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Mattmc1973

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  1. Though it's not known for sure, it's widely thought that the rehearsal boot "Johnny Kidd & The Pirates" was recorded earlier that day in Chicago, before the show. They ran through these '50's rock and roll oldies... 1. Schooldays 2. Nadine 3. Round And Round 4. Go, Go, Go 5. Love Me Like A Hurricane 6. Move it 7. Dynamite 8. Shakin' All Over 9. Hungry For Love 10. I'll Never Get Over You 11. Reelin' And Rockin' It's thought that Robert's voice was shredded at the concert that night after singing all these songs that day. I've also read that it could be a '75 rehearsal, but I don't think that adds up. Robert's voice and Jimmy's guitar tone point to '73.
  2. 8/23/71 in Fort Worth, TX. Just a scorching version. The unbalanced recording helps in this case, as the taper was in front of Jimmy's side and the guitar is very prominent in the tape. Blazing playing by Jimmy and Robert in very strong and high voice.
  3. Official releases of any of the German shows from March '73, when they were at their all-time hottest instrumentally. Vienna, for example...awesome.
  4. Absolutely, Jimmy was a mess. Bonzo was a drunk, he died of a self-inflicted mishap. But Jimmy was in much worse shape overall. He was just lucky he didn't die.
  5. Yeah, I'm not talking about comparing Plant's voice now to his voice in the 70's. I'm talking about his voice in '72 then in '73. From '69-'72 he could hit the notes, from '73 on he couldn't. I would think that if I went to a concert in '73 or '75 I would've noticed he was singing much different than he did a year or two earlier, and much different than on the records. Of course the shows would've ruled anyway, but it wouldn't have gone unnoticed. And it's not like NO ONE noticed back then. I recall a bootleg, I believe from '75, where the taper is heard saying near the microphone "his voice sounds like shit, man!!" Lol.
  6. In hindsight, all of us bootleg nerds are keenly aware of the evolution of RP's voice. How from 69-72 he was hitting high notes like crazy, on albums and in concert. In late 72 he started struggling and it evolved from there. He sang in lower registers, was no longer a "screamer" like early on. But what did fans at the time think of it? Say you were a Zep fan in 75 and went to a concert. Maybe you'd seen them in 71 when his voice was in full force, or maybe it was your first time. As you sat there listening to the concert, did you think "man, what's up with his voice? LZ IV only came out 4 years ago and he totally can't sing like on the album. What happened?!" As they're sitting there listening to live versions of 'Rock and Roll', 'Stairway to Heaven', or 'Black Dog' being sung in much lower registers, were they keenly aware of it? Did they not care and were just pumped to be seeing Zep in concert, or did they all leave and in the parking lot have discussions about Plant's voice? Anyone here who saw them live, was it a topic of conversation, or did you not care?
  7. I'm sure acquiring these soundboards to release them isn't free.
  8. Agreed. I loved his bass tone pre-77. I don't like any bass where I can actually hear the strings rattling. I want to hear that nice warm "boom boom boom" sound, not the metallic strings reverberating.
  9. Take your pick of the shows from Germany in March '73. Their highest point, musically.
  10. Their live shows pretty much lived and died with Jimmy. JPJ and Bonzo were pretty much always solid. The difference between a great show, a decent show, and a bad show pretty much laid with the state of Jimmy and his playing. If you were to graph Jimmy's playing ability, fluency, speed, and accuracy from '73-'80, it would pretty much be a straight line downward. I don't think there's any reason to believe that trend would have reversed in the fall of '80. If you look at how frail and sickly he looked in '83 at the ARMS shows, you get a good idea of where he was trending. The America '80 shows would have been shorter, more compact, no jamming, with Jimmy doing a bad to decent job, depending on the night. I doubt you would have had much of the "old fire" from him in many shows.
  11. Robert has spent 33 years not wanting to do it. As they say in behavioral psychology circles, "the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior." It's not EVER going to happen. And these guys are pushing 70. The window is closed.
