All the "Time" albums are good...there is a box set that collects all 5 of the Columbia "Time" albums in one handy set...it's called "Dave Brubeck: For All Time". It contains remastered editions of "Time Out"; "Time Further Out"; "Countdown: Time in Outer Space"; "Time Changes"; and "Time In". Track listings are as follows: Disc 1: Time Out Blue Rondo A La Turk Strange Meadowlark Take Five Three To Get Ready Kathy's Waltz Everybody's Jumpin' Pick Up Sticks Disc 2: Time Further Out It's A Raggy Waltz Bluette Charles Mathew Halleujah Far More Blue Far More Drums Maori Blues Unsquare Dance Bru's Boogie Woogie Blue Shadows In The Street Slow And Easy It's A Raggy Waltz (Live At Carnegie Hall) Disc 3: Countdown:Time In Outer Space Countdown Eleven Four Why Phillis Waltz Someday My Prince Will Come Castilian Blues Castilian Drums Fast Life Waltz Limp Three's A Crowd Dance Duet Back To Earth Fatha Disc 4: Time Changes Iberia Unisphere Shim Wha World's Fair Cable Car Theme From Elementals Elementals Disc 5: Time In Lost Waltz Softly, William, Softley Time In Forty Days Travellin' Blues He Done Her Wrong Lonesome Cassandra Rude Old Man Who Said That? Watusi Drums I am also partial to Brubeck's "Jazz Goes to College"; "Jazz at Oberlin"; "Jazz: Red, Hot and Cool"; "Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall"; and "Bravo! Brubeck" which features one of the sweetest Paul Desmond sax solos you will ever hear on the song "La Paloma Azul"(The Blue Dove).

Natch! Yes...and the Telephone, too!

I ran away from home so I could go to all three Forum shows. Very heavy shows...much heavier and mysterious vibe than 1973 shows. I recall famous LA radio dj JJ Jackson and Linda Lovelace introducing the band at the last show...I think JJ Jackson introduced them at first gig too, but can't remember the third person who intro'd the band. Things that stuck out from these shows: As usual with a Zeppelin show they were LOUD AS HELL! Bonzo's drums and Jonesy's bass punched a wall in my chest and made a cozy little home for themselves inside me gut while Jimmy's guitar strafed my brain. Physical Graffiti songs sounded GREAT and I wished they had played more from the album. Jimmy's bow section from D & C was getting more and more choreographed with the smoke and lights...compared to the 1972 shows it is light years beyond. Jimmy looked more like a rock star at the 1975 LA Forum shows than he did at the Forum in 1973. He wore the black dragon suit; white pants with a flowery shirt/blouse with a tassle or scarf tied around his waist; and the "TSRTS" outfit (at the 1973 Forum shows he apparently hadn't had that outfit yet as he didn't wear it at all). Not sure which night he wore what, but I am pretty certain the black dragon outfit was worn at the last Forum show. I thought Jones looked cool as fuck with his "card shark/croupier" outift of black vest over black shirt and black pants. And his hair looked stylish short like that. I loved that they did "Woodstock" during D & C, as I thought this suited the dark mood of the song better than "San Francisco". These would be the last D & C's ever performed in America, too. No Quarter was great as usual, one of Zep's perennial great concert songs. I loved how funky the band got during Trampled and mixing in almost complete versions of The Crunge into Whole Lotta Love, along with all sorts of James Brown grooves. The Song Remains the Same/Rain Song...just as in 1973 an awesome 1-2 combo. For me these songs should always be played together in concert. Another highlight...snogging with my girl during the show, hehe. I also went to the second Long Beach Arena show on the 1975 tour, on March 12. In my mind that show was a winner, too...maybe even better than the Forum shows as far as performance goes. As for atmosphere, that's another matter as Long Beach Arena just couldn't compete with the aura of the Forum. Sadly, I still don't have anything from the LA Forum shows...I've got the "Taking No Prisoners Tonight" from the 3.12.75 Long Beach show but that's it. Getting the 75 Forum shows is next on my "to do" list.

Not surprised by this at all...if you've spent any time in the political threads at the Ramble On section you'll see that there are plenty of conservative/ Republican fans of Led Zeppelin. As Michael Jordan once said, "Republicans buy shoes too."

