Yes. Not much I can add to either post, except to say that I wouldn't swap "Southbound Saurez" for "Darlene". "Southbound" has a swinging groove that is infectious and a short, sharp, punk-inflected guitar solo. And I swoon at the "sha la la la las" at the end. The only ITTOD outtake on Coda that is worthy of inclusion, in my opinion, is "Wearing and Tearing". Frankly, ITTOD is fine the way it is...but that doesn't stop me from salivating at the thought of the expanded edition Jimmy has planned for us next year.

Especially in your beds, right girls?

That's a good one, Knebby! Nice find...I wonder how many suckers bid on that.

I haven't read everything that's out there regarding the Benghazi attack, and given that the CIA and State Department is involved, it would be impossible for us civilians to ever know all the intel...but at first glance, I will say as a former military man, this doesn't pass the smell test. Something smells fishy. I didn't buy the 'video protest' story to begin with. It'll be interesting to see what comes up in the Press Conference about to begin.

Very very very very VERY SAD! Oh well...at least it's not the Housewives of Atlanta. That is the bottom of the barrel.

^^^ Yes. All 5 seasons are out on DVD and you might even find it on Netflix or Hulu or whatever the Downloading generation uses these days.

I'm no expert and I'm commuting so I don't have my books handy, but if memory serves, it wasn't Willie Dixon himself, but his family or the Publishing House that owned the rights to his songs that sued Led Zeppelin. In fact, I think Willie himself received very little money from the settlement and ended up suing the Publishing Co. to get his fair share of the cut. I'm sure Sam or Steve could give a more detailed and accurate answer. As I said, I'm on the subway far away from my books.

I have great respect for that bloke of yours.

I don't watch the show anymore, jb, but my friend watches it every week and Tivos it for backup just in case. You should definitely check out "The Wire", which was the previous HBO show by the creators of "Treme". "The Wire" was one of the Top 5 tv shows of all-time, in my opinion. Set in Baltimore, no less. Splendid cast. Incredible writing and storylines.

Rick, you keep trying to turn me into a Clippers fan and it ain't going to happen, dig? I'm a Lakers fan for life, thru thick and thin. The Clippers will always be the incompetent interloping carpetbaggers from San Diego. It would be like you switching from the Orioles to the Yankees...or from the Bills to the Patriots.

10-3-1. Fucking Akers missing that chip shot FG for the 49ers. What made me pick Chicago? I spent the night hoping Houston would win, thinking I had picked Houston in the pool. Get home and see Houston won, then discover I picked the effing Bears.

It's already out in Los Angeles. I thought about seeing it after coming out of the "Celebration Day" screening tonight, but I had already seen two movies today("The Awful Truth" and the Zeppelin flick) and I have a long, busy day ahead on Wednesday...and Thursday, for that matter...so I decided to pass on "Lincoln" and see it another night.

Willkommen John! Nice to have a fellow Californian on the board.

"...wide-spread hate for this record." That's a bit of an overstatement, isn't it? I appreciate your love for "Presence", JGaul, but while many may not prefer it as much as the earlier albums, I have never encountered out-and-out 'hatred' for "Presence". In fact, among most of my muso friends and acquaintances, "Presence" is regarded as a hidden gem...an underrated piece of their oeuvre. One little quirk I have discovered over the years is that many of the younger fans like "Presence" more than the older ones. These are the kids who came to Led Zeppelin late in the game...either "Presence" was their first Zeppelin album or they didn't get into the band until the 80s. For a lot of kids who were into metal in the 80s and discovered Led Zeppelin thru hearing or reading about them in Heavy Metal magazines like Kerrang! or Rip, "Presence" is the most metal-sounding of their albums. No acoustic fussiness and Jimmy's guitars have a nasty metallic serrated edge to them, with diamond-sharp tones on the solos that could cut glass. Of course, it had the unenviable task of following "Physical Graffiti", a double-album behemoth that is the supreme hardrock musical achievement of all- time. Susan Whitall had a great line in a Creem article she wrote...she said that after "Physical Graffiti", hearing "Presence" was like giving a heroin addict methadone.

WOOHOO!!! Just got out of my third viewing of "Celebration Day". It just keeps getting better and better! This time around I saw it at the AMC Century City 15 in the Century City Shopping Complex along Santa Monica Blvd. Yes, that's the same Century City that Tom Petty sings about in his song of the same name. Full report tomorrow, I promise. But a few particulars... The theatre was about midsize, capacity about 200-250. The screen was 60 feet wide. Theatre was about 2/3rds full. Mostly 30 and older, but surprisingly many women. About 60/40 split between male and female. A few youngsters including one 7 or 8 year old boy with his dad, already a little Zephead. Lots of whoops and clapping after songs, crowd getting into the movie...there was one woman who was extremely vocal, but not obnoxiously so. Lots of excited and buzzing conversation after the movie was over, people full of praise and in wonder at the excellence of the band's playing and presentation. Lots of people wishing they could have been at the concert and wishing they would tour the U.S. Most saying they can't wait to get their hands on the DVD when it's released. I plan on seeing this at least two more times in the theatre; it's scheduled for the 15th, 16th, and 21st here in L.A. and my friends at the American Cinematheque have confirmed a screening in December. All I've gotta say is watching this on the big screen is overwhelming...it's 2 hours and 4 minutes of GREAT TIMES! I rocked...I rolled...I wept...I cried...it became a part of me.

