Thanks SuperDave! It's all good so far. What happened was last December they found a blood clot in my leg and I ended up spending Dec-Jan in the hospital. After I was released, I still had to take Coumadin for my blood, and every two weeks I go back to the hospital for tests to make sure my blood's ok. The initial prescription was that I would have to be on the coumadin for 6 to 8 months...which meant no alcohol or green leafy veggies(spinach, broccoli, green beans, asparagus) during that time. Today the doc said I could stop taking the coumadin on June 10. Can't wait to have green veggies again! Anyway, sorry...this is the what show are you listening to? thread...not what ails you? thread.

On disc 3 now of Rampaging Cajun...Dazed & Confused just finished. Which points up another reason why the second leg of 1975 was better than the first leg: they replaced "San Francisco" in D & C, with the far better, far moodier and spookier "Woodstock" interlude. Another thing about the 1975 Dazed's...the last 3 to 5 minutes of the song often has some of Jimmy's best soloing of the night.

A nice fantasy, but there's NO WAY they would've released the entire show back then...and it's not just a question of the length of the concert necessitating a costly and hefty vinyl box set. Hell, they could've released the entire concert on a tidy 3 cd set back in 2003 and they didn't. Like you said, Houses of the Holy hadn't been released yet, and with OTHAFA, Dancing Days and The Ocean all being on the set list(not to mention The Crunge interlude in Dazed & Confused), Atlantic would have been apoplectic about releasing those songs on a live album before Houses of the Holy came out, for fear that it would cut into sales of Houses of the Holy. So, right off the bat, any so-called Live at the Forum release would not have any of the new HotH songs. And Dazed & Confused and Whole Lotta Love, if they made the cut, would definitely have been edited. The most likely scenario would have been a single album release, with one side featuring heavy rockers and one side, the softer, acoustic numbers. So, something like this: Side 1. 1. Immigrant Song 2. Heartbreaker 3. Since I've Been Loving You 4. Communication Breakdown Side 2. 1. That's the Way 2. Going to California 3. Bron-Y-Aur Stomp 4. Thank You(minus the Louie Louie/organ intro) One thing this lineup does is highlight the LZ III numbers, which I'm sure the band felt wasn't given a fair shake by the public. Given how most LZ tracks like Immigrant Song and SIBLY were even better in concert, having these explosive versions on the live album would have the added benefit of spurring some fans to revisit LZ III...and inspiring the others who hadn't bought it yet, to now do so. If you're asking why no Black Dog, I think Plant's lyric flub nixes that...and both R n R and Stairway sound rough in spots; you can see Jimmy is still working out how to resolve second half of the Stairway solo. Anyway, there's no time machine so it's all moot. But the above list is my considered opinion on what a hypothetical 1972 Live at the LA Forum album release would have looked like.

At the hospital, waiting on blood test results...so I've got time to kill. Listening to "Rampaging Cajun", the soundboard from the Baton Rouge, Louisiana show from Feb. 28, 1975. Excellent sound so far...one of the best of the 75 soundboards as far as balance, clarity and overall quality of sound. As far as performance, so far I think it's better than the St. Louis '75 show I checked out last week...maybe even better than any show from the first leg with the exception of St. Valentine's Day Massacre. I'm on disc 2...a really good, bluesy No Quarter just ended...Trampled Underfoot now beginning. As this is a Louisiana show, I'm picturing Deborah there rocking out...hmmm, let's see, it's 1975?...then I'm picturing her in a halter top and Ditto jeans. Wait...it's February, so better put a sweater over that halter top.

With the way the Lakers got PUNKED on national TV yesterday, football (college AND NFL) can't come soon enough IMO.

Made me unhappy yesterday...and I am still unhappy about it today. "IT" being the COMPLETE AND UTTER BEATDOWN of the LA Lakers by Dallas yesterday, knocking the Lakers out in the second-round of the playoffs. For the first time in 3 years, the Lakers will not be in the NBA Championship Finals. But, you know, it wasn't losing that hurt...you can't win EVERY year. No, it was the WAY they lost and the way they lost their cool and lack of class(such as Bynum's cheapshot foul). Getting blown out by 30+ points? Where was the Lakers pride? Watching the game yesterday, I felt bewildered, dismayed, ANGRY...then finally ASHAMED AND EMBARRASSED. What a way for Phil Jackson to go out. And yesterday is just another reason why, no matter how many championships Kobe wins, the Kobe-era teams will never surpass the Magic Johnson Showtime teams in Laker fans hearts. OK, I realize that getting upset about a basketball team looks inconsequential in light of all the floods, tornadoes, sickness and death that surrounds us. But the thread asks what made you unhappy...and that's what made me unhappy. If that makes me frivolous in your eyes, so be it. There is a silver lining in all this. With all the Laker-haters out there, the Lakers getting swept out of the playoffs means a lot of people are HAPPY today.