Just one of many mistakes in this book...get it for the pictures if you must(but even some of them are mis-dated) and the Burroughs-Page article...but as an authoritative source, you'll have to look elsewhere. Thanks SteveAJones for the e-mail from the reporter...it does give one pause and suggests this gig MIGHT well have happened. I mean, could so many people mis-remember a show like that?

I was being sarcastic.

The best Dark Star I saw the Grateful Dead do was my first one, Sept. 10, 1972 at the Hollywood Palladium...30 to 40 minutes of bliss.

Oh yeah, now I remember, haha. Wasn't it one of his house-sitters at the time that stole all those soundboards and tapes from Jimmy in the early 80's?

They weren't at Bath the weekend of Woodstock; Bath was in June. Here is where they played the weekend of Woodstock August 15-17, 1969: 8.15.69 San Antonio, Texas 8.16.69 Asbury Park, New Jersey 8.17.69 Wallingford, Connecticut As for Woodstock, I think in the long run it helped that they didn't play Woodstock. Think about it; just about every act that supposedly got a "boost" from appearing at Woodstock and in the film, either was dead shortly after, or "Woodstock" remained their peak and they never stayed popular or relevant. It was like the acts that appeared in the movie were frozen in amber, forever destined to be remain tied to that whole "hippie thing" and stuck in the 60's. Jimi Hendrix, dead. Janis, dead. Canned Heat? Never amounted to anything after Woodstock...same goes for Ten Years After, John Sebastian, Country Joe McDonald, Jefferson Airplane, Joe Cocker. None of these bands went on to do much in the 70's and I think part of the reason is that people looked at them as "Woodstock" bands, bands of the past, not the future(the decade of the 70's). So, in a way, it was a blessing that Zeppelin was playing elsewhere that weekend. Because of that, I think it helped them be perceived by the kids as something fresh, new and exciting...not your father's or older brother's hippie music. This reminds me of one of the inane things written by Jon Bream in that new book, "Whole Lotta Led", which if you want to look at pictures is okay, but it is filled with factual errors and bullshit opinions by Mr. Bream. In fact, the only redeeming factor is that it reprints in its entirety the famous William Burroughs-Jimmy Page interview from the 1975 Crawdaddy magazine(a copy of which I have buried in my archives), conducted while the band was playing their New York shows that February. Anyway, back to Bream...in the book he states that Zeppelin didn't want to play Woodstock because they feared not being able to stand out from the crowd. PLEASE...what utter bullshit. First of all, they played other festivals that year, often with many of the same bands that played Woodstock. And seriously, do you really think Led Zeppelin thought they couldn't distinguish themselves from the likes of Sha Na Na and John Sebastian and Jefferson Airplane? Give me a break. The Who and Grateful Dead were pretty much the only ones to survive Woodstock and go on through the 70's with their integrity and popularity intact.

Did I miss something? Who is Mr. Langley and what does Jimmy have to do with his case?

Bob Dylan is in my All-time Top 10. Can't wait for the new album...and will probably get two versions(see below) 1. Limited Edition CD/DVD $17.99 10 new songs including "Beyond Here Lies Nothing" Bonus CD of Bob Dylan's "Theme Time Radio Hour," ("Friends & Neighbors" episode) DVD of "Roy Silver - The Lost Interview" Together Through Life collectible poster & sticker 2. Vinyl $23.99 10 new songs including "Beyond Here Lies Nothing," "Life Is Hard" & "It's All Good" Pressed on 180 gram vinyl Also contains the entire album on CD

Don't know which version you have, but on mine it starts a little muddy but becomes clearer after a couple songs...but yeah, you can tell the taper was either in the upper deck or way back as there is lots of echo and the sound is boomy in the bottom end. Only an average sounding audience tape...but you can, or at least I can, still detect how well the band is playing and how the crowd is reacting. My favourite Plantation from this show is when Plant says(I think it's after Dazed) "I don't know the name of the local football team but they've been playing down in front for an hour and a half." Hahaha classic Plant!

