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  1. I honestly do not know if Jimmy would have been able to handle this tour. If Bonham hadn't had died I don't know if Page would have got off the smack before it was too late... I mean just look at him in pictures from the '77 and '80 tours. He looks like he has just been freed from Auschwitz.

    He did look horrid...also there seemed to be no *joy* onstage...contrast the Seattle '77 vid with one of the Earls Court vids or one from before...HUGE difference...

    Also, Dazed live was good but by '75 it was not a "jam" anymore, but a tightly structured piece played note-for-note night in and night out...it was retired just in time...

  2. Longbeach 3/12/75. Not the best sounding recording, but the playing is unbelievable!

    No Quarter & OTHAFA are just devestating, my current favorite live versions.

    Yeah that is a fucking great show! I also love the Baton Rouge show 2/28/75...

  3. I didn't say Seattle '73 was unknown, just that it's usually not mentioned as a classic '73 show (the way Kezar, the two LA shows, of the MSG ones are)...

    I also dig Mobile, New Orleans, and Ft Worth on '73...

    and the second night in Cleveland '77 is fantastic but most people only go for the first night because of the SBD...

  4. I was too young to have known him personally or have ever met him but I do recall hearing the name (I'm from southern NH and spent a lot of time in Boston, still do)...

    That'd be something if it did exist, but who knows?

  5. ^I highly doubt Bath '70 had video screens...if it was indeed even taped it was most likely for broadcast purposes but who knows if that's even true...

    I wonder if all 4 Landover shows were taped, or even if 1 was...we do know for sure from photographic evidence that Pontiac was, though...

    Surprised the first 3 nights at Earls Court haven't surfaced on video...

  6. We have people here who were at the Houston gig who say it was not taped, and no pictures to prove otherwise, so safe to say it was not.

    We *do* have photographic proof that Pontiac and Landover were, though...

  7. This is a great show. One of the earliest (if not the first) versions of No Quarter to feature Jonesy on the grand piano as well as the electric piano. Killer version.

    Yep. A really great atmosphere on the recording as well...Mid-Feb through the end of the US tour was really good in 1975...I know a lot of people slag '75 but I quite like it!

  8. Good of an analogy as any. But I'll go you one better (sorry if we're kind of temporarily highjacking this thread, folks!) I'm convinced the '80 US tour would have been all she wrote for Jimmy Page; I've thought that for years. The drugs had already clearly taken their toll by that point, and I don't think Page going overboard one night in LA or something and fatally OD'ing is out of the realm of possibility. Let's face it: our boy came this fucking close (holding my fingers an inch or so apart) to becoming Rock's Next Victim, some time between 1975 and 1983. And that would have been a total fucking tragedy, loss and waste. Losing Bonham was bad enough.

    I can see this...even by 1980 Jimmy hadn't cleaned up his act...the tour happened to be short enough that there weren't as many low-points overall as there were in 1977 as far as his erratic performances. However I am always shocked when I've read more recent interviews where he states he's proud of his work from that period and thinks the drugs didn't affect him at all...I'm always like "really?"

  9. The aborted '75 tour would have been good...I'm guessing they would have shook up the setlist more along the lines of the Earls Court gigs. My biggest complaint about the 1975 US Tour is that, the "Physical Graffiti" material aside, it was more or less a rehash of the '73 tour (some would disagree with this, I'm sure.) In spite of the shaky performances, I always liked the January '75 shows with "The Wanton Song" and "How Many More Times" in place of "Dazed"...and they should have kept "Levee" in there (I'm guessing the band's consensus was that it didn't really work on stage, though the fans seemed to eat it up in Chicago). I listen to the January shows more than any other '75 gigs. I think that setlist worked, and they should have stuck with it.

    '77, by the time the third leg started in Seattle you could tell the energy and momentum was GONE. The remainder of the shows would have been as much of a disappointment, most likely. In 1977 Zeppelin's eyes were bigger than their stomachs, simple as that. For the first time in their illustrious career the band have overstepped themselves, and paid the price with numerous negative incidents and mediocre performances. If they'd've been smart, they should have played Seattle near the end of the second leg and ended the tour on 27 June in LA. As I recall, the majority of the remaining '77 shows were outdoor stadiums...they might have broken a few more attendance records and made a ton of money but given the performance level of the four 3rd leg gigs they did play, a lot of audiences would have gotten cheated.

    If the Europe '80 shows are any indication, the 1980/81 US Tours would have been very hit and miss, probably. They really needed to alter the setlist IMO...that middle section of "Rain Song", "Hot Dog" and "All My Love" kills whatever strange energy the European gigs had. And "White Summer" really needed to go...like '77, Page was in no shape to play the damned thing. Having said that, to add a tune like "Carouselambra" to the setlist would have been excellent but I'm not sure if they would have been able to pull it off consistently night after night (in fact I shudder to think of the potential trainwrecks Page could have turned that song into). How many nights would have been aborted mid-show or outright cancelled due to Page or Bonham having "stomach problems"? Maybe the band would have risen to the occasion in their usual American haunts -LA, New York- but I bet a lot of American fans would have been shocked by the decline of the band's performances- it would have been impossible not to notice the decline in Page's playing and the fact that Plant wasn't really into it anymore. I know that, had I have attended a US '80 show as a rabid thirteen year old fan -which I was at the time- even with only "The Song Remains The Same" soundtrack as my only guideline to Live Zeppelin, I would have been like, "Whoa...what the hell happened to these guys?!"

    Just sayin' B)

    Fantastic analysis and I have to say I agree with you. Plant couldn't have cared less about Zeppelin after 1977 and so in a way it's good the band ended when it did, although not HOW it did. Also given Page's sharp decline, this was a good thing...was he *really* in shape for another massive US Tour in 1980/81? I liken Page to a star athlete who was great as a rookie (1968-1971), hit his peak/prime (1972-1973), had an excellent plateau period (1975), and then hit a sharp decline/major injury where he could still have flashes of the old glory (1977) to the over-the-hill athlete with one or two really good performances mixed in with a whole slew of mediocrity/downright awfulness (1979-1980)...

  10. The real shame is that except for SF 12/13/71 and Young Vic in April '71, it's a year that was AMAZING for The Who but has loads of rubbish recordings, sound-wise. Same with 1972 and 1973 (which is a crime...Quad is my favorite Who album!)

  11. I've never claimed to be a Who completist, but I have the above shows. Right now I'm listening to the Amsterdam 9-29-69 show.

    Sounds superb! Keith Moon is perfect for The Who. He's busy and brings a jazz feel, like Mitch Mitchell brought to the Experience.

    That Amsterdam show is a killer...there a few goofs during Tommy but overall it's awesome.

    Little bit of trivia...when running up the stairs to go onstage at the beginning of the show, Moon tripped and fell and bloodied himself pretty badly...still played the entire show. This is a guy who played some gigs in 1969 with a BROKEN FOOT...just downed a LOAD of pills and played. The guy was a nut, but one of the best drummers ever!

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