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  1. 6 hours ago, Strider said:

    Jimmy Page would often play "Star-Spangled Banner" and/or "Dixie"/"God Save the Queen". But the June 22 show is the rare time Jimmy didn't play any of those songs. "Feeling Groovy" is the only recognizable song during the harmonizer scribble section.

    He plays something around the 0:57-1:12 mark that sounded vaguely familiar to me.. but you're probably right. Maybe it's just me being OCD 🤔🤣

  2. On 6/21/2019 at 6:03 PM, Bonzo_fan said:

    To answer your question of which '77 Noise Solos stick out to me:

    June 13 - New York -- All-time best theremin section on this one, and not particularly close IMO

    June 22 - Los Angeles -- Bonus points for flowing into the best Achilles Last Stand of all time

    June 26 - Los Angeles -- Very long and very good, unlike the next night (very long and OK)

    All three of those always feel cohesive and focused to me.

    Can you tell if he plays "Dixie" during the harmonizer section on the 22nd? I know he plays "Feelin' Groovy" before the theremin section. He plays something patriotic sounding before that though, I can't tell what it is. Sounds like "Dixie" to me. 

  3. 5 hours ago, wordev1977 said:

    Not being an ass in any way but gibsonfan159 has clearly stated in his review of this show that he thinks it's a decent show with some duds and some standout highlights specifically being the acoustic set and some other gems such as Nobody's Fault and the epic Stairway solo. In my opinion it's an average 77 show with nothing too special or horrendous it's a shame this is what we get for pro-shot video instead of something like the LA run, but being that it's the only pro-shot footage that we have I'd rather it be Seattle than the horrendous Tempe show and am extremely grateful for this remaster which does make the show sound a whole lot better.

    In regards to Led Zeppelin fandom I think it's ridiculous that people who have differing opinions think that one opinion is above the other, we are all fans here so if you don't agree with someone maybe you shouldn't resort to being an imbecile and calling them Captain Obvious and saying things such as "why bother with Led Zeppelin" the reason he bothers to comment or criticize is he's a fan of the band and has every right to criticize the band based on the standards the band started back in the early 70s. 

    Anyways I'm not here to start anything I'm just tired of seeing people getting ridiculed for their opinions when everyone has their right to his/hers own opinions without being told they are wrong when everything is subjective.

    Amen to that brother! I agree with literally everything in your post. 

  4. 17 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    Amateur hour, One of the greatest rock rhythm sections in the world laying down a beat for your solo and this is your answer. I know that's harsh, but it's pretty ridiculous for a band of this caliber.

    I dunno why but that cracked me up 😆

  5. 23 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    I think the true realization I've had for 77 is how smooth Plant's voice is for most shows. He even gets some air raid siren screams in. 

    Oh without a doubt. I don't know if you've ever attempted to listen to the (well-developed-bootleg-ears-required) opening night at Chicago but his vocals on Kashmir are very powerful. Although I never liked that harmonizer he uses when he sings In My Time Of Dying.

  6. 1 hour ago, IpMan said:

    That June 22nd 1977 Achilles is INSANE! Everyone is bringing their A game and then some. Zeppelin obviously ate their Wheaties...Cocaine infused Wheaties.

    Seriously man. That version is hella tight. Even with the broken string/guitar swap. I love that ominous intro.. plus we got 8mm footage of it on Youtube.

  7. 5 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    Final Assessment- First, Plant sounds as good post-72 as ever and sings with vigor. Page never really gets above average for 77. His ability to chord perfectly but fall apart on solos will always boggle my mind. Bonham is lively and Jones is flawless. Highlights are a very solid Ten Years Gone, an amazing "must hear" acoustic set, an epic Kashmir, a driving Achilles, and an excellent one-two punch encore. I'm rather surprised by this show, though I'd recommend ignoring everything prior to Ten Years Gone, but that's me.