Listening to Boston Cream Pie again(July 20, 1973 @ Boston Garden) and I am again struck at how you can feel the excitement and sheer pandemonium the band is stirring up come through the tape...the audience is going bonkers! This is how I remember the 1973 tour, when the band became HUGE SUPERSTARS and the crowds were filled with lots of first-time fans, thanks to the extra publicity of being the band that broke the Beatles record for attendance for a single act. Also, Led Zeppelin IV had now been out for over a year and by now radio had ingrained just about every track on the album into every teenagers head, with Stairway to Heaven, of course, becoming THE anthem of the 70's. If you reflect back, the 1971 US tour actually occurred before the ZOSO album was released and the 1972 tour was rather short and overshadowed by the media because of the Stones tour the same summer. So, as popular as Led Zeppelin IV was, that album never got a proper major tour in support of it. So by 1973, fans had plenty of time to get to know Zeppelin IV and there was a lot of pent-up demand from fans that didn't get a chance to see them in 1972; there was a buzz building before that tour that just wasn't there in 1972. The fact that "Houses of the Holy", which featured no less than 5 soon-to-be concert classics on that 1973 tour, was just released was just icing on the cake. So, when you listen to the Boston 73 show and you hear the ecstatic reaction of the crowd, the agony of the show is that THIS concert would prove to be the last one the band played in Boston. Which, when you consider how Boston was one of the first cities to embrace Zeppelin via the legendary Boston Tea Party shows and the Boston Garden shows, makes it all the more sad Led Zeppelin never got to play there again after 1973. In 1975, fans tore apart the Garden while waiting for tickets to go on sale for the 75 tour, and Boston city officials, never the most understanding of the rock culture in the best of times, banned the group from playing Boston. Hence, the lack of a Boston stop on the 1977 tour. Such a shame, as like LA, they seemed to play some of their best gigs in Boston.

Dude, you gotta get Humble Pie's "Rockin' the Fillmore"! It is MANDATORY...it should be in every rock fan's collection! Any Allman Brothers and Grateful Dead shows will feature lots of jamming; but try to stick to 60's-early 70's stuff. After Duane Allman and Pigpen died, it wasn't the same for either band. "Reba" by Phish is one of my favourite jams by them, often going into unexpected waters and leading into other songs. One of my personal favourite "Reba" is from the October 29, 1998 show at the Greek Theatre in L.A. Try to find it at your usual trading sites. "You Enjoy Myself", "David Bowie", "Moma Dance" are other cool jams by Phish. I would also suggest you check out the Soft Machine, particularly the first four albums: 1. The Soft Machine 1968 2. Volume Two 1969 3. Third 1970 4. Fourth 1971 More in the psychedelic-prog-jazz vein(think Miles Davis Bitches Brew-era) than your usual rock band, the Robert Wyatt(drums, vocals) years are the best; after he left in 1971 things weren't the same. There have been some cool reissues of 1970-71 period live shows recently...check 'em out.

Brett WHO?

Thanks...it's weird, I don't remember seeing that bass on the 75 tour...but then, I was probably half-baked. Funny, on that Achilles site you linked, they left out some gear of Jonesy; namely the stand-up bass he used for Bron-Y-Aur Stomp in concert and his infamous triple-necked acoustic guitar(six- and twelve-string and mandolin).

October 7, 1988 LA Forum. After the disaster of the Atlantic Records reunion, I was nervous as to how Jimmy would play, as I was bringing someone who had never seen Jimmy play before. Much to my relief and joy, Jimmy played great(there's something about LA that seems to bring out the best in him)...and you could just FEEL the love for the man in that room! The good vibes were palpable...everybody was happy to see Jimmy back on stage, back at the Forum where so many of us have such wonderful memories of Zeppelin shows past, and we all wanted to see him do well and waves of love were being sent his way by each and every one of us in the crowd. It was fascinating hearing the Death Wish II material and the Outrider songs hold up better than some people might realize. Of course, the Zep stuff was the big draw; In My Time of Dying was incredible, Over the Hills, the bow segment leading into Dazed and Confused, Train Kept a Rollin'...topped by the Stairway instrumental with all of us flicking our bics! What a sight! Best thing about the show was that, after the Atlantic reunion, this tour somewhat rescusitated his rep and showed he could still blaze on guitar when he wanted to. Now Jimmy, how about a second solo record and tour, eh?