Remember when I posted that ESPN ROCK BRACKETOLOGY thread? I said it may be silly, but the fact that it was ESPN could lead to unexpected consequences or benefits, depending on how you feel about hearing Led Zeppelin on TV. Sure enough, to the surprise of many media-types I'm sure, Led Zeppelin crushed their bracket, even beating the holy Rolling Stones(who are always #2 to the #1 Beatles in the media's rock n roll narrative)...only the Beatles could stop them. It's possible that ESPN's executives noticed this and, always mindful of trying to attract as many of the 18-34 crowd that advertisers crave, instead of using the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" for the millionth time, they decided to use some Zeppelin...only with some hot female singer as a sop to their primarily male audience. By the way, that Nicole Sherzinger popped up the other night at the Prince concert I went to at the Fabulous Forum...she sang an old Chaka Khan song with the Purple One. But the story about THAT show is for another thread.

When I first read this yesterday in the Daily Telegraph(a British paper), I thought it had to be a hoax, but apparently these two douchebags are serious...UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE! What a couple of ass-clowns. Read below... Dutch men attempt to report Barack Obama Two Dutch men have attempted to report Barack Obama for the "murder" of Osama bin Laden at their local police station. By Bruno Waterfield, Daily Telegraph May 4, 2011 Ruud Snoeren and Terry Flohr accused the American President of "perpetrating" a crime by ordering the special forces raid that led to bin Laden's death on Sunday. Police in the Dutch city of Tilburg refused to accept the case and referred the men to an international war crimes court based in The Hague. "We are very angry," said, Mr Snoeren, 30, a lawyer. "There is a murderer who has admitted the deed on television and who dumped the evidence at sea. And the whole world is celebrating.' The pair denied that they were not defending bin Laden and insisted that the al-Qaeda leader should have been captured to be put on trial. Dutch police officers recorded the complaint but told the men the issue was outside their jurisdiction. "We have had a conversation and registered it. It is not that we do not take the case seriously, but this is not something for Tilburg police," said a spokesman. "We are not going to commit police resources on this." The men were told by officers to contact the International Criminal Court in The Hague. "We are going to consider it," said Mr Flohr, 29, a student.

I have the Empress Valley's entire Deep Throat Set Parts 1, 2 and 3 on 9 cds, which are Mike Millard's tapes of all three Forum shows in probably the best sound yet. I also have both Long Beach shows: the March 11, 1975 I have in both the Mike Millard recording and the soundboard via Godfatherecord's "The American Return", which doesn't have the speed problems the other versions have. I have the best quality version I've heard yet of the superior(performance-wise) March 12 Log Beach Arena show: Badgeholder's "Taking No Prisoners Tonight", which has another audience source (heavy on the bass) for the majority of the show, until Mike Millard's recording(OUTSTANDING SOUND!) takes over from the middle of Stairway on through the encores. In case you don't know, the reason Mike's recording started late is because he got caught in traffic when there was an accident on the freeway on the way to the show. And if you're interested, I have both San Diego shows from March 10 and March 14, 1975...the version I have of the March 14 show is Empress Valley's "Conspiracy Theory"; don't know off hand which release of the 10th I have. Frankly, neither of these shows are of note...not when compared to the other shows on the West Coast Swing: Long Beach, Vancouver, Seattle, and L.A. I could burn these on cd-r's and do a trade with you, if you want. There's still some Zep shows I'm looking for and perhaps you have them. I neither have the capability, the equipment, the time, nor the know-how in turning my cd's into computer or torrent files for downloading purposes.

I'm listening to the Feb. 16 1975, St. Louis show that I picked up at the last swap meet. It's Godfatherrecords "Rock Saint Louis Roll" and it's the soundboard that surfaced recently. To my ears, it sounds a little better than Empress Valley's "St. Louis Blues". I'm halfway through Dazed and Confused right now, and performance-wise, it's an average Feb 75 show. Not as good as the New York/Nassau shows earlier, or even Baton Rouge. Which is just further proof how full-of-crap that Stephen Davis "LZ 75" book is, for in it he praises the St. Louis show while saying the St. Valentine's Day show was boring. Ha! St. Valentine's smokes St. Louis in almost every way.