    I'm sure muscle memory had alot to do with his chording. It's a shame this New York run isn't as well recorded as the Inglewood shows. Considering it was also a six-day run in a major venue.

  8. 4 hours ago, Strider said:

     

    "A select few" sounds like 5 or less to me. 7 to 10 sounds like a stretch.

    Basically, we know the pattern for the 1977 tour was that the giant enormodome shows had the video screens. Up to the point of the tour cancellation that meant the Pontiac Silverdome and Seattle Kingdome shows, of which we only have the Seattle show videotape circulating.

    From the rest of the itinerary, we can safely assume the band would have video screens for the New Orleans Superdome, Philadelphia JFK Stadium, and Buffalo's Rich Stadium. That would have put the total of videotaped shows at five.

    Was there also a Washington RFK Stadium show scheduled? That would have been a video screen show, as well.

    But there is still the mystery of Tampa and Oakland. Both of those venues were giant football stadiums yet there does not appear to be any evidence that video screens were used, and no possibility of videotape existing.

    Why use screens for Pontiac and Seattle but not Tampa and Oakland?

    Thank you for mentioning Tampa and Oakland. I can't imagine any reason why they'd choose not to close circuit those shows. If you look at audience footage from Oakland, you can barely see the band from the nosebleeds.

  9. 2 hours ago, Bonzo_fan said:

    I'd have to disagree with you there.  I think 6/22 is the best top-to-bottom show of '77, with 6/21 close behind.  If any of the LA shows are overrated, I'd say it's 6/23--it certainly has very epic peaks (NQ, Stairway), but they're interspersed with more mediocre moments, such as maybe the weakest acoustic set of the LA run and the screw-up in Kashmir.  I mean, it has a great, playful vibe to it, but I'd take the superior tightness of 6/21 & 6/22 if I had to choose.

    And I wouldn't call the last two blah--to me, blah would be just totally middle-of-the-road, paint-by-numbers, with nothing notable to recommend it.  I would give this 'honour' to 6/7 of all the June '77 shows.  6/26 is great and tight all the way through IMO, highlighted by an excellent NQ (and a unique one, given that Jones goes back to the electric during Page's solo, like on 3/25/75), a great acoustic set, one of the best Noise Solos, one of the best and longest Stairway's, and the great and rare encore of It'll Be Me.  6/27, I'll admit, is the weakest of the LA run, but its NQ & acoustic set alone prevent it from being "blah" IMO.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks 6/23 is overrated. I feel as though if Keith Moon hadn't made a cameo and it wasn't a Millard recording people wouldn't give it as much attention as they do. Still has some great moments though..

    I share your opinion on 6/26 as well. An overall solid show and I'd much rather hear "It'll Be Me" as an encore than that "Whole Lotta Love"/"Rock And Roll" medley they were doing. 

     

  10. 1 hour ago, Bonzo_fan said:

    Well, he hardly ever soloed with the mellotron--aren't this, 6/3/73 LA & 7/29/73 NY the only times "Thank You" was played after his switch to the mellotron from the Hammond, thus the only times he had a mellotron solo?

    According to Led Zeppelin Database the following shows have mellotron solos:

    10/5/72 (Nagoya), 11/30/72 (Newcastle-upon-Tyne), 12/12/72 (Cardiff), 12/22/72 (London), 1/22/73 (Southhampton).   

    It lists both the 6/3 and 7/29 versions of "Thank You" as having organ solos. I was just curious though. Being random. 

  11. 2 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:

    I'm not sure the first Chicago show is the best one to "nitpick".  They doubtless needed a bit of a warm-up after the break from the first leg, and the audience was clearly a distraction (that's what Plant was referring to after DC, also was surprised people said something "sucks" back then).  And ultimately of all the night's problems, Plant is by far the biggest one.  

     

    I believe gibsonfan159 makes it clear in the first post that he wanted to nitpick an off night from '73 for contrast. Or at least that's how I understood it. I'm not sure if there's a better example of a subpar show from this year.