Well, since talking about Jonesy's kick ass bass runs on Celebration Day, that got me to wondering about the bass he used around 1970-71, the one that looks like it is unfinished wood, very plain looking. Do any of you gearheads know the make and model of this bass and why Jones stopped using it? Was he using this bass on songs like Celebration Day and Heartbreaker on those early tours? If he was, it's a shame he stopped, as the bass on those songs during the 71 tour sounds sweet. I also think the whole understated wood look is very cool.

You're welcome...and thank you for the compliment, Knebby. Coming from you, that's an honour.

Hmmm, the only 1971 Japan show I have is the 9.29 Osaka..."You were there in spirits" ffrom EVSD. But more to the point, yes I LOVE CELEBRATION DAY and so dearly wish they had played it more often. In fact, badgeholder you beat me to the punch. I was recently listening to some of the 1971 shows I had(Hampton, Osaka, Orlando) and every time I am just floored by the slamming groove Jonesy and Bonzo lay down for this song on the 1971 tour. But even though they changed the rhythm a bit for the 1973 tour, it's still a great song to hear in concert. Whenever I went to a Zep concert, Celebration Day was always on my list of songs I wanted to hear that night. First year seeing them in 1972, got no CB. But what a treat to see them do it at the 1973 shows. Wish they would have kept it for 75 and 77...would have gladly traded Black Dog for more Celebration Day. I told this story on the old board, but since there are new members here I'll briefly rehash: From the time I became a Zeppelin fan in 1969 I had dreams of seeing them in concert. Problem was I was very young and for most of the early tours, Zeppelin always seemed to play Los Angeles during the school year. But when the 1971 tour was announced, I couldn't believe my luck: the LA shows were in August...no school nights to worry about! Unfortunately, there was one problem: my parents said I had to wait until I was 10 before they would let me go to a rock concert. In August '71 I was merely 9. They said I was too young to be exposed to loud noise and questionable people, lol! So I had to wait until the next tour in 1972 to finally see Zeppelin. But now, whenever I listen to the 1971 shows and those killer versions of Celebration Day(played on the double-neck) I get steamed at how I was robbed at being able to witness those 71 Forum shows in person by one measly year. As Maxwell Smart would say: "Missed it by THAT much."

First of all, are you referring to ACTUAL ORIGINAL TOUR MERCHANDISE or to the phony made-up stuff that Hot Topic, Urban Outfitters and other retailers are selling these days? I crack up every time I see people wearing these fake Zep, Stones and Pink Floyd "tour" shirts. But basically, the reason why you will see more merchandise from the '77 tour is the fact that the band didn't really start to merchandise themselves until then...and it was also the most recent and longest of the major US tours they did over their career. It was no more or less IMPORTANT than their 1969 or 1973(pick a year) US tours...it was just the most recent. Fans who bought a shirt in 1977 have had less time to lose it or ruin it changing the oil in their car than fans who bought shirts in 1973. I can't recall seeing much in the way of concert t-shirts and stuff at the '72 shows. Hell, from 1969 to 1972 the band used the same group picture on their concert announcements in the LA Times, so you could see the band didn't really put much effort into the selling of merchandise...I mean, they couldn't even be bothered to change the promo picture used in their ads. Things changed a little for the 1973 tour as they finally hired some outsiders to help with publicity...this is when BP Fallon and Danny Goldberg joined the Zeppelin circus. This is when you started seeing Zep getting more notice in the mainstream press, and you started seeing more Zep t-shirts and baubles and books on the band, etc. But still, compared to today the tour shirts of 1973 and '75 were very primitive basic affairs. By 1977 however, Led Zeppelin, and the rock world at large, was starting to see how much fan demand(and fan money) there was for band merchandise; especially after seeing how KISS marketed themselves exhaustively. That's when you started to see an increase in the quality and quantity of merchandise available at concerts. So if you consider the fact that the 1977 tour was played to more people than their earlier tours and the fact that more effort was put into making merchandise available and the very important scientific fact that a shirt from 1977 is already over 30 years old, which makes it even more improbable that t-shirts from 1975, '73 and earlier are even still in one piece seeing as how they are going on 40 years old...add it all up and it makes sense that if any Zeppelin merch from those 70's tours has survived it is going to be the most recent one. Hence the dominance of the '77 tour in the stuff that you see these days. Now, to address the recent posts: Enough with this malarkey about the 77 tour being the 'doom and gloom' tour. Things happened, sure, but most had nothing to do with the band themselves; ie. ticket riots or Karac's passing. Lots of fan disturbance went on in 1975, too...and earlier tours also had their share(Milan 1971 ring a bell?). If anything, I thought the vibe of the band was much lighter than the 75 tour...Plant was in hilarious "Plantation" form at all the 77 shows I saw. The return of the acoustic set helped to bring a fun atmosphere to the concerts. I saw four guys who were having the time of their lives playing for 3 and 1/2 hours or more for the fans. I didn't see any reluctance to being there by anyone. After being inactive on the road for 2 years because of Plant's injury, I saw a band that was relieved and overjoyed to see their singer was back and could withstand the rigors of the road and were enthusiastic about being able to be a working touring band again. As for the poster who said Plant's voice was in terrible shape...what are you talking about? Because after the vocal problems and surgery he had in 1973, the Plant I saw in 1977 was in the strongest voice he'd been since at least 1972. I'm sorry if I've rambled on too long, but it irks me when people who weren't even there pass judgement on the 1977 tour, mainly it seems from either dodgy info they read about in the Richard Cole and Stephen Davis books, or inferior bootlegs...hell, even the best bootlegs ie. Mike Millard's tapes can't show you 100% what it was like to be at the concert. The loudness, the aura of the band, the physicality...it sounds trite, but you really had to be there.