Thanks Sam for the confirmation. If you don't mind, could you clarify the nature of the footage...is Rock and Roll the only performance footage, with the rest being crowd shots? Or is there more performance footage...Sick Again maybe? Or some other song? Thanks in advance for any light you could shed.

Goddammit! The LA Lakers are down 0-2 in their series against Dallas, after losing the first two games at HOME! And Ron Artest will most likely be suspended for game 3, after his punk move last night. The three-peat is in serious jeopardy. To top it off, the team I most wanted the Lakers to face in the Finals, Boston Celtics, are also down 0-2 against Miami. I DO NOT want Miami winning the championship. Suddenly, the Lakers and Celtics look old and tired. At least Boston is going home for the next two games; Lakers gotta go to Dallas, where I bet Izzoso will be cheering with glee. Truth to tell, it's time we got some new blood...it's good for the NBA in the long run. Chicago w/ Derrick Rose, OKC w/ Durantula, Atlanta Hawks, Memphis, all these young fresh teams are fun to watch. Just don't let it be Miami...not after the way they went about it last summer with all that "The Decision" garbage.

With all the talk of a lockout and the possibility of no 2011 season, I didn't even watch or follow the draft this year. Plus, Oakland didn't even have a first-round pick, so the Raiders are screwed. All I know about this year's draft is that Cam Newton was the #1 pick and that Dallas drafted a USC lineman with their first pick. Oh well, at least for a nanosecond, something other than the Osama bin Laden thread will be at the top of the page.

Seriously, how do you and your girlfriend communicate? With flash cards? You asking someone else to be coherent is absurd because coherency is about as rare in your posts as virgins at a Girls Gone Wild party at Lake Havasu.

Appreciate all the info you provide, Steve, especially that link that let's you hear Jimmy's statement. Figured LZ and the Stones would be high on list of bootleg sales BUT Eric Clapton?!? Thought it would be the Beatles or even Queen or U2 in the top 3 ahead of Clapton.

This Saturday, May 7 - PRINCE @ The LA Forum Part of a month-long plus residency Prince is playing to help raise funds to maintain the Forum. It's my friend's birthday and about 5 of us are going, including his son, who we've taken to see Page & the Black Crowes, Bob Dylan, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Lilith Fair, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Bruce Springsteen and more. Now the kid can add another legend to his list.

:lol: Ummm, Steve...does that look like Liz is doubting Osama is dead? I'm telling you, you're confusing Liz's posts with cate's. This just in...Osama bin Laden is STILL dead.