     

  12. 21 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    Nitpicking Page 7/17/1977 (Conquering Kingdome)

    The Winston Remaster is the way to go, but since the Conquering Kingdome boot is the most readily available I'll be using it for the time stamps. I think it is also used for the EVSD DVD. Sue Dounim was nice enough to send me her excellent matrix so I could get more of an audience feel compared to the dry soundboard. The soundboard version does enhance some sloppiness if that sort of thing bothers you. The audience sources were just way too distant for an accurate judgement.

    TSRTS- Bonham certainly sounds on tonight. Good energy out of the gate. Plant sounds alright here. Bonham takes off again right before the first solo. First solo- Good start, but loses articulation on the last part. Outro solo- 4:59, not good. Bad articulation throughout. "A" for energy, but realistically a "B+".

    Sick Again- Plant's pre-pubescent yodel at 0:08 never fails to make me chuckle. Otherwise solid intro. Plant semi-squeaking throughout. First solo- Not bad at all, good phrasing and fair articulation. Outro solo- Slopfest. Professionally embarrasing. I'm sure it's the "Sleeping sickness". "C+".

    NFBM- Squeaky Plant. Good start. Harmonica- Plant gets a good solo in there. Solo- 6:00, maybe not the best technically, but he's playing fairly solid here. Not a bad version at all, "A".

    OTHAFA- Page checks his tuning before starting. Intro sounds a little hesitant, but not bad. 3:05, Page is lagging a little. Solo- Not a good start. 4:00, turkey gobbling. Again at 4:20. 4:35, these bends just don't work. 5:07-5:22, slop. 5:37, he tries to get more aggressive but it just doesn't flow well. Jones is sounding quite excellent in the background though. 6:26, spoke too soon, Jones flub. Plant gets some decent vocals in on the outro. "C+".

    SIBLY- Solid intro. Plant sounds decent. Solo- Not a bad start, but he gets sloppy at 5:20 and starts repeating phrases uncreatively. Bonham livens things up toward the end. 7:35, flub. Though Plant can't really let loose with his vocals, he has the appropriate downtrodden mood for the song. "B".

    No Quarter- 2:39, Plant squeak. Nitpicking Jones- He gets a very entertaining routine going, containing everything from classical to jazz to gospel to blues. Bonham comes in for a good barrelhouse groove. Solo- Page is doing some decent guitar work, but it honestly sounds like he's stepping on the Jones/Bonzo jam. I just don't understand the extra harsh guitar tone he uses for this part. 16:07-16:42, he comes in on the original solo and has some decent fluidity and phrasing. 17:59, this sounded alright the first round but he attempts to go another round and quickly abandons it. 19:05, not great articulation but he's phrasing very well. 22:10 is a little messy. A pretty good second part of the solo and some good noodling on the outro. "B+".

    Ten Years Gone- 1:15, Plant squeak before he even begins. Good beginning. First solo- Sounds great, but at 4:46 Page cuts that riff short and miraculously both Jones (playing guitar and bass pedal) and Bonham correct the time immediately and almost unnoticeably. That's truly a feat when you think about it. 6:11, my favorite Plant part of the song is how he sings this verse live, but he chokes a bit here. Second solo (6:13)- Quite good. 7:09, easy Rob. Third solo (8:12)- Some good bends and a unique riff at 8:43. The delay solo and outro all sound pretty good. Robert hurts this a little, but it's still a solid "B+".

    The Battle Of Evermore- Jones about to sneeze at 4:00. 6:28, the echo effect on Plant's vocals sound strange through the soundboard. Pretty solid version. "B+".

    Going To California- The plus side of the dry soundboard is the amazingly clear acoustic section. A very good version with all the instruments perfectly balanced. Good emotion from Plant and good mandolin work. "A".

    Black Country Woman- "It's about the lousiest possible thing you can do is to throw firecrackers". No Rob, cheating on your wife with her sister and writing a song about it is. Let's take a listen lol. A solid version. "A".