Damn, it's a shame losing a fellow 77 tour brethren. Hope I didn't waste too much of your time. This place isn't gonna be the same with 3 hours less lunacy. May the road forever rise with you.

The chocolate I am eating while watching "Led Zeppelin: Celebration Day" at the theatre. Movie starts in 20 minutes.

Going to see Led Zeppelin: Celebration Day!

Billy has excellent taste...but then, he's friends with you, so that's a given.

Yes, and to be even more pedantic and critically precise, I would say that the 1973 European tour was the last time Led Zeppelin performed good classic medleys. By the 73 US tour, they were pretty much eliminated, save for a couple of "I'm Goin' Down"s appended to the standard Whole Lotta Love-Boogie Mama medley.

I love "Paper Moon"! Lots of people see the names Ryan and Tatum O' Neal and think, "Meh", but they both are really good in this...and of course, any movie with the wonderful Madeline Kahn is worth watching. This was Ryan O'Neal's best period, when he was making the movies "What's Up, Doc?"(another Peter Bogdanovich winner), "Paper Moon" and Stanley Kubrick's "Barry Lyndon" back-to-back-to back. As redrum noted, the black & white cinematography of László Kovács is a major component of this film. Some of the shots and compositions rival the best of Walker Evans or Dorothea Lange. Stunning to behold at times...and as redrum said, there is a certain characteristic to b&w or monochrome photography that you cannot get with colour. I strongly urge any of you that love photography or film to put "Paper Moon" on your list, if you haven't seen it yet. It is a hidden gem of the 70s...overshadowed by the larger "EVENT" 70s films like "Godfather", "The Sting", "French Connection", "Poseidon Adventure", "The Exorcist", "Chinatown", "Jaws" and "Star Wars", it holds up as well, if not better than some of the bigger hits of that decade and is another reason why the 1970s are often remembered as the last golden age of American movies. Speaking of Golden Age movies, I went to the Museum matinee of "The Awful Truth", a glorious screwball comedy from 1937 starring the incomparably elegant Cary Grant and Irene Dunne, two actors of sparkling wit and chemistry. The screen literally sizzles when they are on. "The Awful Truth" is one of my favourite screwball comedies, and so I never miss a chance to see it on the big screen when I can. You can't beat LACMA's admission price of $2, either! Again...if you haven't seen "The Awful Truth" and love romantic comedies or classic old movies, period, then put this on your movie queue pronto. I might write more about this movie on the Classic Film thread. But now, I'm on my way to see Led Zeppelin's "Celebration Day"!

The ones cookieshoes lists are all great. You can't go wrong with any of those, especially the Sept. 29, 1971 Osaka show. The WLL-medley is stellar, with "I Gotta Know", "Twist & Shout", "Fortune Teller" among the usual suspects. But I have to also mention another great show for medleys: the evening show of September 19, 1970. This concert is chock-full of great medleys. It starts with an amazing WLL medley with some raving versions of "Dust My Broom", "Bottle Up and Go", and "Some Other Guy" practically exploding from the speakers. Then feast your ears on the "Out on the Tiles-Communication Breakdown-Gallows Pole" triple-bill!!! OOTT is an even better version than the 9.4.70 Forum...Plant hits every high note! Oh, but the band ain't through with you yet...the next encore brings forth maybe the greatest surprise of the night, and possibly their career: a full-speed ahead, all-out sonic attack on "The Girl Can't Help It-Talking About You-Twenty Flight Rock". Rarities all. Given the band's acknowledged love of Little Richard, I wished they had covered him as often as they did Elvis and Ricky Nelson. "The Girl Can't Help It" is killer...at least we have this one version. I would kill for a Soundboard of 9.19.70!!! The night finishes off with the HMMT medley...which according to Plant's "Plantation" here, was supposed to have been played earlier in the set. So there you go...four, count 'em FOUR medleys in a row to close out the night!

Since the 1972 shows were my first Zeppelin concerts, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment and characterization of the Forum and Long Beach Arena shows as "predictable". They seemed plenty wild and off-the-rails to this 10-year-old boy's mind. They made me dizzy as a matter of fact...I literally had no idea what they were doing or where they were going half the time. All I remember was this feeling that the band was making it up as they went along; that they were creating and making new music at that moment on that stage...and only us 18,000 Zepheads inside the Forum that night would hear this music. This was before I had gotten any bootlegs. If LA was so predictable, how come we got more Houses of the Holy premieres than any other city, save Seattle? How come we got "Louie Louie/Everyday People"? How come we got one of the best "Dazed and Confused" and "Whole Lotta Love" medleys of the tour? I've heard the New York shows and while very good, they don't surpass L.A. The only 1972 US shows that give LA a run for their money and surpass them in spots, are Seattle and Tucson. In my opinion, natch.

This thread is about the problems the band occasionally had performing "Kashmir", which made its concert debut in 1975. So for the purposes of this thread, 1968-73 does not matter. My remark about them perhaps being able to remember the changes in "Kashmir" if they weren't so fucked up obviously means 1975-80. In 1975, because of his smashed finger, Jimmy was knocking back Jack Daniels to deaden the pain. The guy barely weighed 100 pounds...it wouldn't take much to get him sauced. Bonzo, of course, was hitting the Heineken...along with the Ludes. By 1977, well, all you had to do was look at them to tell the state they were in. Hell, I give them all credit that they were all able to still perform for over three hours and remain upright...it attests to their superhuman stamina and added to their godlike mystique. Other bands would get fucked up and barely be able to play an hour.

To all of us that are going to the screenings tonight: CELEBRATE!!!