Just watched it. . . Yeesh^2!!!

Just shows how exceptional Obama is. Hell I opposed the war from the day the idea was floated and never bought the evidence, so I guess *I* should be his running mate. Also Obama was a state senator at the time. He had much less at stake. Also it is a fact that some Senators had access to 'intelligence' other people did not, which of course may also have been faked. Ugly idea, but I imagine if Obama had been in the Senate then, he probably would have voted for the war, too. Look I'm not in love with Biden. Wasn't keen when the choice was made. I hope he doesn't have a harmful effect on Obama's chances. But I'm not in love with Obama either in the sense that I pretty much feel that all politicians are eventually going to let you down. In one sense, it's the nature of politics. Frankly we've set up a system where you more or less have to bullshit people and scratch backs to get anything done. Most of the time, I will admit, I am voting for the lesser of two evils. Sad, but true. But I still vote! I have hope that Obama might be different, but I'm no hero worshipper. But I feel to my bones that McCain will be more of the same. Mavericks don't vote with the guy they're supposed to be 'mavericking' 90% of the time. And Palin frankly scares the hell out of me. Well you could argue big mistakes I suppose until the end of time. But this one hasn't played out yet. Let me say 'one of the biggest mistakes'. And obviously if you think the war is a good thing you're not going to agree it's any kind of mistake. Well time will tell. Wish I had your optimism. But as I said, I think we could have ousted Saddam and put in a friendlier government without all this cost. It's easy to sit back and say it was a good thing if you weren't personally involved. And I apologize for rambling, this is kind of off-topic. Back on topic, I will watch the debates. I find them interesting and lets face it it's the best chance you get (such as it is) to see the candidates in action. If Palin can do no better than she did with Kitty Kat Couric, she's doomed. If it is some kind of plan to make folk's underestimate her, it's probably unprecedented in presidential history. But she does have the Republican misplaced sense of superiority going for her, so she'll probably do fine. I think Biden should win but he has to walk a fine line. Beat her with the facts calmly.

Biden wasn't 'fooled' because he was dumb, he was lied to outright with fake "intelligence" from the CIA, the gravitas of Colin Powell (who flushed his credibility down the toilet and hasn't been heard from since), and stone-cold lies from the neocons. Bush also callously used the nation's anxiety over 9/11 to start a war just so he could avenge daddy, even though it's now clear it had nothing to do with Iraq. That's just plain low. But hey, his buddies came out ok winning contracts to rebuild the country we destroyed. Then not only do the start the war in this disgusting fashion, but then proceed to eff it up every step of the way. That's Biden's fault, too, huh? At the time we foolishly started that war, sanctions were working, Saddam was all but paralyzed, the inspectors were finding no evidence of banned weapons (which is why they had to go--and fast!) I don't doubt that if a different tack were taken he would still be gone from power today, but it wouldn't have cost us 4000 American lives, Jebus knows how many Iraqi lives, and 100s of billions of dollars. Our credibility is shot to hell world-wide. Afghanistan still festers while we are distracted in Iraq. Bin Laden is still on the loose. I could go on and on and on... Possibly the biggest mistake this country ever made. And Bush is surely the worst president in modern history. And for all his maverick-speak McCain is just like him.

I'm listening to Trampled Underfoot right now. It is definitely the 02 show. But it's not professionally recorded. Sounds good, though. Better than the one versio of the show I torrented (not sure if it's Slowburn's or not.) I'm going to try to tape the full show tomorrow. They will no doubt split it up with talking and commercials though.

I'm really looking forward to I'm Not There... True love can make a blade of grass Stand up straight and tall In harmony with the cosmic sea True love needs no company

That's pretty ridiculous. Why can't he form a band with a different name?!?

Just Like Tom Thumb Blues And I hope that you die And your death will come soon I'll follow your casket In the pale afternoon I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your death bed And I'll stand over your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead

Changing of the Guards The flowers of the city Though breath-like Get death-like sometimes And there's no use in tryin' To deal with the dyin' Though I cannot explain that in lines

I think it's the jester who stole His thorny crown... Just fits, is all...

Robert Plant not talking? I've never heard of such a thing!

Well I don't agree with that, either. Ain't I a pain in the ass? I don't see why he can't sing Zep songs if he wants. He does have a way of putting his own 'solo' spin on them.

That implies that fans of his solo work are only biding their time until he gets back with Zeppelin. Bull. Many Zep fans are Plant fans that love his solo work in its own right. And this may not be so well known, but he has a lot of fans that are not Zep fans. A lot. Go to a show and talk to folks and you'll see. And doing stuff like Raising Sand adds to that.

I can understand the arguments both ways but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Me saying it's not Led Zeppelin to me is just my own opinion and shouldn't a) piss you off or affect you in any other way if you feel differently. This is supposed to be a discussion board. So allow us to discuss our opinions. If it doesn't agree with yours so be it. It's not like we're required to come up with a single answer. It's entirely up to them how to use the name, of course, but I'm entitled to decide how I feel about it, too. I'm not going to stop liking them or not go if they tour, etc. I didn't care for them using the music in commercials either, but it didn't really diminish my liking of them in any way.

I agree 100%. I wish they were not using the name so freely. Their right, I guess. Just my personal feelings.