    Bronyaur Stomp- Page's intro is subdued and a little off track. Sounds great once Plant comes in. 4:00, Page breaks a string and Jones does an amateurish upright bass solo, but Plant's ad libs show it's all in good fun. Page's breakdown- Now Page is no Doc Watson, but he gets a very entertaining solo section in here. Good version, "A".

    WS/BMS- Definitely an adventure, though it seems unstructured and off track at times. No one can argue Page's ability to paint a vast landscape with just a guitar. "B+".

    Kashmir- Slow and heavy pace. 2:32, love that scream. 3:14, Page and Jones are out of sync on the chords. 4:12, Jones' Arab motif here sounds good. 4:32, Plant is straining when he returns to the verses. 7:13, Page sounds a little sloppy on the outro runs and Bonzo's drum fills are a little too straightforward. A decent version, but has enough flaws to knock it down to a "B+".

    Over The Tiles- Bonham sounds inspired as he quickly gets some dynamic snare rolls going. Certainly not the most technical Bonham, but fairly listenable. 

    Guitar Solo- Page abandons the noise solo due to apparent technical issues and just goes straight into the theremin and bow section. Anyone complaining?

    Achilles Last Stand- 0:36, Jones straining those bass notes. 3:18, Bonham loses beat for a second. First solo- Not a good flow at the start, but gets some decent runs in later. Second solo (6:32)- Page sounds like he's lagging behind. Third Solo (7:45)- Not bad, not great. An alright version, barely a "B+".

    Stairway To Heaven- Jones' Rhodes piano crowds the mix a little, and nothing is more 70s cliche than a Rhodes. Decent first half. Solo- A good, semi-fluid start. 8:04, I think Page always does his best work on this "Soft" section, where he slows down and throws in more intricate minor scale runs. Bonzo also throws in some nice fills. 9:15, he speeds up again and loses articulation. 9:49, a beautiful piano riff. The final four bars are a little sloppy but this was a nice solo overall. "A".

    Whole Lotta Love (Partial)- Good energy on this.

    Rock And Roll- Raunchy and energetic. Solo- Bonham messes with Page and speeds the tempo up and down but Page bites back and comes out alive. "A".

    Final assessment- I had always been critical of this show and though it certainly does have some major duds from Page, he manages to remain stable in most other areas. It's just a giant step down overall compared to the L.A. run and Plant struggles with his scratchy vocals the whole way through. The acoustic set is really what shines and actually sounds great on the very dry soundboard. I think Page's sloppiness on the first few numbers is what really paints such a bad picture of this show.

    Man this makes me wish you would've nitpicked the acoustic sets and solos from the LA shows too 😅 ha ha just messing with you. I'm glad you went back to '77 though. Do you think it's fair to say that this show (while not great) gets a somewhat undeserved reputation for being worse than it actually was?

  13. 21 hours ago, gibsonfan159 said:

    You know, now that I think about it I actually don't think he uses the pedals while on the Piano. Only the mellotron. Which is why the blues jam sounds so "empty" in a way.

    Yeah I've often wondered about that. I guess it would've been awkward moving the pedals back and forth as he moves between keyboards during the same song.

    I suppose that would mean he probably doesn't use pedals during STH after he steps away from the mellotron.. I know he moves to the piano during the guitar solo on at least some of the versions of STH this tour (inc. I believe all of the LA shows). 

  14. Does Jones use bass pedals during the sections (piano solo/blues jam/etc.) of No Quarter when he's on the grand piano? 

    That might sound like a silly question but I'm not a musician and I don't have the greatest of bootleg ears 😅

  15. I'm curious to know what letter grade you'd give each of these two shows overall.. 

    I know there's people out there who say that if we had a better quality recording of 6/22 it'd be the best of the run. But after reading your song by song take I'm not so sure anymore. 

    That version of Achilles is brutal though.. in the best way possible. Even with the guitar swap. 

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