Pretty self-explanatory...it's a P.O.V. clip of the Zeppelin roller-coaster ride at the Hard Rock Park in Myrtle Beach, S.C. so you can pretend you are riding it yourself. Apologies if this has been posted already but after looking through I didn't see it here, so I'm posting it now: Sad news, the park went bankrupt and had to close, but I hear there is a new buyer and the park will reopen this year...hopefully they will keep the Zeppelin ride.

HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!! Yes, it's an American invention, and by all means stay away from the green beer...no self-respecting Irish would go near such an abomination...but hey, it's another excuse to have fun so it can't be all bad. Just stick with the true Irish greats like Guinness, Beamish, or Murphy's Irish Stout...or Irish coffee if you don't fancy beer. Just so you know, and you might win a few bar bets with this info, there were never any snakes in Ireland for St. Patrick to drive out; Ireland has been snake-free since the Ice Age. Oh, and if anyone tries to pinch you if you're not wearing green, tell them to cool it; people were pinched for wearing ORANGE, as that was the color of the Protestants in Ireland, whereas green signified the Catholics. But you don't need to wear green on St. Patrick's Day...just stay away from orange and you'll be fine. Besides, if you're Irish, you don't need to wear green as your blood is green anyway, haha! Ta, Sean(half-Irish)

Excellent, Zepp-4-Life, EXCELLENT! Many thanks to you and Photonbeam for sharing such great anecdotes with us...THIS is why I come here, to find out behind the scenes info like this. It is highly instructive to compare Photonbeam's experience on the 1977 and later tours with Danny Goldberg's reminisces about the 1973 tour in his new book "Bumping into Genuises". In that book, Goldberg tells how the band was very exacting about their sound and would spend much time soundchecking to make sure everything was perfect. By 1977 we can see that the band pretty much left it up to the crew to worry about the soundcheck. That, coupled with the band's inactivity for over a month when the tour was delayed and the band's equipment was already in the US and it is no wonder the 1977 tour got off to a spotty start. Any chance photonbeam is going to write a book...maybe get together with that stewardess that worked the Starship, hehehe. One last thing I gotta say to photonbeam: Hey, I LOVED the rotating color lights during Trampled Underfoot!

It's going good ZFF! Thanks for asking. But might I suggest you don't need to quote my whole post when you reply, especially when you're the first one to reply...I'm sure people wil be able to figure out what you are replying to, and this way you'll save bandwidth and will save other people from having to scroll endlessly through your post just to get to your reply.