Oh yeah, now I remember why I stopped posting on any political threads in the Ramble On forum...because of garbage like this. Seriously, I have no idea how old you are, blackfire, but if this is really how you see things, then maybe the terrorists have already won. I'm not even going to waste my breath(or at least, my typing fingers) rebutting your silly points, as it's obvious that it wouldn't do any good. Well, that's a little unfair, isn't it Steve? It wasn't even Liz that was questioning Osama's death; it was cate. And why does this have to be a Lib vs. Con thing; I think of myself as liberal and have no problem with the death of Osama. Anyway, the main reason I came back to this thread was to post an article that parallels the excellent one you posted earlier; it was on page 3 of today's Los Angeles Times. Al Qaeda loses sway in Arab world In the revolutions in the Middle East and North Africa, Arabs have found new ways to change their circumstances without waging a 'holy war.' By Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times Reporting from Cairo— The austere image of a tall, turbaned man battling the West from a cave inspired young Islamist warriors for years. But when Osama bin Laden died, his virulent brand of jihad had been all but extinguished by the "Arab Spring" that found more potent and peaceful ways to reshape the world. Al Qaeda-inspired militants still roam the mountains of Yemen and along the dangerous coast of Somalia. For many Arabs, though, Bin Laden's appeal had waned in the lexicon of Facebook and Twitter; he had become akin to an oldies rock 'n' roll act, an antiquated icon in a new era of revolution. The pro-democracy movements that overthrew the autocratic regimes in Tunisia and Egypt accomplished in weeks what militants couldn't in decades. Radical and ultraconservative Muslims temper their screeds these days to speak to a Middle East and North Africa that crave jobs and freedoms over religious extremism and "holy war" that have led to promises of paradise but few earthly rewards. "Many of us never really understood what exactly is jihad," said Nader Hazem, a 27-year-old engineer in Cairo. "Blowing ourselves up anywhere there is an infidel? And what will it lead to? What will Islam gain if Bin Laden is successful with every attack against Western targets he plans?" That is not to suggest that Bin Laden's philosophy has lost all resonance. The cafe bombing that killed 16 people in Morocco last week is testament to the stunning brutality that can rip through a city street. Before NATO airstrikes against Moammar Kadafi's forces last month, a Libyan rebel said that if the West didn't help, he and others might turn to Al Qaeda as a last resort. Weeks later, with French jets and U.S. missiles streaking the sky, it was American flags, not posters of Bin Laden, that fluttered during Friday prayers in the rebel capital of Benghazi. The Arab world has changed much since Sept. 11, 2001, when many across the Mideast cheered as the World Trade Center towers collapsed. The U.S.-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq spurred thousands more young Muslim men toward Al Qaeda training camps in the rugged terrain of Pakistan. But years of jihad proved bloody, fruitless and, in a large sense, counterproductive. Suicide bombers in Baghdad targeted not only infidels but also fellow Muslims, leading to disillusionment and the gradual erosion of Bin Laden's mystique. "We are so glad to hear that news," said Sheik Muhammed Hayis from Iraq's Anbar province, once a stronghold of Al Qaeda disciples. "All orphans, widows and people who suffered that butcher should be happy now.... The killing of Bin Laden is victory for all humanity, not only for Americans." Col. Raad Ali, who helped lead the Sunni fight against the Al Qaeda affiliate in west Baghdad in 2007, said the group's religious extremism and indiscriminate killing cost it support not long after its fighters had been welcomed. "At the beginning, they talked about very different things, about liberation and freedom and kicking out the Americans and said, 'We will help you,' " Ali said. "Many Iraqis believed them, but after a while Iraqis discovered this was a lie. And they discovered they [Qaeda] were big killers. The group killed thousands of Sunnis and Shiites." The decline in Bin Laden's allure has been dramatic. A survey done by the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project found that in 2003 Bin Laden had the support of 56% of Jordanians. By this year, that figure had dropped to 13%. Over the same years in Indonesia, those numbers fell from 59% to 26%. And in Turkey, which ranks high in anti-American attitudes, confidence in Bin Laden fell from 15% to 3%. Yet some predict Bin Laden's death at the hands of U.S. special forces will bring a wave of reprisals. It has "left a wound. It has dealt a blow to our morale and has amplified the feeling of oppression," said Sheik bin Salem Shahhal, the son of the man recognized as the founder of the religiously ultraconservative Salafist movement in Lebanon. "But this has only made Islamic Salafist movements even more intent on seeking revenge." Ismail Haniyeh, the prime minister of the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip, was quoted by Reuters as saying: "We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood." Al Qaeda's attacks have been visceral and cinematic, providing fleeting release for pent-up rage but doing little to heal the Arab world's larger problems of poverty, political repression and corruption. It wasn't a terrorist plot that brought down Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak; it was hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters from across society demanding better lives. The concern for moderates in the region, however, is that the Arab Spring may be hijacked by extremist voices. Salafists in Egypt and other countries are finding political parties to advance their religious agendas. The conservative wing of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood supports Hamas, which considers Bin Laden a martyr. What is unfolding is an intense competition between pro-democracy secularists and fundamentalist Islamists to shape a new generation of political thought. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda forced both moderate and extremist Muslims to examine harsh strands of Islam and their influences on government and society. This debate is far from over, but Washington and Europe, as well as religious moderates in Cairo and liberals in Tunis, are hoping for a renaissance that will make the region more tolerant, democratically inclined and open to the West. Hatred of the West filtered through his fiery vision of the Koran was Bin Laden's cachet for years. After generations of colonialism and the failed dream of Arab nationalism, the Middle East had sought a hero against what it regarded as a soulless West that co-opted Arab leaders, denied Palestinians a homeland and siphoned away oil. "Bin Laden was someone that we unintentionally supported over the years," said Abdel Rahman el Nemr, a 30-year-old communications engineer in Cairo. "It was a mental thing. Despite disagreeing with many of his extreme thoughts and his practicing and inciting violence against non-Muslims, millions of Muslims all over the world, including myself, sometimes regarded him as a symbol of fighting against American and Western tyranny." But that, say many Arabs, was yesterday. "All the rhetoric that Bin Laden and his allies were using against Arab governments no longer applies," said Riad Kahwaji, an analyst and director of the Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis, a privately funded think tank based in Beirut and Dubai, United Arab Emirates. "That's why we see the Salafists talk about participation and the Muslim Brotherhood [in Egypt] modifying its agenda and meeting the seculars halfway." Bin Laden's violence against innocents brought stereotypes and discrimination against Muslims that may take years to overcome. "He actually harmed Islam more than anyone else," said Amal Kamal Din, an Egyptian dentist. "He always spoke of Western injustice toward Islam while everything he did helped increase and justify this injustice against us." Some Muslims were in disbelief of his death Monday, saying Bin Laden had once again slipped away, tricking the West. Others were confused. For so long he had loomed large, a graying warrior with a rifle and combat fatigues, winding along mountain paths, a conspiracy theorist's dream. "His death doesn't really mean anything to me," said Hazem, the Cairo engineer. "I've always regarded him as a terrorist who was made a scarecrow by the U.S and the West to make the whole world fear Islam and pursue their certain interests in the Middle East." Photos: Osama bin Laden's death jeffrey.fleishman@latimes.com Times staff writers Borzou Daragahi in Beirut and Ned Parker and Salar Jaff in Cairo, Amro Hassan of The Times' Cairo bureau, and special correspondents Roula Hajjar in Beirut and Alsanosi Ahmed in Khartoum, Sudan, contributed to this report. Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