  12. Yes, March '73 definitely finds the band at their hottest ever instrumentally. Bonham especially did things that month that he never did before or after. Just listen to Dazed & Confused from each of the German shows and see Page vs Bonham at its peak. The starts and stops, call and response games, and general jamming were something to behold. They were on fire.
  13. Yes, the 1/15/73 Stoke show is great...sweet soundboard and Bonham destroys it.
  14. Agreed, he was on fire in March in the German shows. During Dazed & Confused in Hamburg and Vienna, he threw in rolls and stops and starts that he never did before or after. Just sick.
  15. I really like the New York '75 renditions from 2/12/75 and 2/14/75, respectively.
  16. True, he played well on the '98 tour and played well on the Black Crowes tour. But it's all relative. He played well, but still not like in the early 70's. Those days were/are gone.
  17. While it's true Jimmy's guitar tone changed over time, I think it's too simplistic to say that he was "always sloppy", and it's simply a matter of his tone either masking or amplifying the mistakes. I think his tone was best in 72/73, his guitar really had a hot, distorted snarl. In '75 it had more of a jangly quality. Listen to 'Rock n Roll' from The Song Remains the Same, then listen to any soundboard from '75 and you'll see what I mean. So yes, his tone was a bit of a factor. But Jimmy clearly lost a step after '75 when it came to technique, speed, and fluidity. His fingers were fast and furious in '73. The best barometer of his playing was always Dazed & Confused and the "oldies" section of Whole Lotta Love. In '73 his fingers flew on the fretboard. He had more trouble in '75 with the speed, and began to make more mistakes. They dropped Dazed entirely in '77, which may or may not have had to do with his ability to play it. I personally think he could not have in '77...at least not very well. His mild sloppiness went to another level by '77 because of drugs. Simple as that. He was taking more drugs, and his playing suffered. It's interesting, as big of a fan as I am of Jimmy's and Zeppelin's, I can honestly say I've never seen another guitarist decline the way Jimmy did/has. When you look at guys like Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Billy Gibbons, David Gilmour...they all play as well now as they did 30-40 years ago. Granted, their style was never about speed like Jimmy's was. But the fact is, when I watch Song Remains the Same, I sigh and think "that was the last time Jimmy ever played that well. And he could never play that well now." Back then drugs were the reason. Now, I don't know, maybe it's age or arthritis, but he simply can't move his fingers around the fretboard anywhere close to as well as he used to.
  18. Tigers are pretty much done, but Miguel Cabrera is a serious MVP candidate. 2 HR's and 6 RBI's tonight?! .333 avg, 40 HR's, 129 RBI's. He's right there for a shot at the triple crown. As far as making the playoffs...yesterday was their do or die game for the season, it was all on the line and they blew it. Down 2 games to the ChiSox in their final head-to-head matchup. Win and they're 1 back, lose and they're 3 back. They lost. With only 16 games left, to outright win the division they'd need to go 12-4 while Chicago goes 8-8. Don't see that happening. They both won tonight, for instance. So still 3 out with 15 now remaining. I just don't see Chicago fading like that in these last few games, even if the Tigers do rattle off a bunch of wins. Sorry Tigers, you were just too inconsistent, played poor defense, and were too poorly managed to get it done.
  19. Yep, he seemed like a good guy. Which makes it all the more perplexing that he was engaged to the worst and most obnoxious reality show contestant ever! http://realitytv.about.com/b/2005/08/10/omorosa-voted-the-most-hated-reality-star-of-all-time.htm
  20. My first boot was January 15, 1973...Trentham Gardens, Stoke, UK. I was in high school and was really discovering Zeppelin at that point. I bought all their tapes one summer and ravenously sought out anything by them I could find. This was pre-internet, so information was hard to come by. There was a used CD store that had some Zeppelin boots. I was interested, but they were too expensive for a high schooler. The owner of the shop offered to dub one of the CD's onto a tape for me for $10. It wasn't the whole show, only as much as could fit on a 60 minute tape. But it was enough to get me hooked. It just so happened that Stoke is a great show, and a soundboard, so it was a great intro.
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