TSRTS, was pretty amazing. Again, I'm centering on Jimmy's performances and solos; and the fact that it was the only time they professionally filmed/ recorded from 1/9/70 thru EC.
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If you play that "creepy baby laugh" backwards, it sounds like Rosemary's Baby.
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In all the versions of D&C that I know of,(from TSRTS- i have VHS; Beta tapes; CD's; and all the DVD's Thru Blu-Ray), there's a weird laugh in the 2rd verse( time 3:39) after careful consideration over many years (and scrutiny of the tracks available); it's not Page's guitar-nor Plant's voice. It has to be an overdub, or someone had access to a mike at the time of the concert (Roy Harper?-he was there). Anyone? Note that there's a really old review of the movie that states that : Plant had the audience "laughing" at his vocal antics during the song...but clearly, this is an isolated, purposeful dub. Another angle is that Bonham was apparently displeased with the "lack of humour" in the movie-maybe it's him?
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While I understand your comment about a 2nd guitarist, when that finally did happen (i.e.) with Page and Plant in 1995 (admittedly not Zeppelin, but later), I didn't like the results. Take those performances of TSRTS with Porl Thompson and compare them with the 1998 page / Plant versions of the same song with JUST Jimmy on guitar; I'll take just Jimmy alone anytime. Same with Page and the Black Crowes live; as soon as the novelty of hearing all the guitar parts played live on Ten Years Gone wore off, I'd far rather listen to Page playing by himself with his Tele B-bender on the 1977 tour.
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yep, one of the 1st I learned too; but I had a transcription from this songbook called "LZ Complete" ; it was the 1st 5 albums, and one of the 1st of it's kind on LZ.( came out 1975 i think); A lot of the transcriptions were wrong in that book; till this day, I play a bastardized version of Rain Song in standard tuning; years later, I found out Pagey used his own tuning, and the chord shapes/sounds were all about that altered tuning! Hell, now there's a million transcriptions out there. I did learn Mood for a day by the record (that's Steve Howe, of course)
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Have to agree with Ed A: the O2 is the 1st performance by JP in 37 years of collecting live boots that his solos didn't move me much at all. There was always some aspect to his playing, even at it's "low" during the ARMS shows in '83, that was outstanding.Thruout his career, he's play a solo, and you'd think to yourself: "that's classic Page". I had been heavily into boot videos from the Page/Plant '98 tour just before I got the booted version of the 02 show back in 2008; so I was used to watching and hearing some of his best playing in years and years from that 1998 tour. as for the O2, while I was in awe of the overall BAND performance, when I really listened repeatedly to the guitar solos, it was a let down. There are "brief" moments of brilliance, like the intro to SIBLY, but overall it just wasn't him to my ears. ( Now I'm strickly talking about guitar solos, ; otherwise, his rhythym playing/ etc was spot on. But I,m referring to JP having a unique "voice" with his guitar solos thruout his entire career...It may have been too much pressure to keep it "short" and clean (due to the cameras/ publicity/ Plant wanting no long solos/etc). Had they gone on and played a LOT more shows, hopefully the real JP would have come out more in the solos. (Babe I'm Gonna Leave You solo from 1998 anyone?)
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Question: Can you throw any light on the jam that occured at Jeff Beck's wedding a few years ago, featuring Paul McCartney on vocals, Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck on guitars, Jim McCarty, and some members of the BigTown Playboys? Supposedly a very private affair, but photographed by Robert Knight, and a video exists (according to Jennifer Batten) . Thanks
i guess not. So the mystery remains. It would have been nice to know the set list.
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Question: Can you throw any light on the jam that occured at Jeff Beck's wedding a few years ago, featuring Paul McCartney on vocals, Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck on guitars, Jim McCarty, and some members of the BigTown Playboys? Supposedly a very private affair, but photographed by Robert Knight, and a video exists (according to Jennifer Batten) . Thanks
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Question; Why did Plant change the lyrics on the song "Mess O' Blues" on the BBC 1971 radio session to "Minnesota blues"? You can clearly hear him sing "Minnesota" instead of "mess of" throughout the song... Was this to avoid paying royalties? I can almost imagine Page telling Robert to alter the lyrics as they knew they were going to perform this during the encore , to avoid paying Royalties. Or,was it just a Plant joke? (I think on other Boots I've heard, like Going to California, Plant sings the real lyrics).
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Gilmour has always openly admitted editing multiple takes into one solo...I think Jeff Beck has too; but Jimmy apparently likes (us) to believe the studio solos were done "on the fly". It does appear that some were...SIBLY...apparently he recorded a guide solo, but could never top it after..and that's what you hear on the Album (except for the change of one note near the climax) (as revealed again by a boot version). Interestingly, "live", Page could usually top the studio versions: listen to the FIRM Live at the Hammersmith Odeon 12/84 version of "Live in Peace" (as seen in MTV concert video): solo is better than the Mean Business version (IMHO); Also, the live version of "Prison Blues" , ( professionally recorded and broadcast by Westwood One in 1988), is even better than the Outrider version. I guess that's why were all "JP" fans here...when he was "ON", and live, he could really deliver , especially in the earlier years. But it does bother me if he is deliberately fabricating stories about the studio solos, if they really are pieced together.
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Interesting interview on www.bobbyowsinski.com; under the Mixing Engineer's Handbook, there is an excerpt from an interview with Jimmy Douglass, who worked for a day with Jimmy Page back in 1969 at Atlantic . Per the interview, Pagey showed-up with "10 1/4" reels of guitar solos"; both Douglass and Jimmy then "chopped away at the 10 reels" and eventually came up with the one final solo that was inserted into the middle of Heartbreaker for Zep II.
This is an interesting story, because I've always read in interviews with JP, or others, that Jimmy came up with the HB solo "on the spot"; i.e. that he probably recorded 3 separate takes, and then took the "best-one" for the album; but this interview implies that they spliced together bits and pieces from at least 10 takes! (not really the definition of spontaneous.) There's also stories that this was also done with the studio version of the STH solo, although again Jimmy himself sticks to the "best of 3" story...
BBC sessions deluxe out September 16!!!!
in Led Zeppelin Reissues
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(yawn); please not again. The old "add" another "new" track to a re-issued set, and sell it again trick. Sorry Jimmy, but you're not getting any more of my business until u put out something of value (after 46 years of buying just about everything. Put out some of the Page/Plant video from 1998 and I'll be in; or Earls' Court '75. Or a new album. Otherwise.....