And this one is for Deborah J, who LOVES her Ice Cream Man: Ice Cream Man Live in Memphis, 9-1-81 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9HKPHjOQB0

These next clips aren't the best quality...but they're from a September 1, 1981 show at the Mid-South Coliseum in Memphis, TN...so I'm picturing some of the fine Southern Belles on this message board at the show. Sunday Afternoon in the Park & Romeo Delight - Memphis, TN 9-1-81 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouY2r-QkkXQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovIPIEu1dxw&feature=related

What, you thought I could stop at just 2 clips? Hell no...gotta have some more 1981 VH clips...time to get UNCHAINED!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SafuhroDXyE&feature=related

Except that it's not an intro to the solo, it actually comes AFTER the solo. But it's still a classic Dave-and-Ted moment. Great clip of Mean Street, Jahfin...but by 1983, the bloom was a little off the rose. Dave's hair was looking terrible and his concert raps were getting stale, and you could get the sense that the band's comraderie was not at its best. The whole DLR-era VH from 1977-1984 was great, but the 1980-81 tours were VH's PEAK concert-wise: Dave was still fresh and energetic, Eddie's tone was amazing, and Alex's drumkit hadn't yet gone beyond the ridiculous stage into parody. So, here you go Rover, and all of you other Fair Warning fans...here's some PRIME 1981 LIVE Van Halen, starting with the Rover's 2 favourite tracks back-to-back: "Sinner's Swing" and"Hear About It Later": Sinner's Swing is a mix of 1981 Chicago video and audio from 1981 LA Forum.

^^Do you guys have to bicker on every thread? And why do you both show up together at the same time all the time? I'm beginning to think you two are one person having a laugh. Anyhow, this footage is not that complicated to figure out. It's obviously from an NBC news report, and as such, the news crew had to get permission to shoot footage inside the venue. The typical routine for this is that bands will allow them to shoot the first five minutes of a show...hence, that is why you get "Rock and Roll", as it was the first song of the night. Perhaps they might finagle permission from the manager to shoot footage of the fans, but only if they don't include footage of the band past the "first 5 minute" time limit. So, that footage of the screaming fans you see in the above clip was shot during the encore break between "Stairway to Heaven" and "WWL/Black Dog". It is most assuredly NOT fan-shot footage; no fan was going to be allowed to roam the venue with an external light-source beaming into people's eyes, and the Rock and Roll footage was taken from the photo-pit in front of the stage. I would say, given the length of the news report, that this is all the cameraman shot for the report...there is no extra footage.

Methinks you posted this in the wrong thread; maybe you meant to post it in the "Articles about Led Zeppelin" thread. You have an article dated May 2, 2011, referencing ANOTHER article dated May 5, 1990, about an event that happened on April 28, 1990. And as usual for Rolling Stone, it's full of malarkey. The writer forgets that the band played at the Atlantic Records 40th Birthday concert in 1988, so no, Jason Bonham's wedding was NOT the first time in five years that they had got together. And, really Stacey, a "catalyst for the band's biggest reunion to date"? Noun 1. catalyst - (chemistry) a substance that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected 2. catalyst - something that causes an important event to happen; "the invasion acted as a catalyst to unite the country" Yeah, it took ONLY 17 years for them to get together again for the Ahmet Ertegun Memorial Tribute concert. Not quite what I'd call a "catalyst"; hell, Robert Plant had reinvented himself several times over in that span from 1990 to 2007. Anyway, I think its best for the purity of this thread to keep it simple; just post about events that happened on the day that they occurred...like Deborah J has been doing all this time. Any articles and such should be posted in the "articles" section.