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This was the 1st US edition it has a silver disc with a red logo and rim, made in Japan.
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It may have something to do with the recent UK (European?) copyright laws that declare any sound recording becomes public domain if there isn't a physical release of it within 50 years after it is made.
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Better yet, tell us what's etched in the trailout.
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6 hours ago, Strider said:
Something else that has crossed my mind. Everyone says that Mike Millard hated the bootleggers and the release dates on most of his tapes seem to bear this out.
With one exception, every Mike Millard show I got was via trading for cassette tapes long before they showed up pressed on vinyl or cd in the mid-'80s and 1990s. The Led Zeppelin 1975 Long Beach Arena and L.A. Forum, 1977 San Diego and L.A. Forum shows; Pink Floyd 1975 Sports Arena, 1975 Eric Clapton, 1977 Yes.
I had cassettes of these for years before they ever came out on the bootleg market.
That one exception was the Rolling Stones at the Forum in 1975. Growing up in Orange County in the 1970s there were several places to get bootlegs...Raspberry Roach in Huntington Beach and most memorably, Beggar's Banquet in Anaheim (city of Disneyland and the Angels). When my family moved to Riverside, I surprisingly found another bootleg vendor in the middle of hicksville.
Right after the Stones tour finished in July of 1975, Beggar's Banquet had for sale the L.A. Forum bootlegs put out by Idle Minds..."L.A. Friday" and "Who Went to Church This Sunday". It was a quicker turnaround than when the Led Zep "Destroyer" bootleg appeared in 1977 after the Cleveland show.
The owner of Beggar's Banquet was one Vicky Vinyl, aka Andrea Waters. Jim Washburn was her partner and Idle Minds was her bootleg baby. She openly bragged about procuring Mike Millard's tapes of the Rolling Stones at the Forum in 1975. Perhaps she bragged a little too loudly, as her shop got raided by the FBI several times.
So how did she get them so quick if not from Mike Millard himself? Anyone who has knowledge and cares to shed light on this, please do.
This likely was the incident that made Mike hate bootleggers.
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The red flags for me are the 'unreleased' and 'from the yet to be released...' text on the labels. No cutting technician or whoever would write anything subjective like that on a legitimate acetate.
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The thinner cover with the darker brown is later - If it has a catalog # 8236, it's from the early to mid-seventies; if it's 19128, its from 1977 or later.
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III and IV are original first pressings. With II, check the fine print at the bottom of the label - if the address is 1841 Broadway, it's a first. If it's Rockefeller Plaza, It would date to 1974. If it is a first, ; check the run-out etchings on both sides. If you see 'RL' then you can buy 500 lottery tickets and win a billion dollars.
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I'm sure I started a thread about this... the only responses I got mentioned the Puff Daddy song from Godzilla...
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I will never justify paying the going rate for the 70 LP 'The Final Option', especially since I have all but 4 of the individual titles that make up the set.
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That poster is identical to the US promo, which does turn up on ebay a few times a year and goes for around $150-200.
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I have been told (on this forum I believe) that the girl on the back cover was also the model on the front cover of 'Houses'.
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23 hours ago, Cantrip said:
Anyone know the difference between The Destroyer Red Box and White Box by Empress Valley?
Check the dates - probably one is from April 27; the other April 28.
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I have the test press but never played it because the condition is iffy. I'll have to check it now.
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On 2/15/2016 at 3:20 PM, SteveAJones said:
Not to my knowledge there hasn't. Seems to me alt mixes like that would have already surfaced on bootleg or in the recent remasters series if they did in fact exist.
I have heard the same thing about the 'ATCO'-style label press http://www.vjez.com/zep/default.asp?pagina=us33 . I have both and if the mixes have differences, I didn't notice them. The test pressing is mono, but is just a 'fold-down' of the stereo version. The 'ATCO' version has a pause between Black Mountainside and Communication Breakdown while the standard edition doesn't.
There was a big discussion on the Steve Hoffman board that has needle drops for comparison.
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I think that is worth at least $200.
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So Monarch pressings are considered superior to the others?
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I bought my copy 12 years ago for 30 euro.
That is right about the time and price I got my copy, from a seller in Italy whose Ebay store had nothing but new bootlegs.
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I am surprised how many people think this bootleg release is legitimate; here is a current Ebay auction:
Of course, it is two loonies fighting out but their feedback numbers show they ought to know better. There are also arguments on Discogs about this, with the people arguing that it's 'official' obviously being sellers wanting to maintain the inflated values.
I was wondering if anyone here knows more about the origin of this. I have not seen itmentioned in any guidebook and always assumed it was released in the mid to late 90's.
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I thought the article mistaking the Firm's drummer for the Midnight Oil singer was amusing, plus itlet me dimiss the rest of it without having to read it.
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Hey Hey What Can I Do.
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They definitely have a case; Men at Work losing the lawsuit over the Kookaburra song (which was specious at best0 aleady opened that can o' worms.
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'Destroyer is 4/27/77'. There are 2 versions, both use the DRGM label. The 'first' edition is from Europe and is supposed to have superior sound but all the 'Plantations' are edited out. This has the blue cover with a close-up of Jimmy. The US edition is inferior and has several variations; the most valuable are the plastic case version and one that came on colored vinyl.
'THE Destroyer' is 4/28 and shows the battle scene on the cover. It is an audience recording. I got this info from Robert Godwin's collector's guide - anyone even slightly interested should seek it out.
I don't know what your internet problem is but if you google Led +Zeppelin +Destroyer you should get pages of hits. Here is a site that tracks eBay sales:
http://collectorsfrenzy.com/search?q=led+zeppelin+destroyer&search-button=
First Pressings of In Through the Out Door
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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I was recently told the copies that had brown print on the outer bag are 1st pressings, and the ones with blue came out later. I don't know if that's true.